I think Topo is in front 5-4 against Flux.
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Batman [Mafia] |OT| The mafia game Gafia deserves , but not the one it needs
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I think Topo is in front 5-4 against Flux.
By 1 I think, yes
I never said this, stop making shit up to suit your narrative.
And yes, I still say Xamtheking is relatively suspicious. Yet, he is still one of the people I want to see lynched the least on D1.
How in the world do you read:
...in what I said? Explain that first.
"Good vibes are a lie. Bad vibes are a lie." -> All vibes are a lie -> everyone lies. That implies distrust in what everyone is saying, which calls back to my argument about the trust/distrust balance in a mafia game.
Quoting the reasoning again, ok sure, you didn't say anything about information, my mistake. The point though is you did some weird double speak here "I town read them but I don't"
No, that is not what I meant.
So many times people point to "this is obviously scummy play!" as a reason for a lynch in the early phases, and then that person ends up being town. The people who end up being scum? They're the ones who give off the good vibes or the ones who give off the vibes leaning in that direction. They have the allies, the knowledge and the cautious attitude to pull it off. Not to mention that their entire win condition revolves around that, and less so for town players.
I wasn't saying "everything is a lie." I was saying "the opposite of what people the majority tend to think is true."
Yep. It's more like I think lynching them at this point in time will result in a town flip due to the way they are playing and from the information we currently have. As time goes on, however, my stance on them will change and they will become more suitable for a lynch.
Just to make sure this doesn't go unnoticed. What is this? No comment on the current votes?
Hmmm, alright, though I'd still disagree with that. It feels like an unnecessarily greedy play to me to go against what you perceive as suspicious and instead aim at someone who's getting positive reads. In fact my rationale for leaning towards the side of trust in the early game also applies here, but sure, I don't think I'm in the majority for that opinion. Have you ever read about crowd wisdom?
Can you post any last minute opinions? Can you ask the batcomputer for a new list? Or would it output the same list?
This is a weird post. They will become more suitable for a lynch. As if there is no way that they can become less suitable. It can't be so easy that you are covering for teammates in that list but there is a disregard in this post for, trust I guess, like Fire is saying. You are positioning so hard that you trust no one.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
Well all I saw in that post was Topo with his hands up while he was being beat down in the corner, but if you think that it's enough to let Topo go, be my guest. I'm not gonna follow, though.
Agreed to an extent. While there is defiantly a few players who'll fuck up and give away the game early, the best scum players are usually good town players, but I still think that, even in the likely event that Topo's town, that his rhetoric and attitude just aren't conductive to town and are only gonna drag us down the further we go.
Cold
Pretty sure it was in response to this:
Well, I think calling Mazre's D1 actions a "gambit" is really reaching. Claiming you're an ordinary on D1 is nothing to write about, especially in this current environment where votes are flying around and someone is already roleplaying Batman.
What I think is that people saw Mazre's appearance on the Batcomputer scum list as a tiny green light to keep pushing the topic.
What I think is that people saw Mazre's appearance on the Batcomputer scum list as a tiny green light to keep pushing the topic.
I'm not going to mourn Topo's loss if we have to fall in that direction to avoid a tie but I think Flux is more likely to be scum. It's as simple as that. Topo isn't even enough to show on my top scum list but yeah, I'd lean him closer to scum than town if I really had to think about it so I can't say is actively defend him.
Can a player become more trustworthy in my eyes when I've already said I don't want to see them lynched? It only goes downhill from there if it isn't constant. Nothing is 100% unless they're a Princess, so I'm treating things as such. It's not relentless doubt, like you're trying to portray it as.
This is 100% honest. I care so little about your bat computer that I forgot Mazre was even a bolder. It's not much of a gambit and it's extremely easy to show up later and post a little sheet showing who commented on it and who didn't but it did breed discussion and probably with less collateral than your bat computer since we now have at least one sheep on Topo based only on your list.
An investigation tends to make people more trustworthy. I trust Fire a good amount but the shadow of doubt would drop off more with a clean investigation. You definitely took the distrusting stance. I'm not even saying that's wrong or further reason for my vote. It's just an observation I see of what might be bad play.
Let sleeping sheep lie, then
Clever, it's something for tomorrow at least. I'll concede that point to you.
Xamtheking
Member
Trigger, can I get some more detail on reasons for the el topo vote?
That means it's also time to get your bets in, guys and gals! Here's where my money's at: Flux will continue to wax philosophical with Sorian, the sheer boredom of it all will convince people to stick with El Topo based on read list semantics and batcomputer shit, and ultimately the Topester flips town! This'll be quite a show, folks!
Can I double your bet with my own money?
So you expect that Topo is town?
You're in luck, as it's double-or-nothing night - we double down and ultimately learn nothing!
I know that's how Day 1 seems to go in every game on here. He's probably the doctor.
I'm not asking how games seem to go. I'm asking what you think. I asked earlier and you said it was possible but your money (figuratively) is that he isn't scum?
It's more likely that he's scum than Mazre or Flux is. Odds are we're all just wrong because it's Day 1 and he's just an uninterested vanilla townie, but I hope he's scum. Are you hoping to swing the vote onto someone else?
weemadarthur
Member
I've heard about that but never seen it live.
If he's important he should really try to defend himself, or contribute, or something.
At this late stage, I think it would be irresponsible to swing votes especially since we've had quite a few say they were gone because of Easter or family or whatever. But you have Trigget have jumped higher on my list. You because you seem to be having an easier time hitting probable town and Trigger for that weak sheeping and actually using the bat computer as real reasoning for it. Sky should be going higher too but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and falling for into this bat computer trap with no reasoning behind it could be scummy or newbiness.
Because I know that my vote will go on you to avoid ties I'll answer this question too so it's ok record. I think there is a minute possibility that you are scum and you back pedaled on your bad opinion on reads after posting without thinking. If you are town though, the people who voted for you after you became a real contender but before now, especially those with no reasoning or who kept preparing us for you to be town are definitely people of interest tomorrow.
Hey, I'm not exactly fully trusting Karkador here. It is interesting and plausible enough to focus on one candidate who was already high on my scum list. Clearly demonstrating that Kark is an evil lying cat is on my list of possible outcomes. Of course, to answer El topo's question: sorry, but I can't disclose the answer to your question just yet. I think I should wait until Kark actually stands by the Batcomputer on Day 2, assuming you are lynched today. Eventually, be it in the wrap up or in the dead thread, I will give a full run-down on my logic from beginning to end. There are some crazy scenarios I have been considering that are even less likely than Kark being fully honest.
I am fully aware that history may remember me as a gullible idiot, but I am having too much fun to care right now.
Ok, let's try this. Can you post reasoning (or quote if you have already) your actual reasoning on Topo sans bat computer non sense? I've seen you say in both this post and your big one on testing Topo that he was already high on your scum list. Why?
CURRENT VOTE COUNT:
fireblend (0)
sorian 127 (146)
weemadarthur 147 (165)
karkador (0)
flame_ac 128 (439)
camjo-z 356 (511)
weemadarthur (0)
fireblend 139 (303)
camjo-z 511 (598)
sorian (0)
skyodin 141 (523)
trigger (0)
sorian 146 (239)
tl21xx (0)
weemadarthur 165 (304)
no lynch (0)
karkador 209 (226)
camjo-z (2)
karu 219
coppanuva 577
pop-o-matic (1)
trigger 236 (488)
fluxwavez 582 (649)
fluxwavez 662
thegoddamn (0)
sorian 239 (310)
mazre (1)
xamtheking 256 (619)
fireblend 303 (506)
thegoddamn 390
flame_ac 439 (571)
el topo (5)
weemadarthur 304
skyodin 523
pop-o-matic 647
flame_ac 661
trigger 687
coppanuva (0)
sorian 310 (544)
fluxwavez (4)
ty4on 499
sorian 544
flame_ac 571 (587)
xamtheking 619
tl21xx 622
fireblend 627 (639)
xamtheking (2)
fireblend 507 (627)
camjo-z 598
fireblend 639
skyodin (1)
karkador 575
10 votes for majority
Day 1 ends:
fireblend (0)
karkador (0)
weemadarthur (0)
sorian (0)
trigger (0)
tl21xx (0)
no lynch (0)
camjo-z (2)
karu 219
coppanuva 577
pop-o-matic (1)
fluxwavez 662
thegoddamn (0)
mazre (1)
thegoddamn 390
el topo (5)
weemadarthur 304
skyodin 523
pop-o-matic 647
flame_ac 661
trigger 687
coppanuva (0)
fluxwavez (4)
ty4on 499
sorian 544
xamtheking 619
tl21xx 622
xamtheking (2)
camjo-z 598
fireblend 639
skyodin (1)
karkador 575
10 votes for majority
Day 1 ends:
I figured you were looking for a way to have me jump up your list based on your questions towards me. Look, we're not going to be hitting scum everyday, sometimes we're gonna hit town, especially on Day 1. Right now, anyone could be leading in votes and I'd still say they were probably town because, in all honesty, there's so little to go on that reads or anything are very weak right now. The scum candidates I posted earlier are simply a "I think these people are slightly less likely to be town than the rest". So, if you think I'm having an easy time hitting town, it's because I know that we're probably going to be wrong no matter who we choose today and I've already made peace with that, it's standard Day 1 stuff.
Here is the post where I laid out my initial reasoning for my vote:
I still stand by this logic. El topo's main contributions to the thread have been using some scare tactics early on against read lists and other forms of contributions, and he was very defensive against people prodding him. Most of his posts in the this thread have been entirely about defending himself from accusations, and he hasn't followed trough on various promises to contribute more. Even now, his last few posts have been fairly weak defenses, without even much attempt to highlight a good alternate target.
Sorian, I know that you yourself have been very suspicious of El topo. You've said yourself that you have no desire to defend him, even if he wasn't one of the people on your main list of targets. I think other people have been suspicious of him too. I don't think it is very strange to find his actions scummy and defense lacking.
I know that there is a decent chance that he isn't scum. I just think he is my best guess right now, and there hasn't been another candidate who has appeared that I've been sold on.
If you think that there is a better lynch candidate, I'm all ears. Though I think I've already said my piece about FluxWaveZ.
I'm obviously going back and forth on Topo. I was more skeptical of him just a few hours ago. Topo wasn't an interesting vote until Flux started picking up steam. I could pretend one is more well reasoned that another but both sets of votes have sheep on them (trigger and Xam specifically) but from my angle, it looks like the Topo vote grew easily to combat the growing numbers on Flux.
I think it is safe to say that scum could be bandwagoning on either vote, or even on both. We are going to have to have everyone justify themselves again come Day 2, no matter where this vote ends up. I mostly want to avoid a tie vote. The 4-way tie at two votes each late last night was making me pretty nervous.
Xamtheking
Member
This is what happens when the only posts you look at are the ones that mention you
Ooh, burn. Man you're clever.
Karu, Coppa, Kark, The Goddamm and Camjo-z:
Between El Topo and Flux, who are you most likely to vote for in the case of a tie?
We are at 6v4 leaning towards Topo (assuming Flux changes his vote to Topo to avoid getting lynched), so it'd be good to get a clear picture of how this vote is going to go down if the thread stays its course.
I'd be more willing to vote Flux, but will vote Topo if that's the way it's heading in the last half hour or so to avoid a tie, obviously.
Between El Topo and Flux, who are you most likely to vote for in the case of a tie?
We are at 6v4 leaning towards Topo (assuming Flux changes his vote to Topo to avoid getting lynched), so it'd be good to get a clear picture of how this vote is going to go down if the thread stays its course.
I'd be more willing to vote Flux, but will vote Topo if that's the way it's heading in the last half hour or so to avoid a tie, obviously.
Xamtheking
Member
I'm just a parrot that can type on a computer
Daylight saving going into effect fucked with the timers before
We are in the final hour.I will not change my vote on El Topo, or anyone else to save myself. Couldn't care less about that.
Daylight saving going into effect fucked with the timers before
Gotcha, thought that would only be for the specific region mentioned before.
Roy went through European version of daylight savings time I believe.