Could you explain why they should be there according to you ? They are both huge disappointements.
Because I agree most of the people on thinking that instead of huge dissapointments they are awesome games that should be in the top 10 best games of the year.
They make important improvements and add great things to their series in several areas like narrative, visuals, traversal gameplay, combat, level design and more to achieve an outstanding result on these areas improving what they did in previous entries and in some cases even doing the best job ever done in their genre / game type.
Like every other game ever released, they have areas that could be improved but overall did an awesome job in most areas resulting on a great overall game quality. I think that out of the games released this year -depending tastes- only Elden Ring deserves at the same or above level than them.