DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
The roster isn't nonsensical... As Marvel has said, there'll be surprises. And Doom is EVERYONE'S enemy, like he was in the 2016 run of Secret Wars. Even looking past that crossover, he was BP's enemy as well. He's just a narcissistic bad guy who thinks he deserves everything just because he's Doctor Doom and therefore is an enemy to everyone.
See, if that were really the case, then I'd expect to see villains as well. Where is Mads Michelson, pulled out of Dormamu or where ever he is? Where is Cate Blanchette in her eternal struggle against Sutur? Lee Pace's Ronin is still running around, no? Or maybe he got snapped away as being Thanos-adjacent. Willem Dafoe because they need evil geniuses. Warmonger as I've already mentioned. Namor I guess is kinda of a foe, though I fell asleep watching Wakanda 2 so I'm sure they all kissed and made up at the end. Dust off an Ultron model and get James Spader back.
Anyway, you get my drift. To set Doom up as an(other) EXISTENTIAL THREAT, you need the good guys AND the bad guys to work together. I can't even remember who the bad dragon guy was in Shang-Chi. I'm sure Thunderbolts will 'fix' their foe Sentry into a somewhat reliable ally. Could assume that would be the case, but now we KNOW that's what will happen.
What I see with this endless roster is a bloated mess of a film that will cave to the WORST aspects of fan-service as it gives lip-service to most of these characters just to check a box. Its gonna have a 3.5 hour runtime just to give all these folks a line, much less a "moment to shine". It's very different from Infinity War where all those characters were fresh in minds and all were coming off billion dollar films in just the past 2-3 years, if not within that year. You had GOTG2, S:H, Thor:Rag, and BP all within 1 YEAR of Infinity war, Civil War and Dr. Strange were just 2 years old. So the ability to power slam all these characters into the film was easy since they were all fresh. But to have to "re-introduce" the OG X-men, Shang-Chi (5 years old), the Wakandans (3 years old), it's gonna be a lot harder I think.
Doom85
Member
They kind of already have some villain representation with Magneto, Mystique, and Namor. Sure, they’re more morally flexible, but they still qualify.
Doom won’t be THAT level of threat in Doomsday, at least not blatantly obvious save to the heroes who are opposing him. Doomsday will likely end with him rewriting reality to fit his ideal image of what it should be, thus leading to Secret Wars, and THAT’S when EVERYBODY will be showing up to try to kick his ass.
Trogdor1123
Member
I get a feeling there might be a few surprises still.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Mads (Caecilius) is dead, Hella is dead, Ronan is dead (come on! That was shown in the first GotG movie!), Killmonger is dead, The Dweller in Darkness is dead
"XXX is dead" has ZERO meaning in the multi-verse MCU. Come on now, we can't play that card.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
He went off to another realm at the end of his movie.
skneogaf
Member
He did indeed with the his tiktok filter 3rd eye on! I thought he may poo back to earth as he probably already knows what us about to happen as he chose this outcome.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Maybe it’s conveniently better that he not come back til the second movie.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Should just show their ship blow up,
“Oh, they died.”
Doom85
Member
Liopleurodon
Member
Silent majority has spoken.
Blitzkrieg!
Banned
When have MCU slop lovers ever been silent about anything?
Silent majority has spoken.
Doom85
Member
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
The last thing anything marvel or avengers in people’s mind are the events of Loki and the TVA (Time Variance Authority), Captain America’s recent movie and the red hawk, moon knight, daredevil, and so I think people firmly want a big Avengers movie with a really good hero and a really good villain.
Ownage
Member
All night long.Sounds like you know what you should read next.
kunonabi
Member
Paquin doesn't have the chops to play that version of Rogue. I mean she couldn't even handle the shitty version of her that they gave her.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Read at your own risk.
Rumoured plot for Doomsday.
Rumoured plot for Doomsday.
You mean Academy Award winning actress, Anna Paquin? Golden Globe award winning actress?
You may not like her but "doesn't have the chops" is straight libel!
'Sides, compared to most of the lightweights starting in the MCU these days, she'd KILL IT.
Is this the 8 hour version that then gets so cut down for the theatrical release that none of this shit ever makes it on screen?
Nic Cage as ghost rider wouldn't be more than a brief flash of him riding by, like his Supes in The Flash. Ain't no way they have time for ANY of the stuff in that post.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
You’re right, it’s probably BS.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
I really think Ms Marvel and She-Hulk screwed up by including Mutants in their stories as they are all coming from X-Men world where the OG cast are from.
Hawking Radiation
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kpopSuperstar
Member
Isen't that too close to what Endgame did? Bad guy wins and the Avengers assemble?
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Well they used their plot material for the new captain America.
WhiteWaterM00se
Member
So, if Dr Doom wipes out most of the X-men as rumored. And a few other Marvel characters, Namor, etc. I am cool with that. Give them a proper end before the reboot.
BUT… I would rather Spider-Man and Deadpool and Wolverine star in the new Spider-Man 4 and arrive in Battle World right at the end of Doomsday. Let Deadpool and Wolverine witness the X-men destruction and Spideman see this is not Ironman. So it shapes their views for Secret Wars, which will heavily feature these three, imo.
This Wolverine would see the death of his friends and allow him and Deadpool to hunt Dr Doom in Secret Wars and Spider-Man eventually take the Black Suit to become Venom and stop Dr Doom.
Truthfully, it could be callback to wolverine not being able to stop the Xmen’s death in Deadpool and Wolverine, which would be very good. It would allow Marvel to allow Deadpool as well to “hunt” part of the Marvel Universe.
It could allow for dark humor, but also showing a darker side of marvel.
BUT… I would rather Spider-Man and Deadpool and Wolverine star in the new Spider-Man 4 and arrive in Battle World right at the end of Doomsday. Let Deadpool and Wolverine witness the X-men destruction and Spideman see this is not Ironman. So it shapes their views for Secret Wars, which will heavily feature these three, imo.
This Wolverine would see the death of his friends and allow him and Deadpool to hunt Dr Doom in Secret Wars and Spider-Man eventually take the Black Suit to become Venom and stop Dr Doom.
Truthfully, it could be callback to wolverine not being able to stop the Xmen’s death in Deadpool and Wolverine, which would be very good. It would allow Marvel to allow Deadpool as well to “hunt” part of the Marvel Universe.
It could allow for dark humor, but also showing a darker side of marvel.
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SJRB
Gold Member
How dire is the situation that they need to wheel in Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen?
Stewart is 84 and McKellen is fucking 85 years old man. Last year he tripped during a stage play and was out of commission for the rest of the production.
This reads like fanfic and ultra bad fanfic at that. I like how immediately people with "deep insider knowledge" come out of the woodwork right after an announcement trailer. What a cosmic coincidence.
Stewart is 84 and McKellen is fucking 85 years old man. Last year he tripped during a stage play and was out of commission for the rest of the production.
This reads like fanfic and ultra bad fanfic at that. I like how immediately people with "deep insider knowledge" come out of the woodwork right after an announcement trailer. What a cosmic coincidence.
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BlackTron
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They doubled the budget of the first one, which made back its budget over 6 times. So it appears to make sense.
Trouble is people showed up for Captain Marvel just because it was Marvel while they were riding high the Endgame arc, then had utterly no desire to pay to watch a sequel, recognizing their mistake.
Some day studios will figure out you can't really measure the impact of a release on the IP until the next release. The numbers could be very good, but it could be a lot of people paying to learn not to trust you again. IE Star Wars
Yeah, I went to Captain Marvel 100% because I wanted to stay up on anything related to the Avengers, not because I gave two squirts about that character.
To be fair to McKellen, I saw him doing Player Kings and he was absolutely fantastic. By contrast, Stewart has been awful in everything I've seen him in this side of Logan and he seems to have absolutely no energy left in him at all: even his short cameo playing Xavier in Dr. Strange was aggressively laborious.
Badlucktroll
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i hope mr doop has a place in it
Power Pro
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Seeing all the x-men actors just makes me sad. He wasn't able to really enjoy movies for the last 2 years, but my dad really liked the x-men movies. He passed away earlier this month, and all I can think of is how he won't get to see them return for this. It really sucks losing a loved one, because I just keep thinking of how hard it's going to be to enjoy certain things without them.
Revolutionary
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HRK69
Member
Wow, a "short" where the title actually reflects the situation, and it's not just a clickbait attempt to draw in views
Badlucktroll
Member
Why not McAvoy and Fassbender?
Save them for another hail mary play in 5 years is my guess. Stewart and Mckellan will have likely left us by then, sadly. This is their final chance....until AI allows these actors to play these roles in perpetuity.
