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Baldur's Gate 3 'Isn't Going to be on Game Pass', Insists Larian Boss; "We made a big game, so I think there's a fair price to be paid for that."
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Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
Gamepass is good for:
1. MP games where they can build up a big player base
2. GAAS where the more people who are playing it means more potential $$$$ from MTX
3. Indie games where a small studio can benefit from $$$$ by MS and get word of mouth for the game
4. Meaty games where people will start it and when the game falls off GP then players may be inclined to buy it outright at a discount since they likely have not finished the game.
5. Games that have or will have DLC. They put the game on GP but not the DLC. Players play the game and then buy the DLC
6. Games which may be a bit older and is having a sequel coming out soon. Builds up a player base who may want to purchase the sequel after playing the original title.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
StealthGoblin
Banned
Now we're getting somewhere
I've met Ainsley Harriot and I can confirm he's off his tits. Never knew what utter madness he was going to say.
Brigandier
Member
Good on them, it's a game pass title when it's 18-24 months old.
Del_X
Member
I didn’t make an argument - it’s literally an explanation of how things work. If it were on game pass then it would be priced appropriately for the sales tradeoff.
But I though 2nd in launch month sucked?psst..
It's the top-paid game on Xbox right now after CoD.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
You mean the extra special super duper deluxe collector's edition that's $100 or more, and only available at a dev store? Naw.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
fyi I own all current consoles and spend plenty on gaming as it is already.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Against CoD? The game that's topping both XBL *and* PSN charts?
I mean, I know what you're trying to do but even you must realize the folly in that comparison
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Deerock71
Member
Nobody's forcing us to pay anything. We simply don't have to buy it.When the xbox community hear they have to pay for games
You think Fifa or NBA2K are low sellers on their launch month vs COD on an off month?Against CoD? The game that's topping both XBL *and* PSN charts?
I mean, I know what you're trying to do but even you must realize the folly in that comparison
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Fifa and NBA are lower sellers compared to CoD. Nothing controversial about that.
CoD, in its off year, jumped to the #2 highest selling game of the year just after 3 weeks, only behind Hogwarts from all the way back in February.
Saber
Member
GP people are so annoying.
Entire new game announced? "Does this gonna come to GP? If so I will give a shot"
New game launched? "Does this gonna come to GP? I will only play this if it comes to GP"
Company says their game won't be coming to GP? " I will wait until eventually comes GP"
Entire new game announced? "Does this gonna come to GP? If so I will give a shot"
New game launched? "Does this gonna come to GP? I will only play this if it comes to GP"
Company says their game won't be coming to GP? " I will wait until eventually comes GP"
Listen, do you think FIFA sells less on launch month than COD does on month 2? Don't jump to praising CoD, just answer that question.
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Dis
Member
For Free* on Gamepass.
“We made a big game! Fair price needs to be paid”
You’re right. But its just a
Thought experiment
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I think the circana chart has your answer, if they were as high sellers as CoD on their launch months even, they wouldn't have fallen behind CoD in its launch month.
And, no, this is not praising CoD. This is breaking down your initial attempt at quoting me because Baldurs Gate 3 is behind CoD in the top paid list as some kind of "gotcha".
Pop
Member
psst ..
your glasses are off again
Well ya because its not on gamepass
WTF are you talking about? How did they fall behind COD on launch month?
You're praising cod with irrelevant facts about off years. Don't even understand what you're doing. Especially with this nonsense that FIFA or NBA2k fell behind COD on launch month. Where's that nonsense coming from?
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ShadyAcshuns
Member
You know what's even more annoying? People who hate consumer-friendly options.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Mate, I don't know where this conversation is going either. BG3 is trading places with CoD as the top paid app on Xbox right now.
Your 'oh i thought 2nd place wasn't good enough' gotcha attempt made little sense, especially as this is a late port anyway. Not a day and date release with the other versions.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
All you are doing is reinforcing that Game Pass hurt sales by showing the place on sales lists by not being on it.
Further reinforcing what the dev was saying.
Further reinforcing what the dev was saying.
ZoukGalaxy
Member
That's the right way, bravo, don't fall into mediocrity or the "easy subscription short term model" and let people BUY your game and not "consume" it.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Plenty of devs happily put their games on the service too, hopefully not under duress, it's all gravy.
Besides, at least we can safely close the book on the "xbox players don't buy, they wait for game pass" narrative in this case.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
You always want your cake and to eat it too. It does not work that way.
Great games sell, news at 11. Top bangers are never day 1 on it. From Elden Ring to BG3. There's a reason for that.
Icymanipulator
Member
Fully agree with him. The game is worth every penny.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They don't necessarily have to cancel each other out, using our favorite example, Starfield, despite launching on 2 platforms on game pass day one, it is still the 10th top selling game of the year. It also didn't launch on the highest selling console platform in the US.
Likely will end up at the same by the time the year finishes cause I don't see Avatar hitting the top 10 ytd.
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ChoosableOne
ChoosableAll
He basically says Gamepass isn't a place for big games. Late response to Stadia-Rpg drama?
This guy fights on every front, with a shiny armor, and I love it.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Oh what could have been for poor Starfield.
And yes, people are more than likely to "wait for GP" on mid games than they are bangers the entire world is talking about.
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KungFucius
King Snowflake
It's a lot cheaper now than it was when it launched and will continue to go down. I see no reason why a big game like this couldn't go on a service years down the road when sales are minimal
ShadyAcshuns
Member
Techno_Inked
Member
Larian for real is the new role model of the industry.
Not only are they ethical and passionate about what they do.
They stay independent and make logical business decisions instead of making a quick but potentially detrimental buck.
Not only are they ethical and passionate about what they do.
They stay independent and make logical business decisions instead of making a quick but potentially detrimental buck.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Play Asia has normal version for $60. Not sure about Xbox version though as I was looking for PS5.
Skifi28
Member
I wouldn't say people hate gamepass itself, mostly the evangelists that think it's the best thing to happen to the industry. These rental services have their uses, but they have also heavily contributed to devaluing games and none does it better than gamepass. You can see it happening right before your eyes with the "no gamepass no buy" comments we see all the time. People have been trained not to buy games, that's quite bad if gaming is your hobby and you want a healthy future for the industry.
Torrent of Pork
Banned
People are being trained not to buy shit games at full price sight-unseen. I don't touch games day 1 unless I get a positive consensus from reviewers whose taste I trust, been burned too many times.
Now if it's on GamePass, and looks even remotely interesting I'll give it a whirl for an hour or two to make up my own mind. For every game on there I love I've found one that I thought would be right up my alley, but just didn't connect. Hey, no harm no foul.
Skifi28
Member
But we're in a Baldur's game 3 thread and we still see these comments, people have been trained not to buy games period. If there's been one game this year deserving full price, it's this.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
It's weird to see those who think your standard game should be something like $100 a pop, or even worse, a game's value should be determined by what journalists think of each game.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Games being devalued was happening long before GamePass and will continue happening whether GamePass exists in the future or not. Anything that’s not AAA is seen as low budget garbage and if a game doesn’t score 9+ from the critics then it’s not a good game worth buying according to the internet. People also rent and wait on sales before buying games. It’s not a problem for consumers to look out for consumers, and it’s certainly not a problem for publishers to go to GamePass.
If you want proof of this just look at any GamePass monthly games thread. If there’s not a day one AAA blockbuster then most people shitpost and call it a day. The industry would be a better place if gamers respected every type of game.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
As a GamePass subscriber I don’t expect third party bangers to be on the service day one. It’s for first party bangers, smaller scale titles, indies, and AAA’s that are risky and not sure things for the publisher, so they take a check from MS to level out some of that risk. And then of course you have your titles that come months after release when the sales machine has slowed down. Which is when Baldurs Gate 3 will hit both GamePass and PS+, eventually.
Pelta88
Member
Torrent of Pork
Banned
Bro I bought it day 1. I bought a lot of games day 1 this year, all under the procedures I talked about. If I don't get positive reviews from ACG, Matty, Cog, et al I don't buy without an extreme amount of scrutiny.
I never said don't buy games day 1, I said don't buy games day 1 sight-unseen. Marketing lies and FOMO are just that, bullshit designed to separate you from your wallet. For the love of God everybody stop pre-ordering things,
As far as people wanting BG3 on GamePass, well no shit they want it on GP. It would be wild if it were on GP. I have no doubt that MS made an offer, and Larian made the decision to decline. Good on them that it worked out, but that's business. I'll bet you the guys behind Callisto Protocol wish they took the bag.
DavidGzz
Gold Member
Someone remember to bump this thread in the summer when it's on there. Just kidding but it wouldn't surprise me. I bought it on Steam. It's great but I get bored pretty quickly. There are just too many faster paced games to play at the moment. I'll come back to it.
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Saber
Member
In what part of my post saying how annoying GP begging spam is says exactly that I was against consumer friendly option? Tales from your ass?
In the meantime, seems like they made a point that they valorize start-to-finish projects with big effort and no microtransactions, which sounds more than fair to tag a price for it. Go there call them out for their "anti-consumer tatic", they will love to hear your silly imput.
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S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Larian
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