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[Days like these...]

Blame it on the 'rona. It sucks that Cameron and his acolytes will have a scapegoat when the sequels bomb.
https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/james-cameron-avatar-pandemic.html

 

[ManaByte]

Blame it on the 'rona. It's sucks that Cameron and his acolytes will have a scapegoat when the sequels bomb.
https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/james-cameron-avatar-pandemic.html

“The big issue is: Are we going to make any damn money?” Cameron muses. “Big, expensive films have got to make a lot of money. We’re in a new world post-COVID, post-streaming. Maybe those [box office] numbers will never be seen again. Who knows? It’s all a big roll of the dice.”

That applies to every movie. Don't see why it's preemptive Avatar damage control. No movie is making pre-COVID money anymore.

 

[Days like these...]

People were saying it was going to bomb before COVID but now blame can be placed squarely on the pandemic and not lack of interest

 

[ManaByte]

People were saying it was going to bomb before COVID but now blame can be placed squarely on the pandemic and not lack of interest

Seems more like COVID is helping people with their self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

[Scotty W]

I believe in JC.

 

[Stop Motion Pornography]

I think people aren't interested because you're taking twenty years to bludgeon us with four more of these fucking movies, James. Maybe take all of that time and effort and work out an actually compelling script for *one* solid sequel.

 

[Genti23]

The story and characters weren't enough to excite viewers and make them desperate to see a further instalment in the series. I'm sure people will turn up but a lot of other people will stay away if the reviews say the storyline, characters and dialogue are as weak as the first movie.

 

[Kraz]

People were saying it was going to bomb before COVID but now blame can be placed squarely on the pandemic and not lack of interest

So people should feel bad for wannabe prognosticators?

Oh no their grift! What a shame.

 

[Days like these...]

The story and characters weren't enough to excite viewers and make them desperate to see a further instalment in the series. I'm sure people will turn up but a lot of other people will stay away if the reviews say the storyline, characters and dialogue are as weak as the first movie.

Agreed, unfortunately Cameron fans will blame the 'rona and not the film.

 

[Mr Hyde]

Why wouldn't he blame it on Corona? The virus has practically killed the cinemas. Streaming is in much more high demand than going to the theater. And people have been predicting Cameron's films to bomb as far back as Titanic. See how well that went.

 

[SirKicksalot]

The 2021 Chinese Avatar re-release makes it clear the sequel is going to earn tons of money.

 

[Javthusiast]

Avatar 2 will do fine.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Cameron doesn't miss. It'll do just fine.

 

[Enjay]

So people should feel bad for wannabe prognosticators?

Oh no their grift! What a shame.

Someone hinting they want a new word of the day calendar for christmas.

 

[hemo memo]

More than 10 years to make a sequel?

 

[12Goblins]

op not aware of the devasting effects that the pandemic has had on an already struggling movie business industry I guess

 

[Rentahamster]

He's not wrong.

 

[IDKFA]

Avatar 2 will do fine.

This.

James Cameron isn't a hack. He's one of the most talented film makers of all time. This is the man who's already created two of the best sequels in cinema history. Odds are on that Avatar 2 will be a resounding success.

 

[poppabk]

op not aware of the devasting effects that the pandemic has had on an already struggling movie business industry I guess

I think people are afraid that Covid is gonna negate their 'I told you so' card.
I don't think the Avatar movie really made the case for one sequel, nevermind the ridiculous number we might get, but people just need to accept that their bomba predictions can now only be 'inevitable due to Covid' or false.
PS I was so right about the Hobbit not being enough material for 3 movies, bow down before my prognostication powers!

 

[Cockles & Whelks]

I think I'll trust the words of the man that gave us ALIENS and Terminator.

 

[AJUMP23]

The first movie sucked.....so I would assume the sequels would to.

 

[bitbydeath]

Will be an interesting one to watch for sure. (Not the movie but the interest of others since the first did well off the back of 3D alone.)

 

[sinnergy]

Well everything changed since COVID, and Avatar movies (Cameron movies) are Cinema movies after all , so he has a point .

 

[Fbh]

He isn't necessarily wrong, if movie theaters continue dying/struggling and everything moves to streaming there might no longer be a place for these hyper expensive movies to make money. Even as big as Netflix/Amazon are, all their movies feel like direct to DVD stuff compared to even the original 12 year old avatar. (I mean in production values, it's not hard to have better writing).


Than again James had 10 fucking years of no Covid to release a sequel.

 

[Kraz]

Someone hinting they want a new word of the day calendar for christmas.

Multisyllabic words are indeed awesome, such as describing a provocative anti-intellectual strawmen fashioned from some injury too and to slight.

 

[Kilau]

Sometimes I feel like i'm the only one that enjoyed a movie that made over a billion at the box office.

 

[Pagusas]

Sometimes I feel like i'm the only one that enjoyed a movie that made over a billion at the box office.

I wouldn't be surprised, I feel like it was more of a new amusing carnival ride than something with actual substance and longevity

 

[NickFire]

I would argue that if these movies bomb at the box office, it has as much to do with how long it took to make them as Covid, and probably more.

I genuinely wonder if even 10% of all people who saw it remember more than "it had blue people and was in 3d." I know I don't.

 

[newtypepilot]

hey james, you can't really blame it on covid when you are taking over a decade to make Pocahontas 2

 

[EviLore]

He wanted to transform the theater experience with technological advancement as part of these releases. That's not going to be feasible while COVID hangs in the air and the market has shifted to streaming.

 

[Kilau]

I wouldn't be surprised, I feel like it was more of a new amusing carnival ride than something with actual substance and longevity

It was certainly more spectacle than anything but I like it. I didn't even see it in the theater.

 

[nush]

I wouldn't be surprised, I feel like it was more of a new amusing carnival ride than something with actual substance and longevity

Exactly. It never became a cultural touchstone quotes and memes are non existent.

 

[Days like these...]

Multisyllabic words are indeed awesome, such as describing a provocative anti-intellectual strawmen fashioned from some injury too and to slight.

Despite your verbal diarrhea you have an easy scapegoat for when it underperforms.

 

[Aggelos]

Probably they won't make the financial impact that Avatar 1 originally made. But they're gonna be some pretty great visual spectacle. Now, what will happen after Avatar 2 and 3, that's anyone's guess.
The films cost ginormous amounts of dough to make, so with the COVID pandemic going on, probably they won't see the day of light.

 

[Spaceman292]

Blame it on the 'rona. It sucks that Cameron and his acolytes will have a scapegoat when the sequels bomb.
https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/james-cameron-avatar-pandemic.html

He literally had all the time and money in the world to make them good. If he fucks up then there's nothing to blame it on.

 

[Kittehkraken]

Go watch the Making of The Abyss if you want to know why its taking so long.

 

[thefool]

I'll watch it Jimbo. I got to the movies like every other week. Haven't spotted this corona guy yet.

 

[BossLackey]

I think people aren't interested because you're taking twenty years to bludgeon us with four more of these fucking movies, James. Maybe take all of that time and effort and work out an actually compelling script for *one* solid sequel.

This is what I don't understand about his approach. Just make a good sequel instead of spreading yourself thin and worrying about movies that might not even happen.

 

[Umbasaborne]

This sequel feels about…12 years too late…wtf took so long?

 

[PuppetMaster]

I trust Cameron. He is an actual genius. Not some Hollywood hack. People betting his movie will bomb are being silly.

At the very worst, it will still be better that your average popcorn flick.

 

[T8SC]

The problem here, is people basically wishing hate on these sequels and in doing so, failing to see the larger picture.

Movies are not making much money these days, the Avatar sequels will most likely also succumb to that. But remember this, the less money movies make, the less expensive blockbusters we'll receive. So hate away, we'll look back at this in 5 years when you're sick of the each cheap ass Netflix series and Cameron (and others) has retired with his millions because he's not interested in making mass produced shite.

 

[Days like these...]

The problem here, is people basically wishing hate on these sequels and in doing so, failing to see the larger picture.

Movies are not making much money these days, the Avatar sequels will most likely also succumb to that. But remember this, the less money movies make, the less expensive blockbusters we'll receive. So hate away, we'll look back at this in 5 years when you're sick of the each cheap ass Netflix series and Cameron (and others) has retired with his millions because he's not interested in making mass produced shite.

Should we hope all films succeed for the sake of saving cinema or just his? I'll never understand this sentiment of "Ooh Cameron's films make a trillion dollars let me rub one out!"

 

[T8SC]

Should we hope all films succeed for the sake of saving cinema or just his? I'll never understand this sentiment of "Ooh Cameron's films make a trillion dollars let me rub one out!"

Did you actually read what I wrote?

 

[nush]

, the less expensive blockbusters we'll receive.

I'm OK with that if it brings back variety to the cinema and not more overbloated CGI themepark ride movies that we are getting.

 

[nush]

This is what I don't understand about his approach. Just make a good sequel instead of spreading yourself thin and worrying about movies that might not even happen.

He wants his own "Star wars".

 

[EverythingsOverrated]

The fact that the first movie was really built around being a theater experience gives credence to this, but even if COVID didn't happen I don't think any of the sequels would be as big as the first movie.

I'm sure I'll watch whatever sequels come out eventually, it just not something that excites me.

 

[T8SC]

I'm OK with that if it brings back variety to the cinema and not more overbloated CGI themepark ride movies that we are getting.

Totally agree. Expensive doesn't always mean CGI, I should've clarified. Good directors & actors generally cost more, as do the movie sets. Yes you can make a court room drama on a small budget but something like Saving Private Ryan, Interstellar or Lord of the Rings generally cost upwards of $100-150m (Not including marketing/promotions). If movies are only bringing in $250m then that budget will be cut and we could lose the variety on top of everything else.

 

[I_D]

The first movie had about as average of a plot as you can get.
It wasn't terrible by any means; but it certainly wasn't great by any means, either.


If you remember back to before Avatar 1, one of the movie's main drawing-points was the technology involved. It was supposed to revolutionize CGI, and bring in a new era of 3D movies. It was supposed to be as big of an upgrade as you can get, in terms of the movie theater experience.
Another huge selling-point was that it was from the director of Titanic and Terminator. The actual storyline of the movie was really not that involved, in terms of the marketing (and, I think, for good reason).


Now that we know the storyline is pretty boring, and the visuals aren't actually that crazy, and Cameron's cinematography skills aren't quite what they used to be... I'm not sure how the sequels will turn out.
I suspect the advertising and hype will cause Avatwo to do quite well. But I also suspect that, with the sequel, it will become apparent that this series isn't all that compelling. So, for the sequels beyond, we'll see....


The concept art they've released so far looks downright laughable.
The 'screencap'/'art' in the same page of this same thread looks even worse than laughable.


I do actually hope the series does well. I feel like Avatar has a lot of potential, if they actually go crazy with it and develop a whole, intricate plot-line.
I'm just, realistically-speaking, not sure if that's a feasible objective for this series. I don't know the the powers-that-be have the skills/time/effort/interest to actually make this something special.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

Will OG Avatar even stand up visually to the sequels by the time they finally come out? I forgot this series was even a goal. The first time I heard about multiple sequels, I think it was a RLM video, and I automatically thought it was a skit and they were just taking the piss out of Cameron. Much to my surprise...

 

[nush]

Are general audiences supposed to be excited by this,

When you now have this at home and real-time? ( I looked for an equivalent screenshot)

These sequels have taken so long to get made that the tech is outdated.