kunonabi
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I'm barbie's case the leaks are pointing to it being politicized and the trailers and interviews are currently backing them up. I'd love for them to be wrong though.
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Barbenheimer (July 21, 2023)
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0neAnd0nly
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Not really, Barbie, like everything is political. I haven't really followed the film (it doesn't look great to me either) but the effects of Barbie dolls' ideals are well documented and both the manufacturer of the toys and the makers of this film have acknowledged this by trying to reflect a more diverse, inclusive and aspirational take on how women are represented.
I don't think I ever felt particularly represented in movies or toys when I was a kid, and I didn't particularly enjoy that it seemed that every time someone who looked a bit like me (skinny, glasses) was in a tv show or film they were negatively portrayed as boring, nerdy, socially inept. I think it's fairly well documented that women are more likely to be valued based on their appearance, while men may be less perfect, but be valued based on how clever or witty they are. That's not to say, obviously, that no women are valued based on their brains, that would be ridiculous. But the representations of women being valued for being strong, clever, good at sport, etc. Are still less common and we're frequently drawn instead to conclude that women are frequently valued based on their femininity and beauty alone.
So, I don't think it's that bad a thing that Barbie, which was an icon of an impossible beauty standard, is now being used to challenge stereotypes about women.
However, getting Margot Robbie, one of the hottest people in the world, to take the titular role might not be quite so progressive.
Bro. It’s an effing PLASTIC DOLL.
It isn’t that deep!
Edit: unless you are one of these great philosophers of 2020 Hollywood with their (slightly) above single digit IQs. Then *everything* is deep!
Edit 2: not speaking about you, specifically, Mr Reasonable, just taking shots at Hollywood. Just want to clarify!
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OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I'm not seeing either. It's been some really great marketing though. Although it makes me a bit pissy that we live in a world where a fucking barbie movie will probably gross five times more than dune part two.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Well, if you distill it down to a piece of plastic, sure. In that instance, you might as well give a little girl a He-Man or GI JOE or a Transformer, but for some reason it's not all the same to them.
And, from that you might start to think that aesthetics are more important than they initially appear.
0neAnd0nly
Member
I truly don’t feel ANYBODY used to give 2 craps about this.
90% of dolls don’t represent actuality.
This shouldn’t be controversial.
I don’t pick up my NECA
Godzilla GMK figure and get upset because it doesn’t represent real life animals.I don’t pick up my Playmates
Ninja Turtle and get upset because I ain’t green and trained by a humanoid rat in martial arts.It IS JUST a piece of plastic. Period.
Adults trying to assign adult problems to kids stuff is absolutely bonkers, and a product of a modern, extremely privileged society.
Just my .02
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Cyberpunkd
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Klosshufvud
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I couldn't get an IMAX spot. All sold out all weekend. Had to settle for the normal showing
I'm guessing between Barbie, MI7 and now this, cinemas don't have many theatre rooms to spare.
Grildon Tundy
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Or the Star Wars Prequel Memes subreddit hitting the front page of Reddit every single day with crap memes once Disney bought the property. Right. Totally organic, grassroots effort
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jshackles
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I'm going to see both on Friday. Barbie first then Oppenheimer.
DUDE
Your theater obviously knows what's up. These are showing basically back to back, on the same screen. You even got the same seat for both, so you don't have to move for nearly 5 hours. Enjoy!
WoodyStare
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Oppenheimer 70mm IMAX was sold out for a few days so I have to wait until Tuesday morning. Got my Barbie tickets ready for this Thursday evening. Can’t wait for both of them.
HoodWinked
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YT algorithm served me a nice video of some of the background of both films and how they may have ended up at the same release date.
Spaceman292
Banned
Yeah, why would anyone want to see a movie that looks fun? All real men want to somberly be reminded about the lingering threat of nuclear armageddon. Guns and WW2. Anything else is for dumb women and queers lmao
/s
You sound very insecure
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DKehoe
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The one I booked was an IMAX screening so I'm glad I didn't wait much longer to book mine.I couldn't get an IMAX spot. All sold out all weekend. Had to settle for the normal showing
I'm guessing between Barbie, MI7 and now this, cinemas don't have many theatre rooms to spare.
V1LÆM
Gold Member
i haven't checked the full day but i wouldn't be surprised if they are rotating the screen between barbie and oppenheimer all day. i'm seeing them on the "Superscreen" (not IMAX) so I'm not sure about all the normal smaller screens.
and i think when i account for adverts i should have just about over an hour between Barbie ending and Oppenheimer starting.
edit: Barbie is getting only 1 showing on Friday and Oppenheimer is getting 2 on the Superscreen. On the normal screens there are 20 Barbie showings and 12 Oppenheimer.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Pikmin 4 is also releasing on July 21.
Ememee
Member
Very, very excited for both. Watching both on Friday.
I don’t know what has analysts stumped: You’ve got two movies, polar opposite ends of the spectrum, that look entertaining in their own different and respective way. Most refreshing of all, neither’s a damn superhero flick. Barbie’s a popular IP, but it’s uncharted territory.
And I just really dig baby goose and Nolan. Even though I didn’t catch his last two flicks.
I don’t know what has analysts stumped: You’ve got two movies, polar opposite ends of the spectrum, that look entertaining in their own different and respective way. Most refreshing of all, neither’s a damn superhero flick. Barbie’s a popular IP, but it’s uncharted territory.
And I just really dig baby goose and Nolan. Even though I didn’t catch his last two flicks.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
It is my opinion, so take it as it is but I believe that Margot Robbie is slightly prettier than Amy Schumer. Again just an opinion....Wasn't always that way. Amy Schumer
Different movie altogether now though!
Barbenheimer preliminary results:
Barbie
$110 million opening weekend preliminary estimate
RT: 89% Critics, 90% Audience
IMDb: 7.8/10
Metacritic: 81
Oppenheimer
$50 million opening weekend preliminary estimate
RT: 94% Critics, 94% Audience
IMDb: 9.0/10
Metacritic: 90
Barbie
$110 million opening weekend preliminary estimate
RT: 89% Critics, 90% Audience
IMDb: 7.8/10
Metacritic: 81
Oppenheimer
$50 million opening weekend preliminary estimate
RT: 94% Critics, 94% Audience
IMDb: 9.0/10
Metacritic: 90
FunkMiller
Member
Very good for both, and a clear sign audiences are interested in something new, that isn't a fucking superhero or Lucasfilm.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Margot Robbie might be the most beautiful woman on the planet. A bunch of dudes going out to see her play Barbie... I'll just say the atom bomb isn't going to be the only thing exploding in theaters this weekend.
WoodyStare
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Box Office: ‘Barbie’ Blasts Off With $22.3M in Previews, ‘Oppenheimer’ Rakes in $10.5M
If traffic stays this strong, 'Barbie' could open to a gigantic $150 million-plus over the weekend, followed by a sizable $75 million for 'Oppenheimer.'
www.hollywoodreporter.com
Top 5 preview numbers this year:
Considering Oppenheimer is R rated and almost 3 hours long, and up against the biggest movie of the year, quite the strong showing still. Should have good legs.Box Office: ‘Barbie’ Blasts Off With $22.3M in Previews, ‘Oppenheimer’ Rakes in $10.5M
If traffic stays this strong, 'Barbie' could open to a gigantic $150 million-plus over the weekend, followed by a sizable $75 million for 'Oppenheimer.'
Top 5 preview numbers this year:
Badlucktroll
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FunkMiller
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ForAcademicPurposes
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Slicker than your average
Banned
Burger king does the best tie in promotions
CityHunter1981
Member
I live in Japan and it seems it’s not even decided yet when Oppenheimer will be released here.
I mean it’s understandably anyway a hard sell in Japan. It’s just a feeling awful movie here in Japan. I remember going here to a nuklear bomb museum and that was already hard to see even for me as a foreigner.
I mean it’s understandably anyway a hard sell in Japan. It’s just a feeling awful movie here in Japan. I remember going here to a nuklear bomb museum and that was already hard to see even for me as a foreigner.
The Sum of Zero
Member
Barbenheimer is fine but what about
They really should re-run Oppenheimer when Godzilla Minus One releases lol.
They really should re-run Oppenheimer when Godzilla Minus One releases lol.
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3liteDragon
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Up it for both, Barbie's projected for a domestic opening of up to $170M & Oppenheimer at $95M.
'Oppenheimer' Ignites With Massive $10.5 Million at Thursday Box Office
Christopher Nolan's latest epic is aiming to open on par with 'Interstellar' and 'Dunkirk'
www.thewrap.com
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Fake
Member
This thread is crazy.
Two threats to the humanity. Is just natural.
BlackTron
Member
Given what intel we already had about the Barbie movie, I'm surprised so many people from GAF were willing to go see it. As a movie about a little girls toy with a political message crammed into it, I wouldn't reward this with my money on mere principle, even if I had curiosity to check it out just for being fun (of which I have little, because it's Barbie.)
I wish Oppenheimer, a real ass film with historical accuracy, had 150m and Barbie, a movie about a toy tailored to deliver a political message and is not even appropriate for kids, had fucking nothing.
I wish Oppenheimer, a real ass film with historical accuracy, had 150m and Barbie, a movie about a toy tailored to deliver a political message and is not even appropriate for kids, had fucking nothing.
No R-rated movie has ever pulled a $150 million opening weekend. It's tracking around $75 million, so around #12 all-time for an R rated opening despite coming out opposite the biggest movie of the year, which took most of the available screens in theaters.
Wouldn't surprise me if the total gross ends up in the top 5.
BlackTron
Member
No R-rated movie has ever pulled a $150 million opening weekend. It's tracking around $75 million, so around #12 all-time for an R rated opening despite coming out opposite the biggest movie of the year, which took most of the available screens in theaters.
Wouldn't surprise me if the total gross ends up in the top 5.
For being R rated and being up against Barbie, it's actually doing pretty great. But TBH I really pulled "150m" out of my ass, I just think we shouldn't be rewarding these movies we know are bad "just to check it out". By the time we've seen it, they already have our money. I'll wait until I have the opportunity to see it for free, if I ever watch it.
Ultimately it's all entertainment. People will go see it if they think they'll have a good time.
FunkMiller
Member
If you listen very closely, you can hear the screams of panic from all the financiers who have lots of superhero movies planned….
Kilau
Member
Being a two parter killed my excitement to see it in the theater.
VideoGameEnjoyer
Member
Go woke, go on to be a record breaking smash hit with rave reviews from both audience and critics. And Nolan continues to be box office gold.
Loved Oppenheimer last night. Excited to see Barbie later this week.
Loved Oppenheimer last night. Excited to see Barbie later this week.
Tams
Member
I've been to both atomic bomb museums.
They're moving for a while, but it gets boring seeing just endless 'look how awful atomic weapons are', even 'woe is me' after a while, without any so much as an acknowledgment as to why the bombs might have been dropped.
Very selective memory of history there with no nuance.
Germany approach what happened there much better.
Toons
Member
I mean, ones a massive toyline and ones a biopic, which has always been a thing, but I agree that this variety can only be healthy.
CityHunter1981
Member
Selective memory is also a common problem with American museums. They will always try to avoid showing certain things.