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Bill Frist flip-flops on stem cell research

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Frist Breaks With Bush on Stem-Cell Bill

By H. JOSEF HEBERT, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 2 minutes ago

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist on Friday threw his support behind House-passed legislation to expand federal financing for human embryonic stem cell research, breaking with President Bush and religious conservatives in a move that could impact his prospects for seeking the White House in 2008.

"It's not just a matter of faith, it's a matter of science," Frist, R-Tenn., said on the floor of the Senate.

Frist's announcement immediately dented his support among Christian conservatives but won lavish praise from former first lady Nancy Reagan, who said it "has the potential to alleviate so much suffering." Her husband, the late former President Ronald Reagan, had Alzheimer's disease.

At the White House, press secretary Scott McClellan said Frist had given Bush advance notice of his announcement. "The president said, `You've got to vote your conscience,'" McClellan said.

"The president's made his position clear," the spokesman said when asked if Bush stands by his threat to veto a pending bill that would liberalize federal support for stem cell research. "There is a principle involved here from the president's standpoint when it comes to issues of life," McClellan said.

Frist notified Bush, Mrs. Reagan and House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., of his pending announcement in telephone calls late Thursday, according to a Republican congressional source who spoke on condition of anonymity because the calls were confidential.

Bush and Frist appeared together at the White House shortly after Frist's speech as the president signed a bill that allows health care professionals to report information on medical errors without fearing that it will be used against them in lawsuits.

Bush introduced him as "Doctor Bill Frist" and afterward, Bush shook Frist's hand and said something that made the majority leader laugh. As Bush was leaving the room, he summoned Frist to join him.

The Christian Defense Coalition lambasted Frist's change of position.

"Sen. Frist should not expect support and endorsement from the pro-life community if he votes for embryonic research funding," it said.

"Senator Frist cannot have it both ways. He cannot be pro-life and pro-embryonic stem cell funding," said Rev. Patrick J. Mahoney, director of the group. "Nor can he turn around and expect widespread endorsement from the pro-life community if he should decide to run for president in 2008."

A heart-lung transplant surgeon who opposes abortion, Frist said loosening Bush's strict limitations on stem cell research would lead to scientific advances and "bridge the moral and ethical differences" that have made the issue politically charged.

"While human embryonic stem cell research is still at a very early stage, the limitation put into place in 2001 will, over time, slow our ability to bring potential new treatments for certain diseases," the Tennessee lawmaker said in his speech.

"Therefore, I believe the president's policy should be modified. We should expand federal funding ... and current guidelines governing stem cell research, carefully and thoughtfully, staying within ethical bounds," he said.

Bush has threatened to veto legislation for expanded financial support for stem cell research. A bill to finance more stem cell research has passed the House, but has been stalled in the Senate. Frist's support could push it closer to passage and set up a confrontation with Bush.

Frist's announcement will put pressure on the White House, predicted Sen. Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record), R-Pa., a cancer patient and the bill's sponsor.

"I know that the president will listen to what Sen. Frist has had to say," Specter said. "I'm not saying he is going to agree with it but ... I think may bring us all together on this issue."

House Republicans, however, said they were "profoundly disappointed" in Frist's decision, saying federal funding of human embryonic stem cell research is fiscally irresponsible because it's unproven technology.

"Senator Frist is a good man, he's simply advocating a bad policy," said House Majority Leader Tom DeLay of Texas.

Rep. Phil Gingrey (news, bio, voting record), R-Ga., rejected the praise showered upon Frist for bucking his party and the White House. "I think the courageous speech would have been to continue to stand strongly in defense of the sanctity of life," Gingrey, a physician, told reporters. "We will fight him on this to the very end."

"House conservatives are profoundly disappointed at Senator Frist's decision to abandon this cause," said Rep. Mike Pence (news, bio, voting record), R-Ind.

It also could impact Frist's own political future. A likely presidential candidate in 2008, Frist has been courting religious conservatives who helped make Bush a twice-elected president and generally consider embryonic stem cell research a moral equivalent to abortion. But the announcement, coming just a month after Frist said he did not support expanded financing "at this juncture," could help him with centrist voters.

The announcement came the same week that a group of supporters for the research, StemPAC, launched a television ad in New Hampshire criticizing Frist for not scheduling a vote on the issue. Frist added on Friday that he expected debate and a vote when the Senate returns from vacation in the fall.

With those political realities in mind, Frist argued that his positions on stem cell research and abortion were not inconsistent. He said the decision was about policy, not politics.

Frist's decision brought quick praise from leading Democrats.

"It is a decision that will bring hope to millions of Americans," said Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada. "I know there's still a long ways to go with the legislation, but a large step has been taken by the majority leader today ... and I admire the majority leader for doing it."

Said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (news, bio, voting record), D-Mass.: "As a physician, Sen. Frist has a moral calling to save lives and alleviate suffering. He honors his Hippocratic Oath today by recognizing the unique healing power of embryonic stem cells."

Dobson ain't gonna be happy about this one. And neither are the Korner Kids or the Freepers.
 
Here's a link to Frist's speech:

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_70135.asp

Whatever his motivation, I'm happy about it, and Frist draws parallels between stem cell research and past ethical problems in medicine that have since been addressed.

I bet Bush is pissed, though. The senate probably doesn't want to be associated with the policies of a President who's been going nowhere but down in the polls (his job approval rating is currently at ~47%).
 
Is this supposed to quiet his Democratic opposition after he pulled the defense bill from the Senate floor because of proposed anti-torture amendments?
 
it's to improve his standing among moderates, who make up a voting block vastly larger to christian conservatives.
 
scorcho said:
it's to improve his standing among moderates, who make up a voting block vastly larger to christian conservatives.

Aren't the fundies more likely to turn out for the 2008 primaries, though?
 
<rant>I am so fucking tired of the term "flip-flop". You know, some times changing one's mind is the right thing to do, especially when it's done out of a better understanding of the issue. Since when is it a good thing to be close-minded?</rant>
 
SteveMeister said:
<rant>I am so fucking tired of the term "flip-flop". You know, some times changing one's mind is the right thing to do, especially when it's done out of a better understanding of the issue. Since when is it a good thing to be close-minded?</rant>

What he said, only 10 times louder :)
 
I think the flip-flop comment was a jab at the Republican's who accused Kerry of doing the same type of thing.


Honestly, this is the best news I have heard as a Republican in a long time. At least some leaders are stepping up and changing thier views on things Republicans are wrong about. The party needs another strong moderate voice not named McCain.
 
SteveMeister said:
<rant>I am so fucking tired of the term "flip-flop". You know, some times changing one's mind is the right thing to do, especially when it's done out of a better understanding of the issue. Since when is it a good thing to be close-minded?</rant>
Like TA said, it's just poking fun at how the bush campaign loved to hypocritically call Kerry a flip-flopper so much.

Anyway, this is awesome news.
 
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Fragamemnon said:
They certainly do, but Bill "Justice Sunday" Frist isn't going to be that guy, no matter how much he fakes it.


I was actually going to qualify my statement that Frist's voting record and previous comments are too damaging to be that guy.
 
"It's not just a matter of faith, it's a matter of science," Frist, R-Tenn., said on the floor of the Senate.

I'm just completely in awe of the fact that he actually said this. Its like someone found a secret photo album of Hitler playing hackey-sack and eating latke's with a bunch of Jews. If only Frist would apply his newfound revelation on science universally..
 
http://press.arrivenet.com/pol/article.php/676391.html

:lol Dobson speaks:
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo., July 29 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Focus on the Family Action founder and chairman Dr. James C. Dobson issued the following statement today after learning that Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., had come out strongly in favor of increased federal funding for destructive embryonic stem-cell research:

"It is an understatement to say that the pro-life community is disappointed by Sen. Frist's decision to join efforts to void President Bush's policy limiting the funding of embryonic stem- cell research. Most distressing is that, in making his announcement, Sen. Frist calls himself a defender of the sanctity of human life -- even though the research he now advocates results, without exception, in the destruction of human life.


"Sen. Frist argues that under the Bush policy, there are insufficient stem-cell lines to maximize what he calls the 'promise' of embryonic stem-cell research. That statement continues the common misconception that embryonic stem cells hold the greatest potential for human healing and therapy. In reality, recently published studies demonstrate that some adult stem cells can form most, if not all, body tissues, just like embryonic cells may be able to do. Furthermore, there will never be a sufficient number of new stem-cell lines to satisfy the sometimes unquenchable thirst for federal money to fund pet projects of researchers. A morally sound line must be drawn at the beginning of this journey into stem-cell research: that no human life is sacrificed for possible or proven scientific gain - period.

"The media have already begun speculating that Sen. Frist's announcement today is designed to improve his chances of winning the White House in 2008 should he choose to run. If that is the case, he has gravely miscalculated. To push for the expansion of this suspect and unethical science will be rightly seen by America's values voters as the worst kind of betrayal - choosing politics over principle.

"We urge Sen. Frist to reconsider his position in light of the values he has espoused during his career in public service."
 
Frist is already off the reservation for 2008 for Facism Research Council/Focus on the Facism. I think they are going to hitch their jackboots to someone completely destestable like Brownback.
 
SteveMeister said:
<rant>I am so fucking tired of the term "flip-flop". You know, some times changing one's mind is the right thing to do, especially when it's done out of a better understanding of the issue. Since when is it a good thing to be close-minded?</rant>

Good point. However, skepticism is never ill-advised when dealing with Pols of ANY flavor.
 
"'It's not just a matter of faith, it's a matter of science,' Frist, R-Tenn., said on the floor of the Senate."

Wow, that came out of nowhere! <3 I'm tired and speechless but someone needs to give him a cigar.
 
I had two initial reactions to this:

"Well, I guess Frist isn't running." Now all the news analysis is saying that he's doing this to help his chances, but my reaction was that he had given up on strongly courting the religious right, because he wasn't seriously going to run. Not sure now.

"Does this make Bush a lame duck?" With Bush's Social Security push falling through, and Frist breaking ranks on this, maybe some legislators are starting to think that the message discipline isn't worth the risk when an unpopular issue is being pushed.

I just wish reasonable legilsation didn't mean scrounging up a couple of terrified Republicans to buck the party line.
 
Respect get. The Republican party really needs a stronger moderate core. I hope Frist's decision will sway more in the Republican party to support the bill.
 
Fragamemnon said:
Frist is already off the reservation for 2008 for Facism Research Council/Focus on the Facism. I think they are going to hitch their jackboots to someone completely destestable like Brownback.

:lol :lol :lol :lol

Did you see that jackass on Hardball yesterday??? I swear I entered a time-warp and was suddenly living in the dark ages again. Christ...

Anyway, good for Frist.
 
Hooray! There is some common sense and love in the republican party! And it comes from....BILL FRIST????!!!!

Well either way. Good for him, he's earned some respect in my book.
 
ronito said:
Hooray! There is some common sense and love in the republican party! And it comes from....BILL FRIST????!!!!

Well either way. Good for him, he's earned some respect in my book.


(We've secretly replaced the GOP's normal majority leader with an alien pod. Let's see what happens...)
 
Incognito said:
Shock, Tom DeLay isn't happy!

I love how quick Republicans are to pounce on anyone who breaks ranks. They'll love you, until you disagree with them. That's probably why they've been in power, though. Democrats, on the other hand, are all about embracing all kinds of different ideas, for better or worse.
 
well hey if its a bunch of eggs and sperm no one wants we might as well put it to use...not like we can make something out of nothing...not yet atleast. Atleast the man has taken a side based on what he believes good for him.
 
Fuck, I'm having a blast at RedState and FreeRepublic . Read the comments!

:lol :lol :lol

Frist just lost my support. If it is a matter of science, why not back the science that has demonstrated positive results?

Big mistake Frist! You can do the same research with ADULT stem cells. As a doctor, you should know that.

And the best so far...

It's a matter of money. If they were serious about stem cell research, they would fund adult stem cell research which has actually shown positive results. Embryonic has resulted in the creation of cancer and not much else, and of course provides financial incentive to create life to be destroyed.

:lol
 
CabbageRed said:
"'It's not just a matter of faith, it's a matter of science,' Frist, R-Tenn., said on the floor of the Senate."

Wow, that came out of nowhere! <3 I'm tired and speechless but someone needs to give him a cigar.
It sure did. I wonder where this "matter of science" was during the Schiavo fiasco.
 
xsarien said:
Man, why do you even bother with them? I can understand wanting to hear both sides of the argument, but the Freepers aren't even a "side," they're just shrill children.
Even if you consider them to be "shrill children", they may be some of the right's strongest supporters. These are the people that will donate money, canvass, and work for the right's actions.
 
I have disagreed with 90% of what Frist has done since taking the reigns in the Senate, but in this case good for him. I'm sure there's some political motivation here, but if it results in real progress then I'd say it's worth it.
 
""It is an understatement to say that the pro-life community is disappointed by Sen. Frist's decision to join efforts to void President Bush's policy limiting the funding of embryonic stem- cell research. Most distressing is that, in making his announcement, Sen. Frist calls himself a defender of the sanctity of human life -- even though the research he now advocates results, without exception, in the destruction of human life.
They...d know you can get stem cells from places other than fetuses right? Haha, of course not. Not that they'd ever study what they protest against.
 
LakeEarth said:
They...d know you can get stem cells from places other than fetuses right? Haha, of course not. Not that they'd ever study what they protest against.
If you visit some of their websites, it's as though they collect all the positive news about adult stem cells and all the negative news about embryonic stem cells.
 
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