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Chris Avellone, a founding member of Obsidian Entertainment, has confirmed an article published by 80 Level. The article states that the studio has in the past proposed several The Elder Scrolls games to Bethesda Softworks, but that, unfortunately, the publisher turned down each of these proposals.

The designer specifies that one of the projects was to fulfil the same function as Fallout: New Vegas, which was released between Fallout 3 and 4. The aim was to launch a spin-off of the The Elder Scrolls franchise before the launch of the next main game.

Bethesda Declined Obsidian's Proposals to Develop TES Spin-Offs

Allegedly, numerous suggestions to create Fallout: New Vegas 2 and TES spin-offs were turned down.

80.lv

 

[Bergoglio]

Envy is a bad thing.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Good. They need to focus on New Vegas 2, I say!

 

[SmokedMeat]

Honestly I like Obsidian doing their own thing more.
Avowed is more exciting to me than a Fallout or ES spin off.

Something new versus more of what I’d be getting anyways.

 

[Punished Miku]

Should get them on a Starfield game. Would make more sense than The Outer Worlds 2, but too late for that.

 

[FinalBossWithTheMostPower]

Seems like Bethesda doesn't agree with the lot of you that think NV is the golden standard for the series.

 

[Werewolf Jones]

I wouldn't touch Bethesda shit but if Obsidian made an ES game I'd have bought it.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

I do prefer Obsidian doing their own thing, even though their more recent stuff has been kinda.... junk. Even so, I think there's more creativity to be had than within the ultra-generic universes that Bethesda's created.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Never seeing a Chris Avellone Elder Scrolls spin off is a travesty

GG Todd you dik ed

 

[mansoor1980]

no remasters , no spin-off titles , why todd? why the dominatrix like behaviour?

 

[Hudo]

Bethesda still having PTSD from New Vegas being lauded as the best Fallout (or at least mentioned in the same breath as Fallout 2) will never not be hilarious.

 

[Badlucktroll]

 

[GHG]

Honestly I like Obsidian doing their own thing more.
Avowed is more exciting to me than a Fallout or ES spin off.

Something new versus more of what I’d be getting anyways.

Bethesda excel in world building and lore but their questing and writing is dogshit, increasingly so as time has gone on.

Obsidian excel in the areas that Bethesda fall short and do less well in the areas that Bethesda excel in, they ought to work together.

 

[Puscifer]

Seems like Bethesda doesn't agree with the lot of you that think NV is the golden standard for the series.

It's more that a spin off did actual role playing and choice better than Bethesda did. It's more like they don't want another cult of personality around another title they didn't develop, fuck Fallout 4 and Starfield

 

[CoreyFlawless]

As much as that would be cool. When it comes to elder scrolls. Todd Howard only until he retires

 

[SJRB]

They probably don't want to get outdone at their own game series by someone else again.

 

[Regginator]

Of course they declined. God forbid Obsidian would outshine Bethesda on another of their IP again. Fallout is one thing, but Elder Scrolls is Bethesda's baby. Would've been absolutely catastrophic for them if Obsidian would make an NV-esque Elder Scrolls game.

My headcanon is that Bethesda is furious that New Vegas continues to be the most talked about game of the Fallout fanbase even over a decade later, and not 3 or 4. And the fact that New Vegas was supposed to be a mere side-dish to the main course is added salt to their wounds.

 

[Laptop1991]

What a shame, at least we would of had an extra single player TES game to play, unlike now and however long it takes a new one to come out, Fallout New Vegas is a great game considering Obsidian only had 18 months to make it, i would have been all for it.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Bethesda would be afraid that people would like it more than the shallow garbage they put out.

 

[Dane]

Bethesda excel in world building and lore but their questing and writing is dogshit, increasingly so as time has gone on.

Obsidian excel in the areas that Bethesda fall short and do less well in the areas that Bethesda excel in, they ought to work together.

Spot on, and the reason why BGS won't change shit is because they never get constructive criticism (let alone their ego), they know for decades ever since Oblivion release/Fallout 3 announcement they would get hatred from the ultra hardcore community despite everyone else loving their games, and how their detractors would make it loud a revisionism that their games were never good in the first place while giving a pass to anything else that is way more flawed in an desperate attempt to "slam dunk" against Bethesda.

If these people learned why Oblivion, Skyrim and Fallout 3 were loved day one they would have understood that they were regarded as very innovative products of their time.

 

[tusharngf]

fallout sequel is perfect for OBSIDIAN. Let them do skyrim as they have done a good job in the past.

 

[Pancakes and Sausage]

Bethesda seems to have really poor leadership.

Their biggest franchise, Elder Scrolls, last released in 2011 and the next one isn’t expected until 2026 at the earliest.

15 years between releases is terrible management and to have a quality studio offer to fill in that timeline and get turned down is ridiculous.

 

[adamsapple]

Avowed is basically their own take on Elder Scrolls.

 

[Porticus]

And seeing how Avowed look doesn't surprise me in the slightest, and it's better like that to be honest.

 

[Zannegan]

I've been waiting years for Bethesda to push out Starfield to clear the decks for a new ES. An Obsidian spinoff would have filled the gap nicely. It also would have given them a nicely updated everything to port Morrowind and Oblivion to. Sigh...

 

[Tomeru]

no remasters , no spin-off titles , why todd? why the dominatrix like behaviour?

Because he knows they will make a better gdme then he ever can.

 

[mansoor1980]

Because he knows they will make a better gdme then he ever can.

 

[IDKFA]

It still blows my mind that Fallout: NV was developed in around 18 months.

18 months!

 

[HL3.exe]

Dumbfuck decision.

Obsidian can actually write a compelling RPG with proper characters and interesting stakes. Could've been interested in a Elder Scrolls Story for once.

 

[SimTourist]

Bethesda seems to have really poor leadership.

Their biggest franchise, Elder Scrolls, last released in 2011 and the next one isn’t expected until 2026 at the earliest.

15 years between releases is terrible management and to have a quality studio offer to fill in that timeline and get turned down is ridiculous.

2026 is optimistic. They literally just started working on it, that game ain't coming out until 2030 at the earliest.

 

[LordCBH]

Bethesda didn’t want obsidian to release a game in their own series with more rpg elements than Bethesda could ever do

 

[Complistic]

Why doesn't daddy Phil step in and make Todd share his toys?

 

[Hudo]

I wish Phil would just take Fallout and give it as a joint project to both inXile and Obsidian. You'd basically have old Interplay back working on a new Fallout. Bethesda are busy with TES6 anyway till 2030.

 

[Fess]

Awowed feels like Obsidian’s The Elder Scrolls. Time will tell how close they can get. Going by The Outer Worlds Obsidian is great at writing but maybe not world building and exploration and interactivity. I enjoyed TOW a lot though.

 

[Shadowstar39]

I do prefer Obsidian doing their own thing, even though their more recent stuff has been kinda.... junk. Even so, I think there's more creativity to be had than within the ultra-generic universes that Bethesda's created.

Never seeing a Chris Avellone Elder Scrolls spin off is a travesty

GG Todd you dik ed

Eh... Have you played The Outerworlds? Filled to the brim with unappealing bland characters and npcs. I believe that was made without him and pillars was made with him (or at least the first pillars game) , and you can tell.
It also makes all the women look like dudes. He got removed from Dying light 2 (also story in that is shit compared to the first one).

Chris was cancelled after 2 women accused him of trying to screw them while drunk. They later had to retract the statement in court and payout a 7 figure settlement (ouch), both women said he did nothing and they only wrote what they did to "support women and minorities in the industry" basically they made shit up for clicks and virtue signially "meee too reeee". And a good man/great writer lost his job over accusations becasue all these companies are infested with parasite cultists.

He is no longer with the staff and they cacnelled him over hearsay. I don't believe obsidian is who they were when new vegas was made. It will be shit unless they get better writers and take out the culitsists but I have a feeling it will be shit.

 

[Majukun]

that's why we can't have nice things

 

[VolticArchangel]

BGS and Todd know for a fact that Obsidian (with Chris) would shit all over their ES franchise, like FONV did for FO, and don't want the PR nightmare.

There's a reason NV's widely regarded as the best modern FO, and the total conversion mods (with fully VA'd complete storylines) justify the community's feedback. There's even a total conversion mod for FO3 in NV where your saves are interchangeable.

Now imagine all that in a ES mid-sequel, before TESVI, that shits over Morrowind and Oblivion, combined. Skyrim's not even in the picture lol

 

[balls of snow]

Beth coudnt stand Obsidian making the better fallout game like hell they were gonna let them near elders scrolls.

 

[Pancakes and Sausage]

2026 is optimistic. They literally just started working on it, that game ain't coming out until 2030 at the earliest.

It’s crazy that Bethesda’s flagship franchise is going to skip two entire console generations.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Obsidian has made good games in the meantime, seems fine to me.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

That is a mistake on Bethesda's part.

 

[StereoVsn]

Seems like Bethesda doesn't agree with the lot of you that think NV is the golden standard for the series.

Or they are jealous their Obsidian made a better Bethesda game then Bethesda. I kind of think this is more likely.

 

[Xion_Stellar]

Eh... Have you played The Outerworlds? Filled to the brim with unappealing bland characters and npcs. I believe that was made without him and pillars was made with him (or at least the first pillars game) , and you can tell.
It also makes all the women look like dudes. He got removed from Dying light 2 (also story in that is shit compared to the first one).

Chris was cancelled after 2 women accused him of trying to screw them while drunk. They later had to retract the statement in court and payout a 7 figure settlement (ouch), both women said he did nothing and they only wrote what they did to "support women and minorities in the industry" basically they made shit up for clicks and virtue signially "meee too reeee". And a good man/great writer lost his job over accusations becasue all these companies are infested with parasite cultists.

He is no longer with the staff and they cacnelled him over hearsay. I don't believe obsidian is who they were when new vegas was made. It will be shit unless they get better writers and take out the culitsists but I have a feeling it will be shit.

If they really want to they can always hire him back as a consultant or part timer because despite these issues he didn't leave the industry he was credited for working on Path Finder: Wrath of the Righteous that came out last year.

 

[FinalBossWithTheMostPower]

It's more that a spin off did actual role playing and choice better than Bethesda did. It's more like they don't want another cult of personality around another title they didn't develop, fuck Fallout 4 and Starfield

Or they are jealous their Obsidian made a better Bethesda game then Bethesda. I kind of think this is more likely.

Don't disagree with Bethesda's motivation.

But the notion that NV is a better Fallout than 3 or 4 is hardly fact.

 

[Puscifer]

Don't disagree with Bethesda's motivation.

But the notion that NV is a better Fallout than 3 or 4 is hardly fact.

Quest flow would disagree greatly with that. There's so many options in New Vegas it's unreal that it was made in the time it was

 

[LordCBH]

Seems like Bethesda doesn't agree with the lot of you that think NV is the golden standard for the series.

Bethesda does have stupid people running the show, yes.

 

[Badlucktroll]

Best we get is probably that rumored Virtous Oblivion remake and hopefully it has good ass graphics

 

[Barakov]

Bethesda Declined Obsidian's Proposals to Develop TES Spin-Offs

Allegedly, numerous suggestions to create Fallout: New Vegas 2 and TES spin-offs were turned down.

80.lv

LEL. I'm not surprised. Especially after New Vegas came out. NV came out and shat all over FO3(that game is still pretty great mind you). It's just at the time NV was on a whole other level.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

To be fair, New Vegas was an absolute shit show of a hot mess when it came out in 2010 and needed a lot of work to fix, but at the end of the day the questing in that game was second to none

 

[simpatico]

Bethesda had a hell of a run, but I'm pretty sure it's over.