-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
BBC: "Colorado to arm teachers in classrooms"
- Thread starter Bright-Light
- Start date
///PATRIOT
Banned
I like your idea.I've got this and no guns needed:
Every individual entering the school premises will be placed inside bulletproof glass cubicles that slide on the ground with you as you move.
Ampersands
Member
Funding for schools is drying up so let's spend it on guns!
wvnative
Member
Yeah figures liberal gaf would not like this.
But truth be told, assuming these teachers are comfortable with guns and have some training, incidents like Sandy Hook would have had a lot less of a body count.
If you want to protect the schools, hire and train more police officers and station them in the schools. Do not encourage vigilante justice from teachers that don't have adequate training. They aren't law enforcement personale and should not be charged with protecting students against an active shooter.
This is dumb both for the safety of students as well as teachers. Teachers should not be doing the job of cops.
This is dumb both for the safety of students as well as teachers. Teachers should not be doing the job of cops.
wvnative
Member
This is without a doubt the best solution, but hardly the most practical. Police districts are strained as is, how are they gonna find resources to pay more cops that they can't spare to station multiple cops per school in a given county?
That would ultimately come at a cost of less officers patrolling the streets.
ArkkAngel007
Member
They are [supposedly] being trained, and how is it vigilante justice?
That said, I agree that if they are that concerned than metal detectors or security personnel on site would be a better solution. Plus have better trained counselors to preemptively deal with issues before they reach such a point.
Verhoeven is actually a time traveling historian from the future. His films are actually documentaries.
I guarantee that a child will be killed due to this policy well before any school shooting is averted. Teachers snap just like anyone else, and giving them a gun is about the last thing you'd want to do when they do, not to mention that it's not entirely impossible that a student will take a weapon away from a teacher (whether maliciously or not), which is another disaster waiting to happen.
If I had a kid in that district, I'd refuse to let them attend school there. Students have a right to feel safe in their classes, and putting dangerous weapons in the hands of their teachers isn't going to do that, but rather the opposite.
If I had a kid in that district, I'd refuse to let them attend school there. Students have a right to feel safe in their classes, and putting dangerous weapons in the hands of their teachers isn't going to do that, but rather the opposite.
Coinspinner
Member
I wonder how long it'll be before a teacher shoots a student.
Colorado? Can't wait to see South Park's take on this.
I am a ghoul.
Steeped in a Sea of Games
Member
3 days of intensive training. Man, they'll all be stone-cold expert marksmen by the end of that!
Don't think they'll have legal immunity too murder whomstever they want tho, so that could be a problem
Karsticles
Member
Give the baby a gun so it can shoot its mother in self-defense if she tries to get an abortion. Problem solved.
old manatee
Banned
They should be wearing body cameras.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Do you actually understand how much constant training it takes to be proficient with a firearm and be able to make snap decisions and proper aim, let alone getting the gun out of a holster?
Where is the firearm located? Is it visible in a holster outside of the teachers dress/clothing? Is it concealed? Right there is a huge difference, armed shooter walks into a classroom and it would take less than a second to blow an armed teacher away, as she/he was panicking trying to reach into their concealed holster, because the last time they practiced proper technique was three months ago.
But yes, lets pretend that a teacher with a gun would magically prevent a mass shooting, lets live in that fantasy world. I bet our kids will feel really safe knowing their teacher is packing heat, what a great learning environment!
"Some training", you know that it takes constant training, right? Yes, lets give weapons to teachers with "some training", sounds like a great idea, what could go wrong? "Don't worry about your kids, I have some training with this deadly firearm!"
It's a joke, and anyone who takes a few seconds of "some thought" knows it's a joke, and anyone who goes "lol liberals" is a joke. So that's a long way of saying you're a joke.
Yes because its not like America has an issue with guns and guns violence and as we all know, more guns always solves that problem. Every time we increase the amount of guns in the population more and more mass shootings and similar incidents are averted... oh wait...
Darkstorne
Member
And the rest of the world is confused about why you don't see banning guns as the best way to reduce shootings. It's literally the best way to guarantee LESS shootings, whereas adding more guns to the equation just seems like it creates more risks and hazards. "Too many guns in the US, making schools a dangerous place? I know! More guns will solve this issue!"
The recent attacks on London Bridge in the U.K. are a good example of this. The vast majority of criminals won't have access to guns, so will use knives instead. Far fewer people die as a result, and it's a much safer situation for armed police to bring under control, so they can do their jobs faster and safer. With guns, London Bridge would likely have had a much higher death toll. Without guns, Sandy Hook would likely have had a significantly lower death toll, but for some reason a lot of Americans freak out at the thought of not being allowed to buy weapons of violence any more. You guys need new hobbies.
JetBlackPanda
Member
So its a right vs. left thing for you huh? ok.
Also something about your post and the term body count when talking about children just makes me sick.
yanipheonu
Member
I'll at least say that actually training in dealing with a shooter is better than the Good Guy with a Gun theory that never pans out in real life.
But even with training, the chances of them actually stopping a shooting is pretty low. Gun advocates are slow to point out the lack of actual shootings stopped with a bystander's gun.
But even with training, the chances of them actually stopping a shooting is pretty low. Gun advocates are slow to point out the lack of actual shootings stopped with a bystander's gun.
ColdDeckEd
Member
Great thinking. Extra guns and ammo for the next school shooter to get their hands on for when they start running out. Fucking idiots.
CosmicGroinPull
Member
Gunkata training for all.
Nice troll, junior.
There are conservatives who are for gun control and even liberals who believe in owning firearms but imposing good regulation, which the U.S. does not have.
We do not need more guns in schools.
Aizo
Banned
Don't let reports like this color your opinion of a whole region or state. You'd be surprised by how progressive parts of Colorado are. It's technically a swing state, but it's been leaning democratic for a the past few years. It was one of the first two states to legalize marijuana. It is also where one of the worst and first big school shootings occurred and received a ton of media attention. This gun thing is kind of out of left field depending on where in the state you're familiar with.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Ok I have never understood this "logic" but how does a person with a gun counteract a shooter and not just make it worse and more confusing without proper training and uniform?
How do the police responders know who the bad guy is
Hell lets throw in gun guy #3 mister vigilante sovereign citizen who does he know who to shoot
help
How do the police responders know who the bad guy is
Hell lets throw in gun guy #3 mister vigilante sovereign citizen who does he know who to shoot
help
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Whoever bleeds more red, white and blue is the good guy
DontBeThatGuy
Member
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Liberal?
I'm a fucking Capital Socialist and I hate this idea.
Also, that second statement, bullshit. Not only do you have crazy ass shooters in the school (armed with second-amendment protected weaponry cause 'Murica!), now you have dozens of hysterically freaked out adults armed with MORE guns in a panicked situation, all with minimal training (three days is not enough), to somehow fucking handle a shooter situation. You think the guns are gonna deteriorate the shooters from committing these crimes? 9 out 10 times the shooters don't give a single fuck if they come out of it dead or alive, they are often depressed and psychologically broken people with access to guns (SECOND AMENDMENT YEEHAW) who have one single goal in mind, to go in and kill as many as possible before they themselves die.
You truly wanna solve this problem?
Take a note from the rest of the entire world and start banning guns. Not pour more guns onto the problem!
killer rin
Member
Calling it now, somebody is going to get shot when these get pushed.
Guaranteed either one will accidentally go off and hit somebody, a teacher is going to leave it out and a student is going to find it and use it, or a teacher will get beyond stressed with a weapon in hand.
Guaranteed either one will accidentally go off and hit somebody, a teacher is going to leave it out and a student is going to find it and use it, or a teacher will get beyond stressed with a weapon in hand.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
We already have incidents of armed security guards and police officers leaving loaded weapons in bathrooms.
As well as beating the shit out of black kids.
More guns please!
As well as beating the shit out of black kids.
More guns please!
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The american fascination with guns has and will always continue to puzzle me. Despite all the gun related deaths and injuries annually, this country keeps propagating shit like this.
It baffles the mind.
It baffles the mind.
Even if they did learn how to use a gun well, can you even imagine teachers being asked to do everything that comes with that?
A teacher's job interview would be like:
"Why do you want to be a teacher?"
"Well, I like working with kids and I want to help them learn."
"If a shooter appeared in the school, are you prepared to pull out your gun and have a shootout with them? Are you prepared to put your life on the line and KILL for your students!?"
"Uh..."
That's the job of a police/security officer, or bodyguard. Teachers aren't supposed to do that shit.
All of society should adopt this. It's the only way.I've got this and no guns needed:
Every individual entering the school premises will be placed inside bulletproof glass cubicles that slide on the ground with you as you move.
sixteen-bit
Member
seems like a bad idea
BrutishMrFish
Member
All things considered, that's an incredibly stupid thing to assume.
People don't become experts overnight, and teachers already have enough on their plate as is. You think they're going to have the time to get used to a gun?
Every time I see this argument get made I wonder if the people making it think that having a gun in your possession magically turns you into Batman.
wvnative
Member
In a place like Colorado, the vast majority of the community are gun-enthusiasts. Few people would need to get "used" to a gun.
Hopefully I didn't come across as thinking this is the perfect solution. I don't think it is. I think having multiple police officers stationed at a school at all times is the best solution. But since it doesn't look like that's happening any time soon, I believe this is the next best thing, so long as it's done responsibly.
Like, keep the gun in a bloody safe that ONLY the teacher knows the combination to. And do extensive background checks and psych evaluations on each teacher. Hell, don't even give a gun to every teacher, just a select few and maybe senior staff.
I just find it terrible that things like Sandy Hook happen, and nobody had a chance at defending themselves/the kids. No guns in the school for defense, no cops... just a fucking mindless slaughter of elementary kids.
Owning a gun doesn't at all mean you're at all going to be well versed in using it, let alone in a high stress mass shooting scenario.
M'kay. You might be oversimplifying a bit.
If only there were required to do some sort of training, maybe make it like 3 days?
Yes because we all turn into John McClaine after 3 days of training.
Khaos Kontrol
Banned
Our goddamn police force isn't, so I have no hope teachers will be.