Nightbringer
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Now that the console talk forum in B3D is dead we could talk here how the NRev GPU could be.
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Discuss de possibilities.
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Discuss de possibilities.
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ATI Hollywood for Revolution. Discuss.
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I have no idea.. but it must have something to do with the revolutionary features of the console. Why else would they need to spend so much money (reportedly the same as MS) for something that may be in a system so cpu bottlenecked (assuming)?
I think featureset will be the key with this gpu. I fully expect it to hold it's own in that regard.
I think featureset will be the key with this gpu. I fully expect it to hold it's own in that regard.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
My theory is that i was eveerything to do with wireless. That there is so much complexity to the controller-interface, and its input/output wireless signaling, that they've had to hardcode the input/output drivers into the CPU/GPU combo.
Alternatively, that they've had to do mulitiple chips dedicated to differant aspects of the control.
Alternatively, that they've had to do mulitiple chips dedicated to differant aspects of the control.
xexex said:
Too bad that the quote was proven false...
Anyway, consider the name people, Hollywood. Hollywood is all about special effects, I think the chip is going to be loaded with features that are built in to cut down on CPU consumption, sort of like how Flipper was designed to take advantage of CelShading.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
I goit that hunch from reading this from the Broadcom press-release...
"Nintendo's next generation console (codenamed "Revolution") will feature an advanced wireless platform that integrates multiple technologies to enable a new and exciting gaming experience"
Perhaps Nintendo and its tech-partners set a goal to deidicate everything and anything in the hardware to enhancing the interface.... whatever that is.
"Nintendo's next generation console (codenamed "Revolution") will feature an advanced wireless platform that integrates multiple technologies to enable a new and exciting gaming experience"
Perhaps Nintendo and its tech-partners set a goal to deidicate everything and anything in the hardware to enhancing the interface.... whatever that is.
Drinky Crow
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It'll be keyed for the real-time imput of external light and motion data for more context-accurate hologram rendering
oops did that slip out
oops did that slip out
Shogmaster
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Pimpwerx said:
Agreed, but it's so damn fun to do wanton speculatin'!
My Revolution specs:
- Single MPC7457 Freescale/Motorola G4 @1Ghz (Oh no he didn't!).
- 90nm version of Flipper clocked @ 333Mhz with 6MB eDRAM and 2X Vertec and Pixel Shaders.
- 48MB of 1T SRAM + 128MB of PC2700.
- 8X DVD/GOD-ROM drive
- $199
Speculated around "fanless" operations, extremely small form factor, backwards compatability, "2~3X power of GC" comment from Nintendo, and low price.
Nightbringer
Don´t hit me for my bad english plase
With the specs of Shogmaster you can sell a console for 60$.
You have to remember that the Flipper has 51 milion transistors and is probably that Hollywood could have 200 milions transistors.
You have to remember that the Flipper has 51 milion transistors and is probably that Hollywood could have 200 milions transistors.
Shogmaster
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littlewig said:
Kaplan said it IIRC, and the subsequent debunking was less than substantial AFAIK.
CompositeMolar
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Why name it "Hollywood" ?
Shogmaster
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Nightbringer said:
The "Revolution" is how they will actually make mad profits on selling the console hardware right off the bat! :lol
Seriosuly though, all that stuff will still cost well over $150 to manufacture.
200M is a lot for a GPU headed into a console so damn small. I think to cool it properly without a whiny superfast fan, I think we should look at 100Mish with lower clockspeed.
Nightbringer
Don´t hit me for my bad english plase
Nintendo could sell a console with one microprocessor, a Gekko+Flipper embedded in one but running at 1Ghz and sell it for 60 bucks. But this is not my idea of Revolution.
My idea of Revolution is that the CPU is the PowerPC core that PS3 and 360 uses as a main CPU with an ATI Mobile GPU (ATI R520 Mobile).
JoshuaJSlone
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Not wanting to take her word for it, though, is a very different thing than the quote being totally false.Mejilan said:
Shogmaster
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Yann said:
You never been to Hollywood, have you? It's a real ghetto. :lol
Nightbringer
Don´t hit me for my bad english plase
I believe that you are wrong.
If we can put 51 milions of transistors in 180nm we can put 4 times more in the same die with 90nm process.
JoshuaJSlone said:
I never claimed it was false, I only question its reliability. If we couldn't trust the official tech specs for E3, presumably straight from NCL, why should I trust the comments of an NoA (marketing, was it?) employee known for her "Jedi vagueness"?
AltogetherAndrews
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Cooling seems to be something that people often "overlook" when spouting the typical "size doesn't matter" line of crap. If you honestly believe that Nintendo can safely pack the power of a PS3 or an X360 in such a small casing within a year of the launch of the other consoles, using the same technology partners no less, you're delusional. Liquid cooling goes directly against the durability and all purpose mentality of Nintendo hardware, so I assume that's out. Don't expect any miracles; size does matter.
Just to be clear, this isn't directed towards anyone in this specific thread; I've just had it with the "size doesn't matter, look at Gamecube" crap.
Just to be clear, this isn't directed towards anyone in this specific thread; I've just had it with the "size doesn't matter, look at Gamecube" crap.
Shogmaster
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Nightbringer said:
True, but have you not noticed that there's even less physical volume to Rev than the GC? And alot thinner profile to boot. I'm not comfortable with the idea of 200M tranny GPU in the Rev with that small of space to cool things properly, especially when the clockspeed of the chips are much faster.
captmcblack
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The power supply being external (like it is in every Nintendo console) would do good things for cooling, right?
Nightbringer
Don´t hit me for my bad english plase
I am not talking about Revolution equal in power to 360 and PS3, is imposible with the box that they will use for the console.
But I believe that you can put something more better than all the examples that you are giving. Remember that ATI can create a low consumption X800 for notebooks and the X800 is more complex than the Flipper and you are talking about Vitamined Flippers with overclocked Gekkos.
Nintendo hasn´t paid 500 milions of dollars for an overclocked Flipper.
But I believe that you can put something more better than all the examples that you are giving. Remember that ATI can create a low consumption X800 for notebooks and the X800 is more complex than the Flipper and you are talking about Vitamined Flippers with overclocked Gekkos.
Nintendo hasn´t paid 500 milions of dollars for an overclocked Flipper.
Shogmaster
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captmcblack said:
No, that's an absolute necessity for cooling something so small. I'd imagine cooling the Rev is like cooling a slimmer Mac Mini minus the laptop HDD.
Nightbringer said:
The rev's overall internal volume looks smaller than any laptop with X800 or 6800 mobile chips that I know of. And those laptops have whiny fans.
Mejilan said:Hee hee. You said 'tranny'.
It's one of my favorite words! Tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny!
AltogetherAndrews said:
Nintendo already has a patent out for a liquid cooling technology they developed with Innovatek and has all been rumored to be the kind of cooling system used in Revolution. I don't understand why people think MS and Sony are superior to Nintendo in technology.
http://www.cubed3.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=12014&forum=6
Shogmaster
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littlewig said:
Most effective "liquid cooling" rigs require more space, not less.
Not only that, Nintendo has stated that the actual final Rev will be even smaller than the protype they've shown at E3! And the prototype is only 3 DVD cases thick!!!
God's Hand
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Sounds like bullshit to me. There's no proof of it.
Shogmaster
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You know what guys? I had totally forgotten that IBM is doing "Broadway". I'm gonna revise my specs:
My revised Revolution specs:
- 90nm version of Gekko @ 1Ghz with 128KB L1 cache/512KB L2 cache
- 90nm version of Flipper clocked @ 333Mhz with 6MB eDRAM and 2X Vertec and Pixel Shaders.
- 72MB of 1T SRAM + 128MB of PC2700.
- 8X DVD/GOD-ROM drive
- $199
Speculated around "fanless" operations, extremely small form factor, backwards compatability, "2~3X power of GC" comment from Nintendo, and low price.
Keep in mind that these specs allow Rev to be 4~5X the power of GC, not 2~3X, due to increased clockspeed of the chips, as well as additional shaders and cache on the GPU.
My revised Revolution specs:
- 90nm version of Gekko @ 1Ghz with 128KB L1 cache/512KB L2 cache
- 90nm version of Flipper clocked @ 333Mhz with 6MB eDRAM and 2X Vertec and Pixel Shaders.
- 72MB of 1T SRAM + 128MB of PC2700.
- 8X DVD/GOD-ROM drive
- $199
Speculated around "fanless" operations, extremely small form factor, backwards compatability, "2~3X power of GC" comment from Nintendo, and low price.
Keep in mind that these specs allow Rev to be 4~5X the power of GC, not 2~3X, due to increased clockspeed of the chips, as well as additional shaders and cache on the GPU.
The Bookerman
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If you look at the game cube hardware itself... it's pretty small too.
Two 1.8 ghz G5's?
Doubt they'd go so low with a processor.
Somethin more custom and might be based on the power PC 970 MP, which is essentially IBM's dual Core powerPC.
Two 1.8 ghz G5's?
Doubt they'd go so low with a processor.
Somethin more custom and might be based on the power PC 970 MP, which is essentially IBM's dual Core powerPC.
http://www.apple.com/powermac/design.html
This is the cooling system Revolution will use, I don't get where the guy gets off by saying you'd need more room to have an effective liquid cooling system, he must be thinking of a heatpipe. :lol :lol
I believe Xbox360 is using a heatpipe for cooling, which is why it's huge.
This is the cooling system Revolution will use, I don't get where the guy gets off by saying you'd need more room to have an effective liquid cooling system, he must be thinking of a heatpipe. :lol :lol
I believe Xbox360 is using a heatpipe for cooling, which is why it's huge.
Shogmaster
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The Bookerman said:
Keep in mind Apple is switching to Intel Pentium Ms for laptops next June because IBM was unable to shrink the heat output of the G5 for laptop use. No way in hell we are getting PPC970 in the Rev, let alone a dual core version.
If far more likely to have single or dual core PPE used in XeCPU or Cell for the CPU at lower clockspeeds than PPC970 anything.
littlewig said:
Hey Junior duder, that thing is almost the size of the Rev prototype itself! :lol
AltogetherAndrews
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Shogmaster said:
Seriously.
JoshuaJSlone
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No, that's littlewig.Mejilan said:
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