This would be funny if it wasn't so damn depressing
Is there a link to the interview of this?
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Australia sends refugees back to country where they were already tortured.
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Is there a link to the interview of this?
Yes. They had fled to India initially but India was threatening to send them back to Sri Lanka.
Sutton Dagger
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I'm not sure we can really blame this one on apathy,there seems to be a nasty undercurrent of racism that's easy to stir up in Australia.
Kenshin001
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Where did you read this?
DICKS AHOY
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Living in Sydney I've honestly never met anybody who didn't see the whole "boat people" thing as fear-mongering bullshit and I feel where I live is incredibly multicultural, but at the same time there has to be a bigger divide in mentality between the more metropolitan areas and the country side than what's immediately noticeable since I can't otherwise see why both Labor and Liberal kept playing up the issue.
I remember hearing from a friend doing a global studies degree that apparently we're vastly below most other 1st/2nd world countries in terms of how many immigrants we take on yearly. Not to mention the whole focuses on 'boats' is also dumb when most immigrants come via planes and those coming from boats are far more likely to be coming from war-torn countries following UN standards we're not supposed to be able to immediately turn away like this. I hope next elections the only focus isn't just on how badly the Liberals fucked up the budget.
Messofanego
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This is sad to hear, also how Australia is declining.
Those bemoaning that this issue has "become" politicised are being somewhat naive. Every country has an immigration policy. The LNP were voted in at the end of last year very clearly stating that they would "stop the boats". Labor and the Greens claimed it couldn't be done but that is exactly what the LNP have done.
You may disagree with the policy or with how it has been done, but it was an election issue and they delivered on it.
It would be be helpful if immigration issues could be debated without cries of racist flying around. "Australia is a racist country" is just a ridiculous generalisation that doesn't contribute in any way. Debate about integration, economics, infrastructure, can any county really just have a policy that they will take in anyone from anywhere anytime?
When people arrive at a country by air they are able to proceed into that country only if they have a valid passport and if necessary, visa. If you do not you will be returned immediately. Yes of course people outstay their visas for whatever reason. If the authorities catch up with you then you will be arrested.
The unfortunate people who have been duped into paying thousands of dollars to get on a leaky boat that has a good chance of sinking on the voyage are told to throw away their passports on the way. The unscrupulous bastards who play on the hopes and fears of people who want to better their lives and end up putting their families lives at risk are the true criminals in all this.
You may disagree with the policy or with how it has been done, but it was an election issue and they delivered on it.
It would be be helpful if immigration issues could be debated without cries of racist flying around. "Australia is a racist country" is just a ridiculous generalisation that doesn't contribute in any way. Debate about integration, economics, infrastructure, can any county really just have a policy that they will take in anyone from anywhere anytime?
When people arrive at a country by air they are able to proceed into that country only if they have a valid passport and if necessary, visa. If you do not you will be returned immediately. Yes of course people outstay their visas for whatever reason. If the authorities catch up with you then you will be arrested.
The unfortunate people who have been duped into paying thousands of dollars to get on a leaky boat that has a good chance of sinking on the voyage are told to throw away their passports on the way. The unscrupulous bastards who play on the hopes and fears of people who want to better their lives and end up putting their families lives at risk are the true criminals in all this.
So it's not just Australia. Between India and Australia, there's also Bangladesh, Myanmar, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, and Indonesia. Did they try any of those places before going to Australia, or did all of those countries also reject them? If everyone's rejecting them, then what's so specifically horrible that Australia has done the same?
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Indonesia doesn't accept refugees, most of the rest of the countries you listed have no resources. You are suggesting people go to each country in turn, cap in hand, and then go to the next one?
Just because the other countries can't or don't help doesn't excuse Australia handing them back to where they are fleeing from without a proper assessment. They asked 4 or 5 questions and then sent them back. Even if you think there is no obligation for Australia to accept them, surely you must agree there is an obligation to assess their claims?
It is not about immigration, that is separate to processing asylum seekers. The UN Convention that Australia has signed commits them to assessing claims for asylum and determining refugee status.
It would be helpful if you understood what you were talking about.
Kenshin001
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Can you post a source for this? I'm wondering where you got the information as other reports state otherwise. I haven't read one story where India was threatening to send them back to Sri Lanka, in fact Indian authorities have been lobbying to grant them citizenship.
One of the Tamil refugee advocates was saying that he was concerned about the refugees leaving India as they were giving up everything they had built up.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...-for-a-year-20140703-zsv9n.html#ixzz36YVQlNgB
PairOfFilthySocks
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Tony Abbott is a complete lunatic.
Laughing Banana
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So what's the majority opinion of the Australian public regarding this matter? Because surely this is not something that both parties there would endorse if they don't have a strong public opinion backing them up?
Or is it they just don't care in general?
Or is it they just don't care in general?
IncandescentPrecept
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You cannot just compare the numbers - does Australia have the infrastructure to support that many refugees?
Honestly, most people don't care. People care more about their mortgage, jobs, etc.
We have a huge landmass but we don't have the infrastructure for our current population. Everyone is concentrated in two incredibly large and bloated cities...we should have a regional asylum seeker policy. Dump them all in the smaller towns so they grow. Pity it would be unconstitutional.
How do we know this when there has been no assessment made about their claims?
A lot of people believe that the majority of people who arrive by boat aren't genuine refugees or are queue jumping. Personally, I don't know if it's true or not, but we should have a better way of processing them. We do have a substantial refugee population; going from THIS if you look at the "Natives per Refugee" column, we're "better" than a lot of countries, including some other western cultures, but nowhere near as good as some others. We can and should take more.
I'd also suggest that passion is greater amongst the antis than it is amongst the advocates. It's the same with gay marriage - the majority of voters polled support gay marriage, but aren't willing to prioritise it above more selfish concerns, where as the people against it are willing to prioritise it when it comes to an election.
You're forgetting those four questions. Assessment distilled into it's purest form.
UPDATE: The smaller load of 41 people has been returned to Sri Lanka where they have been arrested for migration offences. After the minister confirmed the return of the smaller boatload but remained quiet about the larger the High Court granted an emergency injunction to stop the return of the larger.
No word yet on whether he's decided to ignore it yet, nor on how this suddenly became a significant event at sea when none of the details changed.
No word yet on whether he's decided to ignore it yet, nor on how this suddenly became a significant event at sea when none of the details changed.
CrazedProfessional
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The bipartisanship on this is due to the fact that there are a shitload of seats surrounding Sydney which usually deliver government.
speculawyer
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killer rin
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I wonder how it worka when a country denies the entrance in cases like this. Is the boat just turned around while being told to go back where they came from, or are they escorted back. Because if its the former, what stops them from trying a different country like say New Zealand.
I would agree with this and even go as far as to say that some form of mandatory detention is vital.
But this is just... savage. The worst part is I actually think Scott Morison will become Prime Minister one day.
Holy shit he actually seems dumber than Bush.
You should be more worried about stingrays, bro
What a idiot my god.
At least he's capable of far less damage than Bush..
A lot of our culture has come from letting outsiders (eg WW2 refugees) in though...
Who's culture? There are a couple of hundred indigenous cultures who are still asking the same question.
Oh my god..... This is sarcasm right?
Vincent Alexander
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I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I agree. This guy's stupidity is actually mesmerizing.
Obligatory.
Well that culture has actually been destroyed by letting outsiders in.
It's actually a couple of hundred different cultures. And many of them have done hard work to preserve what they can.
speculawyer
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Obligatory.
Perfect.
Immigration needs to be controlled . . . but people also need to have a good perspective on this issue.
You want to see a scary video on "migrant boat" people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP6dfMfsIlg&list=UUfzmIS-i4XmyuJ8RqpPxbMw
Warning the title is "Third World migrant boats should be sunk", it will make you sick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP6dfMfsIlg&list=UUfzmIS-i4XmyuJ8RqpPxbMw
Warning the title is "Third World migrant boats should be sunk", it will make you sick.
roosters93
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Twitter feed of Fairfax South East Asia correspondent Jason Koutsoukis who is in Sri Lanka and covered the returned asylum seekers court appearance.
What I found especially remarkable:
What I found especially remarkable:
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