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BBC TV lincense to be scrapped in 2027

FunkMiller

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Best, and most appropriate use of this meme in history:

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Wvrs

Member
It's gonna be met by applause in many circles but this is a net loss for the UK. Every country should have a (on paper) impartial public service broadcaster, and this is a nail in the coffin for that.

Same tactics they have been and will continue to use on the NHS. Defund, degrade, lambast and ultimately privatise a once world leader. Sad that people keep cheering on the total dismantlement of the UK, left and right.

The BBC should be reevaluated and reformed, but I don't agree with this effective death warrant at all.

Hopefully we'll have a new government in 2024 and this will prove toothless.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
All these publicly funded media channels are the biggest waste of money ever. The only silver lining (if someone wants to grasp at straws) is "well, it at least keeps people employed".

I dont care how "we got to be ethical and give viewers some local shit" a publicly funded channel is. If nobody is watching it, it means its a waste of money and shit content to boot.

But at least the UK situation is better than here in Canada where CBC gets like $1 billion in taxpayers money to fund junky shows nobody watches. Since their funding comes from taxes, you cant avoid paying into the CBC budget. I dont even watch their hockey telecasts. So I pay into the fund despite watching zero CBC shows. Last time I watched the channel for non-sports stuff was back in the 90s when they'd show reruns of The Simpsons and Fresh Prince. It was perfect. You'd watch Simpsons at 5 pm and Fresh at 5:30 and then dinnertime at 6 pm. And in the late 80s, reruns of Threes Company and Too Close for Comfort. EVERYONE watched those shows on CBC.

Fuck it. If some cable channel like AMC Classic Movie TV can survive and make money, how the hell can CBC get $1 billion+ taxpayer dollars and still need more money to survive?

Their best ratings and ad revenue comes from people watching hockey (at one time I think it was about 30% of ad revenue), but then they junked it after Rogers outbid them and had some kind of weird deal where they still do the telecast but the ad money goes to Rogers.

 
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p_xavier

Authorized Fister
All these publicly funded media channels are the biggest waste of money ever. The only silver lining (if someone wants to grasp at straws) is "well, it at least keeps people employed".

I dont care how "we got to be ethical and give viewers some local shit" a publicly funded channel is. If nobody is watching it, it means its a waste of money and shit content to boot.

But at least the UK situation is better than here in Canada where CBC gets like $1 billion in taxpayers money to fund junky shows nobody watches. Since their funding comes from taxes, you cant avoid paying into the CBC budget. I dont even watch their hockey telecasts. So I pay into the fund despite watching zero CBC shows. Last time I watched the channel for non-sports stuff was back in the 90s when they'd show reruns of The Simpsons and Fresh Prince. It was perfect. You'd watch Simpsons at 5 pm and Fresh at 5:30 and then dinnertime at 6 pm. And in the late 80s, reruns of Threes Company and Too Close for Comfort. EVERYONE watched those shows on CBC.

Fuck it. If some cable channel like AMC Classic Movie TV can survive and make money, how the hell can CBC get $1 billion+ taxpayer dollars and still need more money to survive?

Their best ratings and ad revenue comes from people watching hockey (at one time I think it was about 30% of ad revenue), but then they junked it after Rogers outbid them and had some kind of weird deal where they still do the telecast but the ad money goes to Rogers.

CBC went full woke, like the BBC. I can't stand identity politics and most can't either. At least the French equivalent didn't go into that direction, as of yet, as wokeness is still mostly an anglo thing.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
CBC went full woke, like the BBC. I can't stand identity politics and most can't either. At least the French equivalent didn't go into that direction, as of yet, as wokeness is still mostly an anglo thing.
Not entirely! A two year old article. Looks like Quebec held its ground. But English viewers said fuck it, were outta here.

Funny thing is all I watch (if I do) is hockey here and there. And even that has gone woke. Every game Ron McLeans and whomever fill the studio time with half analysis from Bieksa and Hrudey and half woke diversity segments. I dont even care so much about Don Cherry gone since he's repetitive with his anti-Russian and Boston Bruins stories, but HNIC turned into diversity training day 101 when all I want to hear during intermissions is some game analysis from retired players.

These slumping ratings mean slumping ad sales, the report says advertising revenue is down 21% overall — the decline in English Canada was actually much bigger, a 37% drop. If it were not for CBC’s French language division having a pretty good year, things would have been much worse.
 
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gradient

Resident Cheap Arse
I used to be in full support of the BBC and the licence fee. On paper it's something that any country should have and should be a great thing (as it once was) and a valuable source of entertainment and news free from the influence of commercial entities and political bias.

Unfortunately what we currently have and have had for the past 10 years is nothing of the sort. It's an ideological mess with clear political leanings and a desire to manipulate the conversation in favor of their own views and beliefs. The news in particular has fallen a long way and there is clear bias and manipulation of stories and events to suit their preferred narrative. As for the shows - it's all just a mess of ideological nonesense. I'll use Dr. Who as a prime example of how they have abandoned the idea of providing what people want and enjoy in favor of forcing what they have decided people should like and accept as enteratinment - even going so far as to deride and lecture any push back as "-ist" and "-ism"

A damn shame and I'll be sad to see the idea of what the BBC was meant to be die, but the BBC is very much responsible for the fall in support it has seen. It's a hot mess of nepotism, cronyism and self phallating elitists who rather than step outside their bubble and serve the licence payer are instead hellbent on abusing the licence fee and instituion as a means of feathering their own nests and pushing their own politics and views on everyone else.
 

Atrus

Gold Member
There’s value in impartial public broadcasting but what often happens is that it becomes its own bureaucracy that exists to serve and maintain itself.

They no longer feel accountable for government funds, no longer feel a desire to provide information or entertainment for the broader audience, and they no longer feel obliged to be neutral if that neutrality does not maximize funding.
 
Publicly funded media should be protectors of the populace against unlawful employment of state power by ensuring impartiality. Unfortunately the BBC has turned against its own people and violated the rule of political neutrality.
They also forever ruined Dr. Who, so I don't mind seeing them get taken down a notch. Maybe they'll finally put themselves into the service of their population again instead of turning into a propaganda machine.
 

nush

Member
Good news. The BBC stopped being impartial many years ago.

The Jimmy Saville coverup should have been the death of this cesspit. I’m glad it’s finally fucked.

And the rest, there was way more that happened than just Saville.
 
The BBC will just get their own back by saying they have to sack 5000 staff to handle the cuts. While paying cretins like Lineker over a million a year.
There's bound to be another upcoming television charge applied to our bills. When people are accustomed to paying for something, you don't simply stop asking for their money.
 

Tschumi

Member
I just hope their chef's kiss podcasts and international radio channel and British detective dramas and all that continue to get made. I don't get my political opinions from news channels.
 
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KAL2006

Banned
People that still watch it and don't want to get taken to court. Lots of grannies out there don't do streaming or even the internet.

I know about 10 people who have been watching BBC for years and they havent had a single fine or went to court.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
I dont follow BBC, but all I know is that BBC is supposed to be a trustworthy news source with no clickbaity titles where people would say if you want some unbiased views, skip US sites and go BBC.

I'm not going to argue with you guys with BBC experience, but if it has become woke-ish, thats a shame. I also had to google who Jim Savile is. Read his wiki. Wow.
 
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Ionian

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I dont follow BBC, but all I know is that BBC is supposed to be a trustworthy news source with no clickbaity titles where people would say if you want some unbiased views, skip US sites and go BBC.

I'm not going to argue with you guys with BBC experience, but if it has become woke-ish, thats a shame. I also had to google who Jim Savile is. Read his wiki. Wow.

It went like FOX news.

Saville was knighted after abusing children until his death.

Now the royal family is woke. One fucked off and said no thanks, just look at the sons of Charles.

One said fine I'll do it, other said i'll run. On Oprah. Dudes havn't grafted in their life.

Megan married money.
 

Stuart360

Member
I'll say one thing in defence of the BBC, they make some of the best documentaries in the world, arguably the best, and are well respected worldwide for their documentaries.
And thats the only good thing about them.
I dont watch BBC anyway (i dont really watch tv much really, i download or stream everything) but occasionally i'll stick BBC news on and i just get annoyed with the leftist take on everything. Same with the advertisements advertising coming shows presented by freaks and full of clown world trash.
 

YCoCg

Member
I'm not going to argue with you guys with BBC experience, but if it has become woke-ish, thats a shame.
It's actually split, TV shows and entertainment department went woke but the news went heavy right leaning and became government apologists. Which is ironic as they have both sides complaining about them! And because of that they've lost credibility, there was a recent justification for allowing flat earthers to share their viewpoints without being "challenged" because it's "fair".
 

Wildebeest

Member
BBC comedy maybe appears to skew a little "left wing" due to people like Frankie Boyle, but the news is centre right wing and pretty much always has been in my life. Got to say that the BBC used to have way more interesting content when they were not scared away from doing real reporting and edgy comedy by Tory governments not wanting any of their grime exposed to natural daylight, the tabloid press and their fake moral panics, and morons like Russel Brand doing his crude phone prank.
 

sankt-Antonio

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IMO public broadcast stations in DE are the only ones worth my time. Balanced reporting, mostly neutral. ARTE is just super awesome. Also “Kurzgesagt” is now part of public broadcasting (at least their DE web presences).

Would be shit if all broadcasting there is would be in the hands of private businesses.
 

Spaceman292

Banned
Yes all the shows suck, but what about the news? Fuck this. If they try this shit with the NHS then things are going to get molotov'd.
 

YCoCg

Member
Fuck this. If they try this shit with the NHS then things are going to get molotov'd.
No they won't, there's also bots posting all over the place about how terrible the NHS is and how much better Private has been. There's been news reports about ambulance shortages, etc. Keep the squeeze up and the average Sun reader will start to shout about how bad the NHS is and how the Tories need to do something.
 

Spaceman292

Banned
No they won't, there's also bots posting all over the place about how terrible the NHS is and how much better Private has been. There's been news reports about ambulance shortages, etc. Keep the squeeze up and the average Sun reader will start to shout about how bad the NHS is and how the Tories need to do something.
This sounds stupid but also horribly plausible. Do you have any examples of these bots?
 

Tams

Member
Confirmed. Fuck the BBC.

Fuck off.

They are an incredibly valuable cultural asset, and one of the world's most trusted news sources. They provide good quality children's programming, revision materials for school children, and educational programmes and materials for adults. And entertainment on top of that. All without corporate interests.

The P-word side needs throughly cleaning up (a hiatus might be a good idea), but the actual news part is still very high quality.

No to mention the P-word reasons that you're supporting with your stupid attitude. This is all a play to try and take the heat off Boris (and a vendetta of his). Not to mention Dorries wouldn't recognise culture if it whacked her in the head; she's an actual idiot.

But sure, go back into the 'metaverse™' and be suckered into buying more crap you don't need.
 
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Soodanim

Gold Member
It's actually split, TV shows and entertainment department went woke but the news went heavy right leaning and became government apologists. Which is ironic as they have both sides complaining about them! And because of that they've lost credibility, there was a recent justification for allowing flat earthers to share their viewpoints without being "challenged" because it's "fair".
This seems to be the truth of it from what I see around. If you go to Era, you’ll see people hate the BBC for being too conservative biased in the news. Come back here, you see people hate the BBC for being too woke in entertainment.
 

SirTerry-T

Member
BBC 4's music docs are the only thing they pump out that are worth watching.

Actually that's unfair. I do think the Beeb should be kept and I don't mind paying a license fee for all the great stuff they do produce (still the best place for literature adaptations, kids TV, nature docs) but as another poster said that (the P word) side of the corporation does need a thorough clean out.
 
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Termite

Member
I think it shows how impossible the BBC has it in today's partisan world that half of people online are celebrating that they're being defunded because of their left-wing, woke, diversity focused bias, while the other side is ALSO celebrating them being defunded because of their right-wing, anti-trans, pro-Tory bias.

There is no way of avoiding accusations of bias these days, and in that situation it's fairly impossible to be an impartial state broadcaster that everyone pays taxes to.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
I think it shows how impossible the BBC has it in today's partisan world that half of people online are celebrating that they're being defunded because of their left-wing, woke, diversity focused bias, while the other side is ALSO celebrating them being defunded because of their right-wing, anti-trans, pro-Tory bias.

There is no way of avoiding accusations of bias these days, and in that situation it's fairly impossible to be an impartial state broadcaster that everyone pays taxes to.
The one way for any media company to get a good image.... just tell the facts and stop injecting clickbait titles and editorials.

There's this chart I saw online somewhere (or maybe here on GAF), where it rates like 40 media companies on a left to right political scale. With a vertical axis of trustworthy content or made up garbage.

Right smack dab in the middle in terms of bias and at the peak of integrity were two companies I recognize when I scour business news.... Reuters and Associated Press. When I read my stock articles, their articles are always spot on facts and data. You don't get Tom McDouche interjecting with cheesy commentary turning it into a political fight.

Reuters article - "Microsoft releases Q3 earnings"

Douchebag site - "You'll never guess how much profit greedy Microsoft made this quarter"
 
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Dr.D00p

Member
I Cancelled my license fee two yrs ago.

The idea that the BBC is an important source of impartial news & commentary is laughable, The whole post Brexit debate shone a harsh light on just how biased it really is and how it only really represents the inner city, professional middle class types, the type who overwhelmingly staff the BBC newsrooms and have an almost pathological hatred of anyone that opposes their liberal, left wing World view, Brexit being the prime example of their groupthink.

All its current affairs reporters & producers come from a profoundly left wing background, ex Guardian newspaper staffers have all the top spots, and that is reflected in its news bias.
 

obie

Neo Member
All these publicly funded media channels are the biggest waste of money ever. The only silver lining (if someone wants to grasp at straws) is "well, it at least keeps people employed".

I dont care how "we got to be ethical and give viewers some local shit" a publicly funded channel is. If nobody is watching it, it means its a waste of money and shit content to boot.

But at least the UK situation is better than here in Canada where CBC gets like $1 billion in taxpayers money to fund junky shows nobody watches. Since their funding comes from taxes, you cant avoid paying into the CBC budget. I dont even watch their hockey telecasts. So I pay into the fund despite watching zero CBC shows. Last time I watched the channel for non-sports stuff was back in the 90s when they'd show reruns of The Simpsons and Fresh Prince. It was perfect. You'd watch Simpsons at 5 pm and Fresh at 5:30 and then dinnertime at 6 pm. And in the late 80s, reruns of Threes Company and Too Close for Comfort. EVERYONE watched those shows on CBC.

Fuck it. If some cable channel like AMC Classic Movie TV can survive and make money, how the hell can CBC get $1 billion+ taxpayer dollars and still need more money to survive?

Their best ratings and ad revenue comes from people watching hockey (at one time I think it was about 30% of ad revenue), but then they junked it after Rogers outbid them and had some kind of weird deal where they still do the telecast but the ad money goes to Rogers.

You just bitched about wanting it to be gone because YOU dont use it anymore. But 2 sentences later you described how you did use it and it was perfect! Huh?
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
You just bitched about wanting it to be gone because YOU dont use it anymore. But 2 sentences later you described how you did use it and it was perfect! Huh?
Ya.

Good channel 30 years ago when they showed reruns of American shows. Their shows are trash now and their hockey telecasts are simulcast on Sportsnet.
 

Artoris

Gold Member
If it was up to me, I would close BBC down today what they produce these days is utterly vile
 
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