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Bill C-11 could bring SOPA-like online piracy laws to Canada

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Noirulus

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Not sure if it's already been posted, the search function on GAF is disabled at the moment.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/righ...-bring-sopa-online-piracy-laws-212657243.html


As the murky status of SOPA and PIPA keeps us in a fog, a Canadian digital policy expert warns us of a clandestine campaign to bring similar online piracy laws north of the border.

The Stop Online Piracy Act was effectively shelved - for the time being - by the U.S. House of Representatives last week. What has been dubbed the "largest online protest in history" appeared to ruffle some feathers in Congress, but Michael Geist, Internet and ecommerce law professor at the University of Ottawa, has warned of a SOPA-like bill to be reintroduced before the House of Commons in the near future.

In a recent post to his personal blog, Geist delves into Bill C-11, a copyright reform legislation that could allow our country to become "a prime target for SOPA-style rules."
"Lobby groups are likely to intensify their efforts to export SOPA-like rules to other countries," explains Geist. "In fact, a close review of the unpublished submissions to the Bill C-32 legislative committee reveals that several groups have laid the groundwork to add SOPA-like rules into Bill C-11, including blocking websites and expanding the 'enabler provision' to target a wider range of websites."


One of Geist's major concerns lies in an effort to expand on the "enabler provision" of Bill C-11. As Jameson Berkow explains in a Financial Post story, "groups such as the Canadian Independent Music Association and the Entertainment Software Association of Canada have been advocating for Ottawa to expand the provision to allow them to go after not just sites containing copyright-infringing content, but also those 'enabling' acts of infringement as well."

Similar to the proponents of SOPA, which largely consists of Hollywood film studios and major record labels, the bulk of those supporting the reintroduction of Bill C-11 earn their keep in the entertainment industry. They argue that a lack of substantial anti-piracy legislation has and will continue to put millions of industry jobs at risk.
Yet Google Inc., perhaps the largest presence to stand against SOPA-style legislation, has argued that such rules, had they been implemented back in 2004, would have made it impossible for YouTube to exist, let alone flourish into the world's largest online video service.

Geist was one of the first to raise awareness of the Canadian implications of SOPA, and his latest blog on Bill C-11 has done much of the same. But Barry Sookman, partner in the Toronto office of McCarthy Tétrault LLP, is quick to discredit Geist's arguments.
"Even if Bill C-11 is amended to cover sites that are primarily designed, operated or used to enable infringement or which induce infringement it would still be inconceivable that the section could be used 'to shut down mainstream sites such as YouTube' as he claims," said Sookman in the Financial Post.

"Michael Geist's blog post fails to point out that Section 27(2.4) of Bill C-11 has six factors that a court must consider before it can conclude that a site is liable for enablement. It is not remotely possible that mainstream sites such as YouTube could be caught."
Stay tuned, folks. It looks like the polarizing battle for anti-piracy legislation will continue for Canadians, as well as our neighbours to the south.
 

enzo_gt

tagged by Blackace
Just fucking fantastic. And here we renew the cycle of anger, fear, confusion and disappointment.
 

Kurdel

Banned
So what is it exactly?

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Seriously, this isn't even close to SOPA. The worst part is making the circumvention of DRM illega, but what else is there in the bill?
 

enzo_gt

tagged by Blackace
So what is it exactly?

SOPA-like SOPA-like SOPA-like SOPA-like SOPA-like SOPA-like SOPA-like SOPA-like SOPA-like SOPA-like SOPA-like SOPA-like SOPA-like SOPA-like SOPA-like SOPA-like SOPA-like SOPA-like SOPA-like SOPA-like SOPA-like SOPA-like SOPA-like SOPA-like

Seriously, this isn't even close to SOPA. The worst part is making the circumvention of DRM illega, but what else is there in the bill?

The article in OP talks more about "the foundation" for SOPA-like things being implemented, which can mean anything, so yeah we don't even really know what this is yet. Just something we have to keep tabs on should it develop into something actually threatening to the preservation of society.
 

Kurdel

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The article in OP talks more about "the foundation" for SOPA-like things being implemented, which can mean anything, so yeah we don't even really know what this is yet. Just something we have to keep tabs on should it develop into something actually threatening to the preservation of society.

Why won't you join me and read Bill c-11 ?

So far it is more like the DMCA than SOPA...
 

soultron

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This shit needs to stop. This isn't America and it's not election time right now.

This bill should've died when it got stamped out the first time.

I already sent my letter to David Christopherson earlier today.
 

Kurdel

Banned
Network services
31.1 (1) A person who, in providing serv- ices related to the operation of the Internet or another digital network, provides any means for the telecommunication or the reproduction of a work or other subject-matter through the Internet or that other network does not, solely by reason of providing those means, infringe copyright in that work or other subject-matter.

(5) Subject to subsection (6), a person who, for the purpose of allowing the telecommunication of a work or other subject-matter through the Internet or another digital network, provides digital memory in which another person stores the work or other subject-matter does not, by virtue of that act alone, infringe copyright in the work or other subject-matter.


(6) Subsection (5) does not apply in respect of a work or other subject-matter if the person providing the digital memory knows of a decision of a court of competent jurisdiction to the effect that the person who has stored the work or other subject-matter in the digital memory infringes copyright by making the copy of the work or other subject-matter that is stored or by the way in which he or she uses the work or other subject-matter.

So we could still store and share copyrighted material as long as there hasn't been a takedown prdered by a Judge? I am down with that.

This really just is a DMCA style bill. There is no threat of censorship, as with SOPA.
 

Slavik81

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Why won't you join me and read Bill c-11 ?

So far it is more like the DMCA than SOPA...

Wait, so this is the continuation of Bill C-60, C-61 and C-32? That makes a lot more sense. Shoot it down again.


So we could still store and share copyrighted material as long as there hasn't been a takedown prdered by a Judge? I am down with that.

This really just is a DMCA style bill. There is no threat of censorship, as with SOPA.
The DMCA is a pox. The criminalization of DRM circumvention for non-infringing purposes is ridiculous.

People nearly lost their music collections when Microsoft decided it wanted to retire the PlaysForSure DRM. To make it criminal for them to strip the DRM and reclaim the music they purchased would be absolutely unacceptable.

The takedown counter-notice system of the DMCA is also lacking. There's no real penalties enforced for abuse of takedown notices, and counter-notices are almost unheard of. Do major hosting sites even restore content upon receiving a counter-notice?
 

Kurdel

Banned
People nearly lost their music collections when Microsoft decided it wanted to retire the PlaysForSure DRM. To make it criminal for them to strip the DRM and reclaim the music they purchased would be absolutely unacceptable.

Oh yes, I do agree that it is horrible. I have been reading the bill and that is the main sticking point.

As of now, however, there is nothing even remotely close to SOPA in this bill....
 

Slavik81

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Just to expound on that point for the home audience, here's the section on backups:
Backup copies

29.24 (1) It is not an infringement of copyright in a work or other subject-matter for a person who owns — or has a licence to use — a copy of the work or subject-matter (in this section referred to as the “source copy”) to reproduce the source copy if

(a) the person does so solely for backup purposes in case the source copy is lost, damaged or otherwise rendered unusable;

(b) the source copy is not an infringing copy;

(c) the person, in order to make the reproduction, did not circumvent, as defined in section 41, a technological protection measure, as defined in that section, or cause one to be circumvented; and

(d) the person does not give any of the reproductions away.

If we allow DRM to be uncircumventable, we will lose our history. It may be a hundred years before the content is public domain. If DRM prevents backups, and it's illegal to circumvent that DRM, how will we preserve our culture for future generations?
 

BocoDragon

or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
What in the fuck is going on with "anti-piracy" Internet laws these days?

Never been a conspiracy person, but it's like the Illuminati flipped a switch, or something :p

Why are the content creators all of a sudden able to introduce these bills in so many different world governments? Why didn't this happen 15 years ago?
 

Slavik81

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What in the fuck is going on with "anti-piracy" Internet laws these days?

Never been a conspiracy person, but it's like the Illuminati flipped a switch, or something :p

Why are the content creators all of a sudden able to introduce these bills in so many different world governments? Why didn't this happen 15 years ago?

The United States began significantly reforming its copyright around 1970, though there have been steady term extensions since the concept of copyright was introduced.

Rapid technological change in information technology has been pushing copyright reform around the world even more rapidly. Usually, these changes start as international treaties and then work their way down to the national level. The DMCA was how the United States brought itself into compliance with the 1996 WIPO treaties. Canada still has not entirely implemented the WIPO treaties, so the topic is continually revisited.

Why the Canadian government didn't ratify the 1996 WIPO treaties back when they signed them? I don't know. Perhaps there was less American pressure to do so? Whatever the reason, I'm thankful. Delaying has given us the opportunity to see it in action in the USA.
 

jaxword

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What in the fuck is going on with "anti-piracy" Internet laws these days?

Never been a conspiracy person, but it's like the Illuminati flipped a switch, or something :p

Why are the content creators all of a sudden able to introduce these bills in so many different world governments? Why didn't this happen 15 years ago?

A lot of very rich people started to learn what "piracy" meant for profits.

When a lot of very rich people want something, their respective governments hear about it.

It's not really a switch so much as how the world works.
 

Kurdel

Banned
Just to expound on that point for the home audience, here's the section on backups:


If we allow DRM to be uncircumventable, we will lose our history. It may be a hundred years before the content is public domain. If DRM prevents backups, and it's illegal to circumvent that DRM, how will we preserve our culture for future generations?

Well, maybe the problem is the DRM?

If we could just buy licenses independent of physical media and be done woth all of this shit...
 

Cheerilee

Member
The last two or three times there have been minority governments so luckily no but now the cons have a majority so...

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...al-us-pressuring-canada-on-ip-enforcement.ars

According to Wikileaks cables, in February 2008, Jim Prentice (the guy formerly in charge of the Bill) told the American Ambassador that Conservatives who held a narrow hold on their seats were reluctant to vote for any Canadian DMCA for fear that their unpopular votes might be used against them in the next election (as it should be).

We used to have a game of musical chairs keeping that law at bay, but now we apparently have fear and accountability. And thanks to SOPA, fear is at an all time high. So long as it works, I'm content. When people get tired of vigilance, we should just move back to the musical chair thing again.

Oh and hey, isn't it comforting to hear that the people writing our laws have to answer to American Ambassadors?
 
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