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[Kilau]

? That's not something I ever argued.
There's xbox console and xbox pc, both have a "store" and both have "game pass".

The part I bolded, "xbox version of the game on pc"

What does that mean then? There are plenty of games on pc game pass that aren't on xbox even though MS has lumped them all in under xbox.

 

[rodrigolfp]

xbox pc

There is no such thing in this dimension, my dude.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

The part I bolded, "xbox version of the game on pc"

What does that mean then? There are plenty of games on pc game pass that aren't on xbox even though MS has lumped them all in under xbox.

But they are on xbox by being on xbox pc, "xbox" doesn't mean console.

 

[krumble]

Isn't there like one person in the world that can crack denovo at the minute?

Yeah Empress, she did Hogwarts

 

[Kilau]

But they are on xbox by being on xbox pc, "xbox" doesn't mean console.

Yes it's all together in that ecosystem now. There are still games that are only available on one or the other and MS still calls it PC game pass and differentiates it that way. We are totally off the original point, and I don't think we disagree on this one.

 

[In Cold Blood]

I'm not sure why it's the publishers fault that they introduce stuff like this when it's the pirates that are causing the problem.

What people should be saying is "these fucking pirates have now caused my gane to have to have DRM shit in it.".

 

[drotahorror]

I checked this out on PC via gamepass and it's pretty much not good. Lots of stutters, DLSS lowers my performance? what. Maybe I didn't make it far enough but I've played for almost an hour and a half and it's just very slow and boring. Game should probably pull me in in that amount of time.

But they are on xbox by being on xbox pc, "xbox" doesn't mean console.

Bro you are fuckin insane.

There is a PC (computer for slow people) gamepass version and an Xbox (this is a console) gamepass version (if you are using gamepass to play the game).

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Uncle Phillip Bartholemule Spencer The 3rd Jr. putting in that work.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Bro you are fuckin insane.

There is a PC (computer for slow people) gamepass version and an Xbox (this is a console) gamepass version (if you are using gamepass to play the game).

Thanks for the ad hominem, but your own screenshot contradicts you, it says pc game pass and game pass for console, the one without designation says ultimate, which is for both pc and console.
Also this is not something I ever argued, game pass has nothing to do with playing xbox pc games.

 

[CuteFaceJay]

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Why do they keep doing this?

 

[xrnzaaas]

What a horrible decision by microsoft. They'll get tons of negativity just to protect a small DLC for a game that's a year old. I hate pc gaming - you can suddenly get screwed and there's nothing you can do about it.

 

[GeNoMe]

This Bethesda acquisition just keeps on giving, doesn't it?

 

[MMaRsu]

I'm not sure why it's the publishers fault that they introduce stuff like this when it's the pirates that are causing the problem.

What people should be saying is "these fucking pirates have now caused my gane to have to have DRM shit in it.".

Sorry but you are an idiot.

Pirates dont have to deal with Denuvo DRM.

Legitimate buyers shouldnt be forced to have drm on bought products.

Piracy doesnt equal lost sales, in fact it can boost sales.

 

[MiguelItUp]

Yeah, for as long as it's a AAA game, this is just going to keep happening, unfortunately. At least until there's something else.

The thing that's irritating is any build on digital platforms should not have Denuvo whatsoever. It existing on a digital platform IS your "anti-piracy" measure. So they're just doubling up in the worst way considering Denuvo fucking sucks and always affects performance.

 

[In Cold Blood]

Sorry but you are an idiot.

Pirates dont have to deal with Denuvo DRM.

Legitimate buyers shouldnt be forced to have drm on bought products.

Piracy doesnt equal lost sales, in fact it can boost sales.

So Publishers put DRM into games even though by having their games pirated means greater sales.
There's only one idiot here fella.

 

[adamsapple]

Sorry but you are an idiot.

Pirates dont have to deal with Denuvo DRM.

Legitimate buyers shouldnt be forced to have drm on bought products.

Piracy doesnt equal lost sales, in fact it can boost sales.

I don't think that's entirely accurate.

 

[MMaRsu]

I don't think that's entirely accurate.

Oh it is. Pirates buy games eventually if they like them. Some of them.

 

[MMaRsu]

So Publishers put DRM into games even though by having their games pirated means greater sales.
There's only one idiot here fella.

So Elden Ring didnt have any drm and is one of the best selling games on Steam hmm..

 

[Nydius]

There's only one idiot here fella.

You’re right and he stares back at you every time you look in the mirror.

DRM has NEVER deterred or limited piracy. Every form of DRM dating back to the stupid CD copy protection encryption that could be foiled with a fucking Sharpie has been broken. The only thing DRM systems do is harass and inconvenience legal owners, and it’s been this way since the days of the dumb Sony BMG root kit nonsense.

Denuvo is a prime example as it frequently affects the performance of games. That only harms the people who buy the game, while pirates who have cracked/stripped Denuvo get a better experience.

 

[MMaRsu]

So Publishers put DRM into games even though by having their games pirated means greater sales.
There's only one idiot here fella.

https://www.theticketingbusiness.co...can-boost-movie-box-office-sales-study-shows/

Word-of-mouth generated by post-release digital movie piracy can lead to an increase in box-office ticket sales, new research has found.


The study led by the Terry College of Business at the University of Georgia in the US revealed that pirated movies that are circulated illegally online after their theatrical release generate on average a 3% increase in box-office income.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017...acy-doesnt-hurt-game-sales-may-actually-help/

"This positive effect of illegal downloads and streams on the sales of games may be explained by the industry being successful in converting illegal users to paying users," the study authors write. Increased game sales may come from piracy as "players [get] hooked and then [pay] to play the game with extra bonuses or at extra levels,"

https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2017/09/displacement_study.pdf

“For games, the estimated effect of illegal online transactions on sales is positive – implying that illegal consumption leads to increased legal consumption. This positive effect of illegal downloads and streams on the sales of games may be explained by the industry being successful in converting illegal users to paying users. Tactics used by the industry include, for example, offering gameplay with extra bonuses or extra levels if consumers pay.”

You were saying?

 

[YeulEmeralda]

What a horrible decision by microsoft. They'll get tons of negativity just to protect a small DLC for a game that's a year old. I hate pc gaming - you can suddenly get screwed and there's nothing you can do about it.

On the contrary with PC gaming there's always something that you can do. Fan patches and mods don't exist on consoles. Hell I've fixed games by editing a few lines in a config.ini

 

[VolticArchangel]

DLC huh?

 

[In Cold Blood]

https://www.theticketingbusiness.co...can-boost-movie-box-office-sales-study-shows/



https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017...acy-doesnt-hurt-game-sales-may-actually-help/



https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2017/09/displacement_study.pdf



You were saying?

Yeah sure.
If you pirate a game and play it you won't go and buy a copy. If you can't get a pirate copy you will buy it,
If someone gets a pirate copy of a game and likes it their word of mouth would be "hey, I will show you where to download it and if you want I will copy it for you.


The biggest thing that has reduced the amount of pirating of movies and almost killed off torrents is subscription streaming services.
The same will be in the game industry. When GP gets to the mass market there won't be any real need to play a pirate version of MS games when you can play them all for $15 a month.

 

[winjer]

The EU Suppressed a 300-Page Study That Found Piracy Doesn’t Harm Sales

The European Commission paid €360,000 (about $428,000) for a study on how piracy impacts the sales of copyrighted music, books, video games, and movies.

gizmodo.com

 

[Guilty_AI]

The same will be in the game industry. When GP gets to the mass market there won't be any real need to play a pirate version of MS games when you can play them all for $15 a month.

The same already happened in the game industry with the popularization of digital media, where you can easily get a game from a trustworthy source along fast download speeds. No gamepass or any subscription model needed.

 

[nkarafo]

how about fixing the mouse/camera look so I can play it without getting a headache

But that would be an update which benefits the users.

The point of updating something is to benefit the publishers.

Can't believe the audacity and entitlement of so many people thinking the publishers have to cater to their needs!

 

[MMaRsu]

If someone gets a pirate copy of a game and likes it their word of mouth would be "hey, I will show you where to download it and if you want I will copy it for you.


The biggest thing that has reduced the amount of pirating of movies and almost killed off torrents is subscription streaming services.

Sorry, but you are plain wrong, and those researches show that.

 

[nkarafo]

Sorry, but you are plain wrong, and those researches show that.

I agree, that's wishful thinking.

But there is some wishful thinking by the publishers as well.

Truth is, people who pirate games do so because they can pirate them. They don't buy games, they just pirate.

It's not like they would buy all these games if they couldn't pirate them. You really believe someone who downloaded the whole Re-Dump scene of PS2 games or something would buy them if they didn't have that chance? And yet, each one of the publishers of all those 2.000+ games would claim they lost a sale. Each and every single one of them.

That's the biggest myth about piracy. Publishers want you to believe that 1 pirated copy = 1 lost sale but that's pure science fiction. Only a tiny minority of pirates would buy games they can't pirate.

People who buy games buy them. People who pirate, pirate. That's it. The only thing DRM does is making the life of the buying customers harder.

 

[diffusionx]

https://www.theticketingbusiness.co...can-boost-movie-box-office-sales-study-shows/



https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017...acy-doesnt-hurt-game-sales-may-actually-help/



https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2017/09/displacement_study.pdf



You were saying?

The standard publisher line of "each pirated game is a lost sale" is obvious nonsense, but I don't really buy these studies either. You can break down pirates into three groups. One is those who don't care about the game and would never pay for it. This group is whatever, they've always been around, it doesn't matter, they pirate because for whatever reason they enjoy pirating. Two is those who do care about the game and would never pay for it. These people are stealing, they are getting the benefits of owning it without paying for it. The third is those who do care about the game and would pay for it. Basically the "extended demo" crowd. Some of those pay for it, some of those end up in the 2nd group, but in the end, the 2nd and 3rd groups probably cancel each other out so it's a wash.

But - I think this reality is limited to affluent regions like the US/Europe/Japan. I also think the rise of F2P gaming and gaacha shit is in response to large-scale piracy in regions poised for growth. A game like Genshin Impact simply could not come out as a boxed title for sale in a place like China, it's just not an option. They place basically no value on IP and as such you need to, well, give away the game before they do it for you.

 

[Astray]

I'm assuming this is because of the big content update, but this is still a really strange decision imo.

I don't really care much about Denuvo though.

 

[MMaRsu]

Truth is, people who pirate games do so because they can pirate them. They don't buy games, they just pirate.

Why not both

 

[lh032]

Microsoft next acquisition is denuvo

 

[DeepEnigma]

Microsoft next acquisition is denuvo

Bet.

 

[Fuz]

Truth is, people who pirate games do so because they can pirate them. They don't buy games, they just pirate.

Not always true. It's more complex. And there are studies that show that piracy increase sales, for various reasons.

 

[rofif]

I don't think that's entirely accurate.

I think it is.
It's often kids who pirate games. They dont have the buying power to do otherwise.
I pirated everything and your mother when I was a kid. if I wouldn't do that, I would simply not play these games

 

[Fuz]

But that would be an update which benefits the users.

The point of updating something is to benefit the publishers.

Can't believe the audacity and entitlement of so many people thinking the publishers have to cater to their needs!

This is exactly why I think autoupdates are a scourge and should *always* be disabled.

 

[Fuz]

I pirated everything and your mother when I was a kid.

Well, I pirated a lot when I was a kid because of availability, mostly (the only game store was 60km from my house, and they didn't have *everything* I saw in magazines).
Then I bought legit copies of most of those games as soon as I found them.

 

[rofif]

Well, I pirated a lot when I was a kid because of availability, mostly (the only game store was 60km from my house, and they didn't have *everything* I saw in magazines).
Then I bought legit copies of most of those games as soon as I found them.

yeah me too. I have like a thousand games now. Bought everything.
But the fact is, my parents did not had the money. I would pirate or bust

 

[Fuz]

yeah me too. I have like a thousand games now. Bought everything.
But the fact is, my parents did not had the money. I would pirate or bust

Just curious. Did you buy any of those games now that you do have the money? Like, on GOG or Ebay or whatever?

 

[rofif]

Just curious. Did you buy any of those games now that you do have the money? Like, on GOG or Ebay or whatever?

yeah. On steam, on gog and on 360. I've not pirated a game for like 15 years now. For consoles I am "clean" since mid 360(I had modded 360 but bought the games later) and fully since ps4.
And for pc, thanks to steam, It's forever

 

[Zathalus]

I think it is.
It's often kids who pirate games. They dont have the buying power to do otherwise.
I pirated everything and your mother when I was a kid. if I wouldn't do that, I would simply not play these games

Same, as a kid I didn't have any disposable income so I just pirated everything. If I had not pirated anything it would not have equaled a sale as I just would not have purchased the game.

Now that I have disposable income I haven't pirated anything in 10+ years.