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Bar MAFIA |OT| There's Gonna Be Shots
- Thread starter Kawl_USC
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StackpoleH
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All right! I forgot about the day start this afternoon, but it luckily seems I'm not too far behind. Some interesting discussion so far! As per usual for day one, I'm mostly seeing a lot of general talk about game strategy and a lot of grasping at straws. I don't see any clues to who is and isn't mafia in the conversation so far. Needless to say.
I know the conventional wisdom around here is that there should always be a lynch on the first day. But I think that the very certainty that someone will be lynched makes it less likely that the lynch will be useful or revealing in any way. No one is really accountable for their votes on day one because everyone accepts that day one votes are essentially random. If you want someone dead you can easily vote for them with your only rationale being "might as well."
However, all this lackadaisical atmosphere goes away if the lynch is not guaranteed. Therefore, I will vote today if I find someone suspicious, even a little bit. If I don't, I will vote no lynch.
My first game was final fantasy, in which I was a newbie mafia. I was quickly overwhelmed and pretty much tried to do whatever my teammates (especially you, Hyper) told me to do. I didn't really have a strategy of my own except to fly under the radar, which I did to pretty good effect for a few days at least.
My second game was Disney princesses, as town. I think I had a pretty conventional strategy. No crazy gambits or anything.
In both games my relatively low activity level was a problem. I just can't check in that regularly due to work.
I think I learned from Disney to speak up more and not be afraid to bring up new ideas-- and new lynch candidates. I also want to take more careful notes this game. Explained above my hopes & expectations for day 1.
A lot of discussion so far has centered around Hyperactivity, AbsolutBro, and their intro posts. I don't think these posts provide any clues, but I do have some questions.
AB, you say you didn't prewrite your post. Why did you not reference hyperactivity's lengthy intro post, either to agree or disagree with it? Was this a deliberate choice or just something that didn't especially occur to you?
Hyper, are you concerned that your intro questions will elicit info that could be helpful to the mafia? Did you consider that possibility before writing your post?
I know the conventional wisdom around here is that there should always be a lynch on the first day. But I think that the very certainty that someone will be lynched makes it less likely that the lynch will be useful or revealing in any way. No one is really accountable for their votes on day one because everyone accepts that day one votes are essentially random. If you want someone dead you can easily vote for them with your only rationale being "might as well."
However, all this lackadaisical atmosphere goes away if the lynch is not guaranteed. Therefore, I will vote today if I find someone suspicious, even a little bit. If I don't, I will vote no lynch.
My first game was final fantasy, in which I was a newbie mafia. I was quickly overwhelmed and pretty much tried to do whatever my teammates (especially you, Hyper) told me to do. I didn't really have a strategy of my own except to fly under the radar, which I did to pretty good effect for a few days at least.
My second game was Disney princesses, as town. I think I had a pretty conventional strategy. No crazy gambits or anything.
In both games my relatively low activity level was a problem. I just can't check in that regularly due to work.
I think I learned from Disney to speak up more and not be afraid to bring up new ideas-- and new lynch candidates. I also want to take more careful notes this game. Explained above my hopes & expectations for day 1.
A lot of discussion so far has centered around Hyperactivity, AbsolutBro, and their intro posts. I don't think these posts provide any clues, but I do have some questions.
AB, you say you didn't prewrite your post. Why did you not reference hyperactivity's lengthy intro post, either to agree or disagree with it? Was this a deliberate choice or just something that didn't especially occur to you?
Hyper, are you concerned that your intro questions will elicit info that could be helpful to the mafia? Did you consider that possibility before writing your post?
Now batsnacks needs to make a poorly thought out gambit and we can call it a day.
pretty sure any cabot/Kawl game would get that title anyway regardless of theme
For future reference - no editing posts!
for future reference - no backseat moderating you utter cretin!
Also yeah, what he said. I'll glass you for such things, euphemism.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
HELLO.
Please do not edit your posts in the game thread. It is NOT ALLOWED.
Thank you.
AbsolutBro
Member
I really don't get the big deal about this. After my first game, I have made a "hey newbies, don't be afraid to fuck up" post. New game. I made a "hey newbies, don't be afraid to fuck up" post. That's it.
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
Why is that image so tiny?
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
Of course after I post that it enlargens. Not being able to edit sucks.
timetokill
Banned
I'll just let you guys know that I just got a black female bunny and my white bunny is crazy in love with her, I keep them separate but he REALLY really wants that booty.
sooooo racist
I am potty training her x).
I didn't realise that AB always makes those advice posts at the start, I'm back to ignoring them as not alignment-indicative.
I didn't realise that AB always makes those advice posts at the start, I'm back to ignoring them as not alignment-indicative.
I am up to date with the day now and I have to say I really dislike the first two posts by hyper and it seems to me that AB is thinking the same, but was more passive since he was pretty much robbed of his quirk.
About the No Lynch talk, I have to say I am usually Pro- No Lynch, mostly because I like my town PR's like I like my pets: Not Dead.
That said, we should totally lynch ouro. Or Blargonaut.
I miss Blargonaut =(.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Yeah ok I'm back
You heard me.
Blargonaut is the Trump of Gafia. Charismatic, crazy, confident, wild an with ridiculous plans that somehow seem that they can work.
I am Bernie. The muppet.
Make GAFia Great Again
Hyperactivity
Banned
How would I pressure her into revealing she was a power role, I specifically outlined that NO ONE should reveal unless absolutely necessary RIGHT THERE in that post.
Going to address concerns about me looking "eager" right now. TheExodu5 brought upa good point, that I was scum with him in Harry Potter and I acted in a similar, super helpful townie sort of way. But I would say that, in every game since, I haven't really taken that persona. In Final Fantasy, I was scum, and in the main thread I was either really silent or trying some gambit. And in my town games since, I've again been really quiet.
Main reason why I would be "eager" is because I've been ridiculously low activity the past couple games, and have been really disappointed in those performances (asked for subs the last 3 games I've been in), and because now that it's summer, I actually have the time I want to dedicate to mafia
So yeah, I've been a little eager about this game, my last decent one was Final Fantasy, I basically skipped seasons 5 and 5.5
I (or at least think/hope I) said it in the post. She was fairly active in the thread before the game started (plus outside it too), so I was relatively sure I would get
Hyperactivity
Banned
You guys can just ignore this, but I want to stress that I'm most interested in number 4, what everyone plans to do for day 1. That is, I'd prefer more detailed answers, that explain what our situation by day 2 should look like.
I'd also prefer those questions not just be an answer them and disappear thing, answering that, especially with only token responses, doesn't amount to activity in my eyes (might even bother me more than just not answering)
Thought I should probably comment on this, seems to be the other main topic.
Don't really see much suspicious from this, barring me trying to write a narrative on AbsolutBro. My posts, if anything, are more egregious, for giving off a more domineering attitude towards the conversation
Ok, now do you have ANYTHING to add to that.
I'd also prefer those questions not just be an answer them and disappear thing, answering that, especially with only token responses, doesn't amount to activity in my eyes (might even bother me more than just not answering)
Thought I should probably comment on this, seems to be the other main topic.
Don't really see much suspicious from this, barring me trying to write a narrative on AbsolutBro. My posts, if anything, are more egregious, for giving off a more domineering attitude towards the conversation
Ok, now do you have ANYTHING to add to that.
Oh, fair enough. And were you satisfied with
Hyperactivity
Banned
VOTE: Ourobolus
You evidently seem to have some plan for day 1, based on your 2nd post. But I'm wondering, if other people respond like you do, would we get anything? And if they don't, why should they be the ones to post and be scrutinized, when you, a person who seems to have an idea of how day 1 typically goes down, do nothing to stimulate the conversation?
Hyperactivity
Banned
Oh huh, I thought I unvoted her
Well in any case, I moved my vote now. Yes, I was satisfied, especially because I have an idea of what she plans for day 1 and therefore how she will work towards it, and for me it's pretty helpful
Hyperactivity
Banned
Oh huh, thought I posted this earlier
Thanks for taking the time to answer this. Was planning on a 2nd round, but you were pretty thorough in answering these, and I believe your plan for day 1 aligns with mine
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Thanks for taking the time to answer this. Was planning on a 2nd round, but you were pretty thorough in answering these, and I believe your plan for day 1 aligns with mine
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it's a bit difficult. see answer #3.
you're misreading that post. splinter had said that we were only like 30 posts into the game, justifying batsnacks' suspicions on myself and AB
and i'm playing D1 exceptionally well this time, thank you very much
lol
Hyperactivity
Banned
I feel sorta bad now
Am I concerned my intro questions will elicit info that could be helpful to the mafia? Not really, no. Mafia in day 1 are doing a couple of different things:
1) Establishing themselves
2) Being as lost as the rest of us
3) Watching out for bread-crumbing, role hints, and even the stupid role claims
My questions don't relate to any of that, and hopefully steer us away from number 3. The one thing I suppose I could see is playstyle, because the night 1 kill, as Crab put in harry potter, often targets someone with a history of having a strong town game, given a lack of other targets. But again, I doubt the scum team has all new people, and so I'm pretty sure they would already have an idea of that, plus me painting a big red target on myself as is.
On your day 1 strategy, I like that you thoroughly discussed it regarding lynching, but my question is also trying to elicit how you will play DURING the day to get such a result. So if you could give any further detail on that, I would appreciate it.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Crap crap crap this was supposed to be one long post, posted the above post thinking all this was in it
Yeah, Sorian, and there's a reason why I was throwing up afterwards too
And you do bring up a good poit about Crab, for the player he is, he seems awfully content to let us make all the mistakes, so he can swoop in and "catch" us for it, without ever putting himself in a vulnerable position
VOTE: Crab
You're next after Ouro. I'm not letting you become active in the late-game and be all "This person here said this, here did this" without you giving some information of your own to the rest of us
Ok, now that you know what day 1 is typically like, is your plan for day 1 to just sit it out? If so, what prevents you from voting no lynch? It's nice that you don't want to jump the gun, but I'm not sure lying back and letting the day proceed is better (probably worse), because you give us nothing on your for day 2.
And if you don't plan on sitting it out, what DO you plan for day 1, given that you think it's normally nonsense.
Given that you want a no lynch for day 1, again, what's your plan for day 1 itself, and where do you want to be day 2? You've said you want a no lynch, but I imagine you don't want day 2 to be a repeat of day 1, so you probably have some idea of how you'd like the day to go, even if we agreed to a no lynch.
Also, what would you say caused the day 1 is the last 2 games to be detrimental to town, specifically with the proceedings of day 1 itself, not the rest of the game?
Yeah, Sorian, and there's a reason why I was throwing up afterwards too
And you do bring up a good poit about Crab, for the player he is, he seems awfully content to let us make all the mistakes, so he can swoop in and "catch" us for it, without ever putting himself in a vulnerable position
VOTE: Crab
You're next after Ouro. I'm not letting you become active in the late-game and be all "This person here said this, here did this" without you giving some information of your own to the rest of us
Ok, now that you know what day 1 is typically like, is your plan for day 1 to just sit it out? If so, what prevents you from voting no lynch? It's nice that you don't want to jump the gun, but I'm not sure lying back and letting the day proceed is better (probably worse), because you give us nothing on your for day 2.
And if you don't plan on sitting it out, what DO you plan for day 1, given that you think it's normally nonsense.
Given that you want a no lynch for day 1, again, what's your plan for day 1 itself, and where do you want to be day 2? You've said you want a no lynch, but I imagine you don't want day 2 to be a repeat of day 1, so you probably have some idea of how you'd like the day to go, even if we agreed to a no lynch.
Also, what would you say caused the day 1 is the last 2 games to be detrimental to town, specifically with the proceedings of day 1 itself, not the rest of the game?
I interpreted that post the same way as Hyper, how am I supposed to be reading it?
when i said "wait for more posts" i meant, "yeah, we're only 30 posts in, even grasping at straws is grasping at straws at that point"
Hyperactivity
Banned
Might as well answer the stupid questions myself.
1) What teams have you played for before? Which game(s)?
Town in Cthulhu, MGS, Werewolf 2, Love Boat (really inactive)
Scum in Election, Harry Potter, Final Fantasy,
Neutral Arsonist for 2 day in GAFIA 2.
Safe to say, especially since Cthulhu was back in season 3, and that was probably my best town game, that people know me for being scum. In MGS and Love Boat I played a really scummy town, making some mistakes as town in the first (and forgetting really obvious stuff), and in Love Boat 1/2 on purpose and 1/2 because I was inactive (I was a doctor trying to keep a low profile, but Kingkitty was probably the one that prevented us from getting lynched)
As scum, in Election, on day 1 I was figuring out, overthinking my posts, etc. etc. Day 2, I got the hang of it. Due to voting, I was on a shortlist of 5 or 6 suspected players, but I played aggressively and contributed alot such that I was near the bottom of that suspicion, and had a few more days on me. Then, at the end of the day, a bunch of claims happened and the vote turned against me in the last 10 minutes as I tried to stop it and failed. Notably, on day 2, I zeroe'd on 1 player for a totally bs reason and pushed for their lynch.
In Harry Potter, I was specifically tried from day 1 to dominate the conversation, posting a TON day 1. Days 2 and 3, I dropped off quite a bit, but was still very active. At the end of day 3, in the last 5 minutes, when I left the thread, the vote moved against me and lynched me (for a reason I still think I could've defended myself from XD).
In Final Fantasy, I was less active, but still mid-tier imo. At the end of day 1, I made a series of moves involving me self-voting and claiming cop to save a teammate. Day 2, I had to deal with suspicion and a counterclaim, and thankfully my gambit paid off, lynching the actual town cop. Day 3 I got lynched, because despite me seemingly staving off the majority for a couple hours, I was doomed at that point. I would say I played final fantasy under suspicion.
I made like two posts in GAFIA 2.
2) Did you come into that game with a plan, idea? Were you planning to act a specific way for it/play to a specific playstyle?
I did this for cthulhu, werewolf 2, love boat, harry potter, and gafia 2. I subbed into cthulhu and ww2, and had a bunch of theories and ideas that I mostly discarded as soon as I got into the game. Love Boat and Harry Potter, I had some ideas: HP I knew I was going to try and dominate the conversation, and planned some absolutely crazy fake role claims too (one day maybe I'll actually use the Winnie the pooh claim), and Love Boat I knew I wanted wanted to play the game under suspicion. GAFIA 2, I had a plan but never did anything with it lol.
3) How would you describe your playstyle? If you think it has recently changed, in what way?
Going to address two main aspects here. On activity, as my username suggests, I was originally VERY active, however I have this habit of dropping off even though I'm reading the thread, and had been extremely inactive my last couple of games. Want a return to form this game, hence this tryhard bs right now.
I was incredibly erratic in cthulhu, but I would say that, in the thread at least, I've become much calmer as a player. Still erratic in when and why I post, but the emotion was typically left to the scum thread (I would say I developed my playstyle most in Election, Harry Potter, Final Fantasy, and Love Boat).
Notably, I've developed a habit to disregard when votes are put on me, as I never have really cared about playing under suspicion too much, as either town or scum, so long as I could adequately defend myself. This worked really well in Love Boat, when scum only illed the doctor pair because they used a randomizer in frustration, and terribly in Metal Gear Solid, where no one in town trusted me and everyone thought I was scum. Even as scum, that policy has remained: playing under suspicion is fine so long as you're not the scummiest of the "this player feels like he's scum" list.
4) What are your goals for Day 1?/What do you plan on doing day 1?
Throw as many people in and out of the frying pan by the end of the day, and to have hopefully gone through the entire player list by the end of the day. By the end of this day, I'd like a really close vote, because that gives us more to work with, not everyone shows up in the last hour and bandwagons on the guy with 5 votes on him.
I plan to actively question other players, pressure them, etc. I haven't decided yet if I'll vote so as to engineer a competitive vote at the end of the day, but that idea is on my mind right now.
Ok, given that I misread that post, that gives me even less insight on what you plan to do today. I'm focusing on one question here: what's your plan for day 1? I'm also hoping for a response other than "Sit around, wait for someone to expose themselves, pounce/let others do that", because that gives us a limited number of reads for day 2
Ok, just saw this post, need to respond. My point remains the same here, are you going to offer yourself up so that we can get reads on you as well as others, and help the conversation along, or are you going to do the bs thing: "There's nothing to analyze, so therefore nothing to really post or comment on"
I planned to post the post with the unvote earlier, along with my earlier posts defending myself (talking about the one where I respond to Wherearemahdragonz)
Bite me, I'm not listening to some old loser, we all know Kawl is the boss here.
I don't think you've ever even been drunk
1) What teams have you played for before? Which game(s)?
Town in Cthulhu, MGS, Werewolf 2, Love Boat (really inactive)
Scum in Election, Harry Potter, Final Fantasy,
Neutral Arsonist for 2 day in GAFIA 2.
Safe to say, especially since Cthulhu was back in season 3, and that was probably my best town game, that people know me for being scum. In MGS and Love Boat I played a really scummy town, making some mistakes as town in the first (and forgetting really obvious stuff), and in Love Boat 1/2 on purpose and 1/2 because I was inactive (I was a doctor trying to keep a low profile, but Kingkitty was probably the one that prevented us from getting lynched)
As scum, in Election, on day 1 I was figuring out, overthinking my posts, etc. etc. Day 2, I got the hang of it. Due to voting, I was on a shortlist of 5 or 6 suspected players, but I played aggressively and contributed alot such that I was near the bottom of that suspicion, and had a few more days on me. Then, at the end of the day, a bunch of claims happened and the vote turned against me in the last 10 minutes as I tried to stop it and failed. Notably, on day 2, I zeroe'd on 1 player for a totally bs reason and pushed for their lynch.
In Harry Potter, I was specifically tried from day 1 to dominate the conversation, posting a TON day 1. Days 2 and 3, I dropped off quite a bit, but was still very active. At the end of day 3, in the last 5 minutes, when I left the thread, the vote moved against me and lynched me (for a reason I still think I could've defended myself from XD).
In Final Fantasy, I was less active, but still mid-tier imo. At the end of day 1, I made a series of moves involving me self-voting and claiming cop to save a teammate. Day 2, I had to deal with suspicion and a counterclaim, and thankfully my gambit paid off, lynching the actual town cop. Day 3 I got lynched, because despite me seemingly staving off the majority for a couple hours, I was doomed at that point. I would say I played final fantasy under suspicion.
I made like two posts in GAFIA 2.
2) Did you come into that game with a plan, idea? Were you planning to act a specific way for it/play to a specific playstyle?
I did this for cthulhu, werewolf 2, love boat, harry potter, and gafia 2. I subbed into cthulhu and ww2, and had a bunch of theories and ideas that I mostly discarded as soon as I got into the game. Love Boat and Harry Potter, I had some ideas: HP I knew I was going to try and dominate the conversation, and planned some absolutely crazy fake role claims too (one day maybe I'll actually use the Winnie the pooh claim), and Love Boat I knew I wanted wanted to play the game under suspicion. GAFIA 2, I had a plan but never did anything with it lol.
3) How would you describe your playstyle? If you think it has recently changed, in what way?
Going to address two main aspects here. On activity, as my username suggests, I was originally VERY active, however I have this habit of dropping off even though I'm reading the thread, and had been extremely inactive my last couple of games. Want a return to form this game, hence this tryhard bs right now.
I was incredibly erratic in cthulhu, but I would say that, in the thread at least, I've become much calmer as a player. Still erratic in when and why I post, but the emotion was typically left to the scum thread (I would say I developed my playstyle most in Election, Harry Potter, Final Fantasy, and Love Boat).
Notably, I've developed a habit to disregard when votes are put on me, as I never have really cared about playing under suspicion too much, as either town or scum, so long as I could adequately defend myself. This worked really well in Love Boat, when scum only illed the doctor pair because they used a randomizer in frustration, and terribly in Metal Gear Solid, where no one in town trusted me and everyone thought I was scum. Even as scum, that policy has remained: playing under suspicion is fine so long as you're not the scummiest of the "this player feels like he's scum" list.
4) What are your goals for Day 1?/What do you plan on doing day 1?
Throw as many people in and out of the frying pan by the end of the day, and to have hopefully gone through the entire player list by the end of the day. By the end of this day, I'd like a really close vote, because that gives us more to work with, not everyone shows up in the last hour and bandwagons on the guy with 5 votes on him.
I plan to actively question other players, pressure them, etc. I haven't decided yet if I'll vote so as to engineer a competitive vote at the end of the day, but that idea is on my mind right now.
Ok, given that I misread that post, that gives me even less insight on what you plan to do today. I'm focusing on one question here: what's your plan for day 1? I'm also hoping for a response other than "Sit around, wait for someone to expose themselves, pounce/let others do that", because that gives us a limited number of reads for day 2
Ok, just saw this post, need to respond. My point remains the same here, are you going to offer yourself up so that we can get reads on you as well as others, and help the conversation along, or are you going to do the bs thing: "There's nothing to analyze, so therefore nothing to really post or comment on"
I planned to post the post with the unvote earlier, along with my earlier posts defending myself (talking about the one where I respond to Wherearemahdragonz)
Bite me, I'm not listening to some old loser, we all know Kawl is the boss here.
I don't think you've ever even been drunk
Hmm, k
1) Town and scum, many times. I've been frankly fantastic as both, ignoring all the times where I wasn't.
2) I don't usually bother with much pre-game planning. Sometimes play Day 1 without reading role PM, but didn't do that here.
3) Shit posting until I find something more useful to do. Aggressive when I need to be.
4) I plan on throwing a little bit of shade at every player, so that post-game I can quote myself attacking scum on Day 1 and brag about my sick reads.
now that would be telling
who said there hasn't been anything to analyze
it's not like i'm random voting
Hyper, just want to remind you that this was in your first post. Maybe take your own advice!
I thought it was a little strange you didn't lead by example by answering your questions the first time tbh, good to see you answering them now.
1) What teams have you played for before? Which game(s)?
I am always town. No, seriously, check my stats, I have only been scum in one game and I was a replacement and I was doomed from the start because the player that I was replacing fucked up big time.
2) Did you come into that game with a plan, idea? Were you planning to act a specific way for it/play to a specific playstyle?
I am too lazy to come up with plans.
3) How would you describe your playstyle? If you think it has recently changed, in what way?
I am too lazy to come up with a playstyle. I usually just post when I feel like it or when someone mentions me (Since it comes up when I am checking who quoted me). I am always reading the thread, tho.
4) What are your goals for Day 1?/What do you plan on doing day 1?
Posting pictures of my bunnies and making shit up as I go.
I am always town. No, seriously, check my stats, I have only been scum in one game and I was a replacement and I was doomed from the start because the player that I was replacing fucked up big time.
2) Did you come into that game with a plan, idea? Were you planning to act a specific way for it/play to a specific playstyle?
I am too lazy to come up with plans.
3) How would you describe your playstyle? If you think it has recently changed, in what way?
I am too lazy to come up with a playstyle. I usually just post when I feel like it or when someone mentions me (Since it comes up when I am checking who quoted me). I am always reading the thread, tho.
4) What are your goals for Day 1?/What do you plan on doing day 1?
Posting pictures of my bunnies and making shit up as I go.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Not really, wouldn't be that telling because of how often it happens.
Thinking of a specific example from GAFIA 2. Gryvan got lynched for being "too defensive". Not much else had been going on that day 1. Come day 2, people got on Fireblend's case about being aggressive and pouncing on Gryvan, while a bunch of other people hadn't done crap.
But because so many people were "complacent", you couldn't well attack them either, it was too large of a group.
But that relates to what I said earlier. I'm interested in one thing alone: what do you plan on doing day 1? If it's: "wait back and see other people post so I can analyze", then whatever, I'm just interested in an answer, and made a mistake earlier in arguing against a strawman of what I thought your answer would be