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[SlickWilly223]

Just wondering if anyone knows any sites that ship this sucker over night at a reasonable price. Doom III is whispering to me.

O, and CompUsa won't have any high end Radeon/nVidia cards for another month. Damn.

 

[Outdoor Miner]

I've heard several Best Buys around the country have been carrying the Pro's for a while now. It really varies by location though. You might want to check out your local ones regardless.

 

[SlickWilly223]

Sorry, I should have mentioned that I checked other stores besides CompUsa. Best Buy was one of them. They only had 2 nVidia 6800's (not GT/Ultra).

Basically, I gotsta get my card online.

 

[Cold Shadow]

Get the phucking 6800GT it ownz the x800pro

 

[shpankey]

Get the phucking 6800GT it ownz the x800pro

Agree. If you want a card, the 6800gt is better, expecially for Doom 3.

 

[Kon Tiki]

Get the phucking 6800GT it ownz the x800pro

Well Ati is 30% faster in Half Life 2. Wait till the new OGL drivers come out before you pronouce them dead in Doom3.

 

[shpankey]

Haven't read this yet, but getting ready to, might help some of you...

AnandTech does every video card with Doom 3

Edit: The 6800 GT absolutely PWNZ the x800 Pro in Doom 3.

 

[seismologist]

I wouldn't pay more than $300 for a Radeon X800 Pro

 

[Malakhov]

I'd go with a 6800 GT.

 

[SlickWilly223]

The new drivers will take care of those probelms for ATi.

Anyway, anyone have a site? I'm going for the X800 over the 6800 regardless.

 

[Ryu]

Those new beta drivers REALLY increase performce on ATI's cards for Doom 3. It's really impressive how much of a leap it affords your experience.

 

[Izzy]

Well Ati is 30% faster in Half Life 2.

Preliminary Half Life 2 benches:

 

[Izzy]

Those new beta drivers REALLY increase performce on ATI's cards for Doom 3. It's really impressive how much of a leap it affords your experience.

I don't think so.

DaveBaumann
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Joined: 29 Jan 2002
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Location: Bedforshire, UK
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 11:43 pm Post subject:

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AFAIK these are the same drivers that Kyle has already used, which mean the driver you have will probably give even suckier performance.

I've just sent an e-mail to various bods at ATI suggesting that releasing a driver in September is pretty shoddy support for current users, as for many it will be far too late. Stopped short of sending it to Dave Orton though!

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14650

 

[Kon Tiki]

Preliminary Half Life 2 benches:

Key word 'Preliminary'.

 

[nubbe]

Well, i got about 10FPS more with the 4.9 drivers

 

[Izzy]

Key word 'Preliminary'.

Preliminary or not, they're the only empirical eveidence we've got. Now what happened to that 30% difference?

 

[The Shadow]

Preliminary or not, they're are the only empirical eveidence we've got. Now what happened to that 30% difference?

Probably on some other benchmark you're not posting.

 

[Mrbob]

Wait till 3DC.

 

[shpankey]

I'd still get a 6800 gt card.

 

[Izzy]

Well, i got about 10FPS more with the 4.9 drivers

I thought 4.9 was due in September.

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.computerbase.de/news/treiber/g


ATI used 4.9 drivers during the official Doom 3 benchmarking.

DaveBaumann
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Joined: 29 Jan 2002
Posts: 7118
Location: Bedforshire, UK
Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 1:15 am Post subject:

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Kyle used 8.05 - I've just downloaded a zip file called "8-05-Drivers.zip" that ATI says corresponds to Cat 4.9

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14650

 

[Izzy]

Probably on some other benchmark you're not posting.

Perhaps, but until somebody posts it, these benchmarks stay the only empirical evidence.

 

[nubbe]

Catalyst 4.9 Beta drivers

http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/4547.html

 

[Mrbob]

Perhaps, but until somebody posts it, these benchmarks stay the only empirical evidence.

Yeah but their pretty much worthless benchmarks.

Nvidia isn't the only ones who have tricks. 3DC is gonna give ATI x800 cards a big boost and HL2 is supposed to fully support it. 3DC isn't reflected in the beta benches.

 

[Izzy]

Catalyst 4.9 Beta drivers

http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/4547.html

B E T A

Official are due mid September.

 

[Mrbob]

B E T A

Official are due mid September.

Well, I've ben following ATI for the last couple driver releases since buying my 9800PRO and their usually isn't a big difference - if any at all - between beta drivers and official ones.

 

[Izzy]

Yeah but their pretty much worthless benchmarks.

Nvidia isn't the only ones who have tricks. 3DC is gonna give ATI x800 cards a big boost and HL2 is supposed to fully support it. 3DC isn't reflected in the beta benches.

3DC improves image quality and saves valuable video card memory. It doesn't improve frame rate.

 

[nubbe]

B E T A

Official are due mid September.

Yup, and I have about 10 more frames thanks to them, it will be interesting to see the boost the official drivers will provide.

Or you maybe think ATI used the final 4.9 drivers during the official benchmark?

 

[Izzy]

Well, I've ben following ATI for the last couple driver releases since buying my 9800PRO and their usually isn't a big difference - if any at all - between beta drivers and official ones.

Yeah. The trouble is, 4.9 has already been used for the official D3 benchmark and it's nothing to shout about. ATI should pass it up and move straight onto 5.0.

 

[Izzy]

Or you maybe think ATI used the final 4.9 drivers during the official benchmark?

They're the same. Read.

DaveBaumann
Senior Member



Joined: 29 Jan 2002
Posts: 7118
Location: Bedforshire, UK
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 11:43 pm Post subject:

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AFAIK these are the same drivers that Kyle has already used, which mean the driver you have will probably give even suckier performance.

I've just sent an e-mail to various bods at ATI suggesting that releasing a driver in September is pretty shoddy support for current users, as for many it will be far too late. Stopped short of sending it to Dave Orton though!

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14650

 

[SlickWilly223]

Not to butt in here but you people all sound like your trying to validate the purchase of your graphic cards.

I just need a website to get an x800 Pro from.

How's this one?

This one?

Or this one?

Any of these reliable?

 

[shpankey]

newegg.com is the best.

 

[Izzy]

Not to butt in here but you people all sound like your trying to validate the purchase of your graphic cards.

I just need a website to get an x800 Pro from.

How's this one?

This one?

Or this one?

Any of these reliable?

If you really want to get ATi card this generation, why not pony up and get XT? It sure is a much better buy.

 

[Mrbob]

newegg.com is the best.

Usually, but they have been gouging the X800.

Badabing is there a reason you want the X800PRO so badly? You want to play Doom 3. The 6800GT will handle Doom 3 much better. Plus its the same price. Actually, that's not true. You can usually find the 6800GT for cheaper. Well, whatever, its your money.

I'd recommend trying to grab an X800PRO from bestbuy.com if you can find it. At least they charge retail price for the X800PRO. Allstarshop is just as reliable as newegg though.

 

[SlickWilly223]

Well, because you are an Izzy Stradlin fan, I will look for some Geforce 6800 GT's... but man, I've never turned my back on ATi

I don't have the extra $100 for the XT, by the way.

I will be playing Half Life 2 way more than Doom III.

 

[Izzy]

I'm sure glad there's another Stradlin' fan in the house.

 

[SlickWilly223]

Wish he joined Velvet Revolver when he had the chance, though. That would have made for some quality music.

 

[rastex]

Don't believe his lies!!!

Izzy was exposed in a previous thread for showing very misleading benchmark pictures. His continued incistence on showing these same benchmarks even after being defrauded is very suspect.

I'll bring up the relevant link shortly.

 

[Izzy]

Believe it or not, GT outperforms X800 Pro by 60% in these Doom 3 benches:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2146&p=3

Well, because you are an Izzy Stradlin fan, I will look for some Geforce 6800 GT's... but man, I've never turned my back on ATi

I don't have the extra $100 for the XT, by the way.

Buy GT and then overclock it to Ultra speed. That's what sure as hell I'm going to do.

 

[Izzy]

Wish he joined Velvet Revolver when he had the chance, though. That would have made for some quality music.

He was actually in for a while, but when they mentioned touring, he was gone. Too bad.

 

[rastex]

Here's the link: Izzy gets Exposed Sal Paradise Jr does the defrauding.

 

[rastex]

Here's a caution about OCing:

The absolute fastest card we've seen for Doom 3 has been the 6800 Ultra series of cards. Though, after experiencing multiple issues with our eVGA Ultra Extreme part (it won't make it through one benchmark run at GT speeds anymore), we are reminded of John Carmack's comment about Doom 3 taxing graphics cards in ways beyond current games and that this fact may cause problems for those who overclock their cards. Could this cause issues with factory overclocked cards, or is our experience just an unfortunate coincidence? Only time will tell, though Doom 3 will be our new graphics overclocking benchmark just to make sure we aren't pushing our cards too high in future vendor reviews.

From Anandtech's article

Anyway, if the $400 pricerange is what you're looking at then the 6800GT is actually the better buy (by quite a long ways).

 

[Izzy]

GT already performs amazing in Doom 3. No need for overclock there.

I'll overclock it in HL2, CS2 and F.E.A.R for some Ultra performance style.

 

[DSN2K]

Preliminary Half Life 2 benches:

believe me the X800 will run HL2 better, if ATI have to make Valve do it they will.

 

[Kon Tiki]

Preliminary or not, they're the only empirical eveidence we've got. Now what happened to that 30% difference?

Nothing happened.

"Minimum system requirements appear to be a 1.2 gigahertz processor with 256 megabytes of RAM and a DirectX 7 video card. Of course, those of you interested in the full experience will want a 2 gigahertz or higher processor, 512 megabytes of RAM and a DirectX 9 video card. Doug specifically stated that the ATI x800 was the card of choice amongst many of the testers, as it ran roughly about 30% faster than Nvidia's best cards."

http://pc.ign.com/articles/535/535268p1.html

 

[tenchir]

Good god, what idiots buy a $400 videocard based on the performance of a single game(Doom 3 on this case)?

 

[Sirolf]

because D3 Engine will be used a lot in future games...

 

[Izzy]

Good god, what idiots buy a $400 videocard based on the performance of a single game(Doom 3 on this case)?

Doom 3 engine games: Doom 3, Quake IV, Return to the Castle Wolfeinstein 2... and many other.

 

[Kon Tiki]

Doom 3 engine games: Doom 3, Quake IV, Return to the Castle Wolfeinstein... and many other.

Only one of those games is out. By the time the other two come out, if they even do and assuming you mean a new Wolfeinstein game and not the Q3 driven RTCW, the card will be well below $400.

 

[teh_pwn]

newegg.com owns any retailer, especially if you live in a state where tax doesn't apply to online sales.

Don't listen to Izzy. He's a rabid Nvidia fanboy. He just posted a thread posting benches, without a linked, and he selected all the benches where Nvidia stomped Ati, and completely ignored the equal amount of tests where Ati beat Nvidia.

Nvidia is faster for Doom 3. But wait to see what the new drivers do. I'm about to test them out.

 

[Izzy]

More Doom 3 games:

Title: Quake IV
Developer: Raven Software
Release Date: TBA
Announced: August 10, 2001
Official Site: None
Known information:
» Basic development started at the beginning of 2001, since Raven has been working on three other games by that time actual development started Q2 2002.
» Single-player focused, will feature basic multiplayer support.
» Continuation of the storyline from Quake 2.
» Same GUI system will be used as in DOOM3.
» Vehicles will probably be included.

Title: TBA
Developer: Human Head
Release Date: TBA
Announced: TBA
Official Site: None
Known information:
» All we know is that in April 2003 Human Head have been looking for a level designer to work on their current project using the DOOM3 engine, Could be coincidence but Evil Avatar reported in March 2002 that Human Head started work on Prey which was in development by 3DRealms since 1993 and canceled ~5 years later.

Title: TBA
Developer: Nerve Software
Release Date: TBA
Announced: TBA
Official Site: None
Known information:
» Entirely new franchise, not confirmed if it will be using the DOOM3 engine, but we can be sure they are. Quote from their site: "Nerve is currently crafting concepts and ideas in collaboration with Id Software for a future project".

Title: TBA
Developer: Gray Matter Studios
Release Date: TBA
Announced: TBA
Official Site: None


Title: TBA
Developer: Splash Damage
Release Date: TBA
Announced: TBA
Official Site: None
Known information:
» Splash Damage has been co-developing the multiplayer maps for DOOM3, now they started work on a new full game.

Well, so far we have Quake IV, Call of Duty 2, Return to Castle Wolfenstein 2, something from Human Head, something from Splash Damage (maybe RTCW2 but I sure hope not), and something from Nerve. Conveniently all published by Activision, but hey.

Q4 and COD2 are slated for fiscal year 2006 (April 2005 -> March 2006) according to Activision's conference call, and I'd also be very surprised if Raven don't whip out Dark Forces 5 and Soldier of Fortune 3 after they're done on Quake and the X-Men game.