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Who told you it’s only a couple of days work?
Basic math, precedence for this type of work?
Who told you it’s only a couple of days work?
People with excpetional talent are not paid solely by the amount of time that they work. That is a rather reductive way to view the work of an actor. They are paid not just for the amount of work but also by the strength of their name and the quality of their work. Her voice is in regards to Bayonetta is rather iconic and goes hand in hand with the character, so her name's attachment to the project is significant. Additionally, the quality of her work has been top notch.
Why so many acting like she's just some dime-a-dozen employee punching out at the end of the day?
Enough.How much should she have been paid?
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Experienced video game voice actors will receive $200 to $350 an hour or $50 to $200 per 100 words for their video game voice acting work.
Novice voice actors earn between $1 and $5 per 100 words. Video game voice actors are also eligible for bonuses up to $2,100.
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Whats enough money? Explain, put a figure on what you think its worth.Enough.
Twitch streamers get paid millions of money just to be obnoxious in front of the camera. And for some reason they can't afford give her enough of money? That's exploitation nothing else. "Well if you don't accept it there is a lot of people to be exploited out there"
That's fucked up
Is bayonetta a top selling game that warrants a higher price tag on their voice acting?People with excpetional talent are not paid solely by the amount of time that they work. That is a rather reductive way to view the work of an actor. They are paid not just for the amount of work but also by the strength of their name and the quality of their work. Her voice is in regards to Bayonetta is rather iconic and goes hand in hand with the character, so her name's attachment to the project is significant. Additionally, the quality of her work has been top notch.
Why so many acting like she's just some dime-a-dozen employee punching out at the end of the day?
Enough.
Twitch streamers get paid millions of money just to be obnoxious in front of the camera. And for some reason they can't afford give her enough of money? That's exploitation nothing else. "Well if you don't accept it there is a lot of people to be exploited out there"
That's fucked up
How much is enough? if you know how much isn't enough surely you have an idea of how much is. People are so indignant but nobody will guess what it's worth.Enough.
Twitch streamers get paid millions of money just to be obnoxious in front of the camera. And for some reason they can't afford give her enough of money? That's exploitation nothing else. "Well if you don't accept it there is a lot of people to be exploited out there"
That's fucked up
How much is enough? if you know how much isn't enough surely you have an idea of how much is. People are so indignant but nobody will guess what it's worth.
Twitch streamers are paid by simps. If she wants Twitch streamer money she needs to get her tits out like Twitch streamers and build a following I guess.
$200 to $350 an hour is fucked up? And why compare Twitch streamers to voice actors at all? Not the same profession. That's like comparing someone in theater to Jerry Springer.
In communism we won’t have these problems.How much is enough? if you know how much isn't enough surely you have an idea of how much is. People are so indignant but nobody will guess what it's worth.
Twitch streamers are paid by simps. If she wants Twitch streamer money she needs to get her tits out like Twitch streamers and build a following I guess.
Stop trying to defend this crap. This is straight exploitation
I'm not comparing jobs. I'm comparing the affordability these companies have.
People like you is why we as a society are explored by the rich and the government.
You crazy and talking nonsense.In communism we won’t have these problems.
Why because she isn’t scarlet Johansson? Wtf I work in IT. Should I be comparing my wages to Gates, Bezos and Musk?
What world would that make sense?
It isn’t exploitation. She had a choice she chose not to do the work.
Why should an employer pay people what they think they are worth and not actually the value of their work?
She isn’t in a blockbuster movie.
Give me brake backseat mod.Well then you are way off topic and politics isn't allowed on GAF. You know this.
Give me brake backseat mod.
You are like a child and don’t understand how economics works.You crazy and talking nonsense.
She's a lead roll of a game that made millions. And if she was irrelevant people wouldn't notice straight away when she got replaced. The same way people were pissed when they replaced David hater. That work is worth something. I'm not even suggesting that she should get paid millions. She is a lead role in a successful video game. Definitely made millions. There is absolutely no change bayo isn't profitable if the lead role gets 4k. Imagine what the less relevant people get paid. Fuck out here. That's a problem in this industry. Where the "business man" exploit the talent to get even more richer
Give me brake backseat mod.
Yes. It takes little to no talent. It is something nearly anyone can do. Even the ones that do it as main income they are probably doing all sorts of gigs.If voice actors get paid that little it’s a joke of a career. What the fuck is 4 thousand gonna do for anyone? How much voice work is actually available to make a living? I doubt nintendo or whoever is paying that little for any similar character that popular. That’s where my issue is with this situation.
You are naive as hell lolYou are like a child and don’t understand how economics works.
What did she risk and why is she entitled to more money?
When a game makes millions it also has a budged of millions.
In order to have a real discussion we would have to actually see the numbers.
Otherwise this is all specilation. No matter how it makes you feel.
Budgets are a thing for a reason. You can’t give people more money to every person because of some made up ideal.
Tough decisions have to be made.
There's a difference in a lead role and a videogame and a lead role in a movie.You crazy and talking nonsense.
She's a lead roll of a game that made millions. And if she was irrelevant people wouldn't notice straight away when she got replaced. The same way people were pissed when they replaced David hater. That work is worth something. I'm not even suggesting that she should get paid millions. She is a lead role in a successful video game. Definitely made millions. There is absolutely no change bayo isn't profitable if the lead role gets 4k. Imagine what the less relevant people get paid. Fuck out here. That's a problem in this industry. Where the "business man" exploit the talent to get even more richer
Give me brake backseat mod.
Yes. It takes little to no talent. It is something nearly anyone can do. Even the ones that do it as main income they are probably doing all sorts of gigs.
$4000 is probably for 20 hours of work. Why should she make a living wage in a few hours of work?
So 2 games. like what five days graft. Hardly Luke skywalker is she.She's been voicing Bayonetta for 13 years, since she debuted. And not just in her mainline games, but even cameos and crossovers. Hellena's iconic voice for Bayonetta contributed to her growth as an iconic and beloved character in gaming. Not to mention this is a game that's published by Nintendo, so you know they've got the money to pay her very well.
If you really think $4000 for a gig like this isn't bullshit, you really need to consider all of the above circumstances here.
This might be a contender for the dumbest thing I've read on Gaf this year. That is no small feat.
Stop trying to defend this crap. This is straight exploitation
I'm not comparing jobs. I'm comparing the affordability these companies have.
People like you is why we as a society are explored by the rich and the government.
she's not earning the millions she somehow thinks she entitled to?
Stop trying to defend this crap. This is straight exploitation
I'm not comparing jobs. I'm comparing the affordability these companies have.
People like you is why we as a society are explored by the rich and the government.
And the oil company making millions i work for means that i deserve more as well right?Step back and think. Just a bit.
I'm pretty sure Nintendo/platinum can't afford what? 10k? 20k? Hell 100k. Poor little Nintendo/platinum
She should receive a fair amount on how successful the game is. Voice acting is art there isn't a price tag on it.I'm not trying to defend anything. I just want to know what you think is enough. You obviously have some sort of insider knowledge of these negotiations so you know how much work this was. Given the information in that tweet what is a fair number?
These folks are unionized. Surely SAG/AFTRA was involved in the negotiations. She hasn't done video game voiceover work since 2014. She doesn't seem to have done any notable mainstream film or voice acting work since 2014. It's possible that the person you're lifting up as the arbitrary standard here can get a better rate since his career is still active.
So tell us what you think she should have received. Put your number out there. What would have been fair for this role?
How is that even comparable lolAnd the oil company making millions i work for means that i deserve more as well right?
she got offered a job and turned it down, you know, the way the world works. Boo fucking hoo
You don’t seem to be too familiar with Bayonetta’s sales! It’s bad, so bad Sega refused to fund their own IP and was turned down by everyone even both Sony and Ms said no.You are naive as hell lol
Let me tell you one thing. No game that dont make millions in profit would have being made 3 times. Or have animes, merchandises and spin offs. That's how much I know about economics.
If voice actors get paid that little it’s a joke of a career. What the fuck is 4 thousand gonna do for anyone? How much voice work is actually available to make a living? I doubt nintendo or whoever is paying that little for any similar character that popular. That’s where my issue is with this situation.
2 mainline games, about 2-3 crossovers, and an anime movie. Would've taken you 10 seconds to google that.So 2 games. like what five days graft. Hardly Luke skywalker is she.
How much audio have you recorded?She's been voicing Bayonetta for 13 years, since she debuted. And not just in her mainline games, but even cameos and crossovers. Hellena's iconic voice for Bayonetta contributed to her growth as an iconic and beloved character in gaming. Not to mention this is a game that's published by Nintendo, so you know they've got the money to pay her very well.
If you really think $4000 for a gig like this isn't bullshit, you really need to consider all of the above circumstances here.
This might be a contender for the dumbest thing I've read on Gaf this year. That is no small feat.
Does a MacDonalds worker get paid on how many burgers he sells?She should receive a fair amount on how successful the game is. Voice acting is art there isn't a price tag on it.
Is like athletes, they get paid according to their performance. Dismissing her role in the creation of the character like bayonets os insane. Bayo is one of the few character out there that people recognise straight away just by hearing her voice. She had a very important role in the character. I'm not even huge fan of the games like many others by I can recognise these characters from the voice actors performance.
People out here with their hyperbole takes that she's claiming millions.
So about 3 weeks work in 13 years what a gig.2 mainline games, about 2-3 crossovers, and an anime movie. Would've taken you 10 seconds to google that.
Who's comparing her to Luke Skywalker?
Does a Macdonalnds worker get paid on how many burgers he sells?
Get real. im a contract worker, you get offered a job and you accept the contact, do the work and get paid. You can't moan like a bitch if the work you've done under contract makes the company bank. its what they hired you to do. Don't like it? take a different contract, there no crime here.
Just one point of view here, as a consumer of Bayonetta games, the English VA is not something I considered important to my purchase.She's been voicing Bayonetta for 13 years, since she debuted. And not just in her mainline games, but even cameos and crossovers. Hellena's iconic voice for Bayonetta contributed to her growth as an iconic and beloved character in gaming. Not to mention this is a game that's published by Nintendo, so you know they've got the money to pay her very well.
If you really think $4000 for a gig like this isn't bullshit, you really need to consider all of the above circumstances here.
She voices a marginal videogame character 99% of the world have never heard of and can be as easily replaced as the dude putting the cheese on big macs. Hence why they wanted to pay her $4000. The sales of the game will be in no way be affected by who voices bayonetta.For fuck sake.
Voice actors are artists. They aren't in the same category as McDonald's workers
Anyone can follow a recipe.
Voice actors or any actor or artist are unique. They participate on the development of the character.
How can't this fly over your head?
The proper thing to do would be to tell her “hey sorry, we don’t have the budget to bring you back.”She voices a marginal videogame character 99% of the world have never heard of and can be as easily replaced as the dude putting the cheese on big macs. Hence why they wanted to pay her $4000. The sales of the game will be in no way be affected by who voices bayonetta.
For fuck sake.
Voice actors are artists. They aren't in the same category as McDonald's workers
Anyone can follow a recipe.
Voice actors or any actor or artist are unique. They participate on the development of the character.
How can't this fly over your head?
Did they pay the new VA $4k like they tried to pay the old one?
Well, in that case you should probably look up how successful Bayonetta has been. The whole mystifying of acting as some kind of art which you can't put a price tag on is ridiculous. You absolutely can, as you can with every other service.She should receive a fair amount on how successful the game is. Voice acting is art there isn't a price tag on it.
The comparison to Athletes doesn't work at all. Athletes are paid by sponsors, and thus they get paid by how much brand awareness they create. This is not at all comparable to this situation. Yes, her contribution to Bayonetta as a character is big. But what does that mean? It means she contributed to a character in a low selling franchise. A franchise of which most people probably consider to have a terrible, throwaway story with terrible dialogue that has cutscenes that only serves to set the stage for the actual selling points of the game: Every other aspect of it. Nobody buys this game for the performance of the actors.Is like athletes, they get paid according to their performance. Dismissing her role in the creation of the character like bayonets os insane. Bayo is one of the few character out there that people recognise straight away just by hearing her voice. She had a very important role in the character. I'm not even huge fan of the games like many others by I can recognise these characters from the voice actors performance.
People out here with their hyperbole takes that she's claiming millions.
Ok? no need to go booing about it an looking for sympathy. Move on and go and work elsewhere like everybody else.The proper thing to do would be to tell her “hey sorry, we don’t have the budget to bring you back.”
Don’t insult someone by lowballing them. If the going rate for a project is 30k and someone offered to pay me 4k or some similar fraction I’d tell them to eat shit too.
Yet people notice straight away about the voice change shrugs. Why do you care if the game sales will be affected by this or not? Instead of looking at bigger picture where people who work on the hobby you enjoy getting severe underpaid by the corporate greedy. This isnt just Nintendo or platinum. That's clearly industry wide problem. Just because you are easily replaced doesn't mean shoud be unfairly paid.She voices a marginal videogame character 99% of the world have never heard of and can be as easily replaced as the dude putting the cheese on big macs. Hence why they wanted to pay her $4000. The sales of the game will be in no way be affected by who voices bayonetta.
Doesn't sound like they lowballed her at all here...The proper thing to do would be to tell her “hey sorry, we don’t have the budget to bring you back.”
Don’t insult someone by lowballing them. If the going rate for a project is 30k and someone offered to pay me 4k or some similar fraction I’d tell them to eat shit too.
You might not need to, but you probably have a reason to explain your position when your role is recast and fans want to know why, and probably have some professional feelings about the company that tried to do you dirty to let others know.Ok? no need to go booing about it an looking for sympathy. Move on and go and work elsewhere like everybody else.
I missed the bit where she was unfairly paid? they offered her a job and she turned it down? You guys seem to think shes making sneekers in cambodia or some shit lol.Yet people notice straight away about the voice change shrugs. Why do you care if the game sales will be affected by this or not? Instead of looking at bigger picture where people who work on the hobby you enjoy getting severe underpaid by the corporate greedy. This isnt just Nintendo or platinum. That's clearly industry wide problem. Just because you are easily replaced doesn't mean shoud be unfairly paid.
You can ask that question for a lot of professions.Yes. It takes little to no talent. It is something nearly anyone can do. Even the ones that do it as main income they are probably doing all sorts of gigs.
$4000 is probably for 20 hours of work. Why should she make a living wage in a few hours of work?
If you’re not a trolling with this then you’re the one who needs to get the helpDoesn't sound like they lowballed her at all here...
Sounds like she has some serious mental illness and needs some help rather than keyboard warriors fighting her financial battle for her.
I hope she gets the help she needs before something more drastic happens. People shouldn't egg her on.