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Aurora Theater Shooter Offers To Plead Guilty To Avoid Death Penalty
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I agree. He should be kept in solitary confinement in a cell never to interact with another inmate for the rest of his natural life.
Not directly, no. Court documents and bits and pieces paint a very vague picture. I'm going to post some links and then some quotes.
http://www.9news.com/rss/article/296300/42/Hints-of-motive-detailed-in-new-Holmes-docs
http://www.businessinsider.com/james-holmes-possible-motive-2012-8
So basically, the gist of what we have is that:
- Holmes was already fairly mentally disturbed even before his luck ran out at his university.
- He had thoughts in his head about murdering people.
- After essentially failing out of his career path, he decided it was time to put these thoughts into action.
0%. The best possible outcome he can possibly hope for at this point is life in a mental ward instead of a prison.
This man does not strike me as mentally stable by any stretch of the imagination. He obviously knew what he was doing at the time of the shooting, but we also know these thoughts were in his head for some time before he acted on them. Because he didn't act on these thoughts very quickly, I can only assume he had an internal struggle over them, and very well may have continued to do so afterward.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I am one of the most vocal anti-death penalty posters on this board, but man...if there ever was an exception...no possibility of mistaken guilt, going to drain on taxes for the rest of his life...I dunno man
EDIT: Just read the rest of the thread. I'm very conflicted on this one
EDIT: Just read the rest of the thread. I'm very conflicted on this one
Set free into a bottomless pit? Sure.
Death Penalty is worth it bro. It should be reserved for like "NO WAY THIS DUDE ISN'T GUILTY WE HAVE HIM ON FUCKING CAMERA AND 50 WITNESSES" type cases though.
Switch Back 9
a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
After reading that essay by the dude who spent 25 years in solitary, I'm of the opinion it is a far harsher punishment.
What i hate about "prison justice" (which also includes prison rape) is:
1) Some convicted piece of shit gets to act righteous without any merit; the fact that someone is willing to shiv or rape another person so easily, also means he/she probably isn't in for smoking pot, so again, someone in no position to take the higher ground.
2) We'd let these people apply an ulterior form of "judgment", without any real control over it.
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Whatever other form of punishment fits a crime, has to be discussed by the people outside of prison, and applied equally.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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why are you embarrassed to be a highlander lol.
Link?
Deadly Joker
Member
This sounds like the most logical punishment.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
If it costs less, sure. As long as he's well and truly removed from the population. I don't want him punished necessarily, I just want him gone.
Well, correct me if i'm wrong, but people in the death row do not get executed the week after, usually it can take even 10 years, in which they're kept in a pretty isolated position (at least, this is how it was in Herzog's documentary).
Anyway, 25 years in a little empty room, has to be worse than dying and get it over with, not difficult to believe.
Killing them is more humane in the American system. Its not like we provide furnished apartments for inmates of any class.
Kinda hard to feel compassion for an asshole, pardon the pun.
This is the same dude that was covered head to toe to prevent anyone from having an advantage while he killed and hurt multiple people.
Uh not really. He obviously has some value associated with his life. I say inject him and get it over with.
There wasn't an ounce of compassion in my post. I'm simply saying I can't wrap my head around why he doesn't want death over life sentences in prison given his reputation.
I know. Just adding to your post.
People don't want him to get "prison life" but it's a highly expected outcome.
Well to each is own, if they asked me if i wanted to do 25 years in a little room or get an injection right away, i feel like i'd choose the second option.
Even because once you're out, what the hell do you do? Can you imagine getting in jail at say 24 in 1988, and coming out at 49 today, having spent all that time in a 2 by 3 meters room? I don't know, the whole prison system is a weird thing.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Less than a week in solitary confinement has been known to break a person.
Forsaken82
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Isn't suicide often considered the more cowardly way out?
Yeah, I'd think choosing suicide over facing the consequences of your actions is more cowardly.
I am conflicted.
I have this feeling like this guy is trying to spare his own life, and that makes me angry because he showed no such mercy to his victims.
Switch Back 9
a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
I'm on my phone right now, I'll post it when I get home. It's pretty brutal stuff, the death penalty is a far more enticing choice according to the author.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
He's batshit. There is no motive for shooting up a movie theater
ComputerMKII
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He could have had political or religious reasons. He doesn't even look as bitter and depressed as Cho Seung-Hui...
I think most spree killers are fairly normal. Hell many serial killers probably look and act fairly normal. I dont think its weird.
Is he really? Insane I mean. People like to label murders as insane to make themselves feel better.
Skiptastic
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Should have accepted the deal. Save the taxpayers money, he's never getting out, let him live out his days behind bars.
legacyzero
Banned
Fucking winner first post.Lock him in a room with Bale.
Good point.
DrForester
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I'm actually kind of proud of Colroado in how the Death Penalty is used so rarely here, and there is zero doubt of the guilt of the people on death row.
NaughtyCalibur
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Not that I disagree, but isn't this what everyone says about the mass murderers who did off themselves before manning up to face the consequences of their crimes and a future of daily prison beatings and rapes?
Most mass murderers go in with the intention to kill themselves because realistically there is no going back.
Maybe he got cold feet.
Maybe he figured he would be locked up in isolation.
NaughtyCalibur
Member
Perhaps so. Either way I can't help but be a bit pleased that he punked out in that regard. This is the first mass murderer in a while who we're able to study. Not sure if we'll ever glean anything of value from him but with mass murders becoming more prevelant and 'why' being the #1 question on people's mind it couldn't hurt.
Choke on the Magic
Banned
I have no doubt that this guy will get the dp. I hope they can expedite all of his appeals as well.
I'm actually for the death penalty in some cases but I feel like the solitary madness he'll experience is the closest thing to equity here.
Not condoning Hammurabi-level tactics, but I feel like it would be the lowest form of mercy and the best form of justice.
Dude Abides
Banned
Considering how many spree killers end up dead I'd favor keeping him alive to see what insights can be gained into mass murderer psychology.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
There's what you're told and what is truth. Prison, in America, is punishment. Most people who are released continue to commit crimes. Many are not ready for life outside prison after being so used to prison life. Much of the things that go in prisons only make the convicts worse.
I understand it is different in certain parts of Europe. For instance, I heard Germany actually does try and rehabilitate convicts and prepare them for life outside prison. Dunno if that's true but it's definitely not true in States.
Alligatorjandro
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I have no sympathy for murderers and hope this guy suffers the rest of his life.
lazybones18
Banned
He's changing his plea to not guilty by reason of insanity
http://news.yahoo.com/colorado-shootings-suspect-enter-insanity-plea-211825401.html
http://news.yahoo.com/colorado-shootings-suspect-enter-insanity-plea-211825401.html
spookyfish
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Good luck proving he didn't know the difference between right and wrong at the time ...
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