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[Sonik]

They will just ban the opposing parties anyways. But yeah if this goes through I'm willing to go to jail for. Enough with these ridiculous Orwellian laws.

EU "democracy" is about outlawing or litigating to death anti-establishment parties like a goddamn banana republic and voting for the same authoritarian law again and again until it's passed, they did the same with the EU constitution, with certain countries joining the Euro and many laws like this one. Chat control has been introduced repeatedly iirc

The way things are going in a decade this cancer union will be even worse than the US

 

[Paasei]

I'm surprised my country is one of the few that is neutral/against this shit. Guess we haven't completely lost our minds yet.

 

[Mistake]

It was only a matter of time for the EU. I mean it's got Union in the name, and the last one of those didn't go so well

 

[Liljagare]

The way things are going in a decade this cancer union will be even worse than the US

It's going to be a long while before we reach the ludicrous levels of that insanity.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I havent been following this thing.

So it's a proposed blanket EU thing? Whats the criteria for passing through? If a country says forget it they can bail, or they have to go with it if it passes?

 

[Liljagare]

I havent been following this thing.

So it's a proposed blanket EU thing? Whats the criteria for passing through? If a country says forget it they can bail, or they have to go with it if it passes?

It's a nothing burger, as it goes against most nations laws for protection for citizens rights to privacy..

MAGA news, sad to see how many people belive in propaganda.

This might pass a vote as EU law, but all EU nations can decide on wether or not to adapt it.

This particular thing is a major MAGA and Russian disinformation piece, sad to see how many fall for it.

 

[Liljagare]

EU "democracy" is about outlawing or litigating to death anti-establishment parties like a goddamn banana republic and voting for the same authoritarian law again and again until it's passed, they did the same with the EU constitution, with certain countries joining the Euro and many laws like this one. Chat control has been introduced repeatedly iirc

The way things are going in a decade this cancer union will be even worse than the US

Sad to see someone straight out trusting bullshit.

BREXIT was a major success, and everyone should follow?

Why can't you see the Russkie propaganda?

 

[Bojji]

Sad to see someone straight out trusting bullshit.

BREXIT was a major success, and everyone should follow?

Why can't you see the Russkie propaganda?

This is a threat until we are 100% sure that it won't happen. 10 years ago no one would believe that UK will turn into dystopian police state but here we are.

It's also not the Russians that want to censor the internet in the west.

 

[Liljagare]

This is a threat until we are 100% sure that it won't happen. 10 years ago no one would believe that UK will turn into dystopian police state but here we are.

It's also not the Russians that want to censor the internet in the west.

You haven't seen the threats from the Russkies, if we want to keep a free internet in the west?

What rock are you living under?

 

[Bojji]

You haven't seen the threats from the Russkies, if we want to keep a free internet in the west?

What rock are you living under?

Don't underestimate my feelings towards Russia/Soviet Union/Russian Empire. As a Polish person I have quite a lot to say about them (and it would be considered as hate speech in UK).

But I don't think it has anything to do with them, there are other powers that want to shut down opposition (political) and get rid of freedom of speech on the internet.

 

[Sonik]

Sad to see someone straight out trusting bullshit.

BREXIT was a major success, and everyone should follow?

Why can't you see the Russkie propaganda?

You don't know what you're talking about, the referendum on the EU constitution was voted against with a decisive 55% of the vote in the only country that was allowed to vote for it, France. So they renamed it to the Treaty of Lisbon and never allowed anyone to vote for it again, so basically the legitimacy of most European policies and orgs is questionable since it was never decided by the European people who, judging by the referendum, never wanted it. And don't even get me started on the undemocratic and frankly infuriating cancellation of the legitimate election results in Romania where they had the fucking audacity to play the victims of election meddling

Chat control was rejected in 2023, then it was reintroduced in 2024 and again now. This is basically a dictatorship pushing laws they want repeatedly until they're voted yes or they find a loophole to pass them without vote through one of the million bureaucratic institutions they have

 

[Sonik]

Don't underestimate my feelings towards Russia/Soviet Union/Russian Empire. As a Polish person I have quite a lot to say about them (and it would be considered as hate speech in UK).

But I don't think it has anything to do with them, there are other powers that want to shut down opposition (political) and get rid of freedom of speech on the internet.

Their "logic" is that anything that threatens their authority emboldens their enemies thus you're either a traitor/ally of the enemy or a dumb clueless idiot doing the bidding of the enemy because you were misled by them. It's usually the logic of paranoid authoritarians so it's expected from EU and its loyalists

 

[P:axMagellanic]

What a coincidence this shit is rolling out across the globe nigh simultaneously.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

LMAO too bad most European countries ban civilians having guns

Enjoy your revolts when you aren't allowed to be armed

This is why I laugh whenever a European tries to make fun of America for having lots of guns

 

[CokeDiet]

LMAO too bad most European countries ban civilians having guns

Enjoy your revolts when you aren't allowed to be armed

This is why I laugh whenever a European tries to make fun of America for having lots of guns

Not to mention when Europeans say America is a third world country. We've seen what's happening to major European cities but they seem in denial.

 

[Lukaku's First Touch]

LMAO too bad most European countries ban civilians having guns

Enjoy your revolts when you aren't allowed to be armed

This is why I laugh whenever a European tries to make fun of America for having lots of guns

This argument is hilarious when seeing how the US currently is being run by 100% corrupted liars that ignore every democratic rule and pretty much spit on your constitution that you are all so proud off which you are supposed to protect with all these guns.

The guys with the guns are just as big of a pussy as us Europeans except during school time.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

LMAO too bad most European countries ban civilians having guns

Enjoy your revolts when you aren't allowed to be armed

This is why I laugh whenever a European tries to make fun of America for having lots of guns

Not to mention when Europeans say America is a third world country. We've seen what's happening to major European cities but they seem in denial.

As a Canadian, it's not perfect here either. But given what I see in the US and Europe when it comes to massive waves of immigrants storming over, crime, mob protests etc.... I'll be 100% perfectly honest - thank god were surrounded by water and the only nation we border with is the US.

Given our huge land mass and coastlines, only 40M people here (a big thing recently), and we are never brimming to the max with security and military controls, if our country was situated to be surrounded and connected to various countries (or a short distance away) with volatile people who can easily pop on over we'd be pooched decades ago no matter how strict the immigration laws here are supposed to be.

It seems a lot more dumbassery happens in the US and Europe.

For those of you who have lifetime experiences in places where let's say there's lots of violence or volatile waves of immigrants that can cause trouble or you never know if someone is going to shoot up a shopping mall etc.... believe it or not you can have peaceful cities. Even if the gov in charge (dumb ass Justin Trudeau for like 10 years) is a sissyboy moron who quit, you can still have a country where there isn't tons of crazy uproars and for the most part everyone gets along despite some metro areas (mostly I'd say Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal) having tons of multiculture of people, businesses and even many people who dont even know English or French. Some people will never fully integrate into the local culture and thats ok as long as youre chill and get along with society and the economy. I dont give a shit if someone cant speak English in a restaurant or a middle eastern place has a small room someome can pray before they eat. As long as everything's going good and this business is cool, I'm fine with it.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

It's a nothing burger, as it goes against most nations laws for protection for citizens rights to privacy..

MAGA news, sad to see how many people belive in propaganda.

This might pass a vote as EU law, but all EU nations can decide on wether or not to adapt it.

This particular thing is a major MAGA and Russian disinformation piece, sad to see how many fall for it.

 

[thefool]

It's a nothing burger, as it goes against most nations laws for protection for citizens rights to privacy..

MAGA news, sad to see how many people belive in propaganda.

This might pass a vote as EU law, but all EU nations can decide on wether or not to adapt it.

This particular thing is a major MAGA and Russian disinformation piece, sad to see how many fall for it.

You forgot to take your tds pills in the morning.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Yeah that's erm, yeah

I think we've passed the point of questioning reality

 

[winjer]

Sad to see someone straight out trusting bullshit.

BREXIT was a major success, and everyone should follow?

Why can't you see the Russkie propaganda?

I really hope you are right, because this proposal is something out of a Fascist playbook.

 

[thief183]

What about something like proton mail? Anyone knows?

 

[Bojji]

LMAO too bad most European countries ban civilians having guns

Enjoy your revolts when you aren't allowed to be armed

This is why I laugh whenever a European tries to make fun of America for having lots of guns

In theory you are right, but do you really expect armed revolt over something like internet rights? And don't be a fool, shit like this is coming to America as well. They will pass things and American public won't care or react because they will be fighting themselves like they are doing right now (Republicans vs. Democrats).

Whole country would have to rise up for it to have any chance of succeeding. Some local revolt would be destroyed by armed forces pretty quickly, imagine regular folks fight (many of them in not so good shape) vs. trained people with much better equipment.

 

[winjer]

In theory you are right, but do you really expect armed revolt over something like internet rights? And don't be a fool, shit like this is coming to America as well. They will pass things and American public won't care or react because they will be fighting themselves like they are doing right now (Republicans vs. Democrats).

Whole country would have to rise up for it to have any chance of succeeding. Some local revolt would be destroyed by armed forces pretty quickly, imagine regular folks fight (many of them in not so good shape) vs. trained people with much better equipment.

In the USA, it just got a lot worse, as from now on, tech companies can have full access to people's medical records.

Trump administration's digital health tracking system gives tech giants access to medical records

During an event announcing the initiative yesterday, President Trump said, "For decades, America's health care networks have been overdue for a high-tech upgrade and that's what we...

www.techspot.com

The Trump administration wants the US public to upload personal health data and medical records to a series of apps and systems managed by private health companies and tech giants. The move is supposed to allow easier access to health records across the nation, bringing personal healthcare into the digital age, but there are plenty of concerns about the security of the data and the possibility that it could be exploited.

 

[StabbyStabStabStabStab]

I can see the rationale in implementing some measures to prevent us all living in increasingly disparate realties, which we are at the moment (and will continue to with increasingly sophisticated AI tools). We're pretty fucked at the moment. On the other hand fuck having to hand over my identity to be able to peruse whatever content is allowed within whatever legal framework that exists - you can't fuck over the common man over this.

 

[Baemono]

I guess everyone has just decided the back half of 2025 needs to be 1984! Chat Control is the EUs proposed bill to make it mandatory to require ID or face scans for the internet as well as actively scanning all your messages, whether it be e-mail, message apps, forum posts, etc, for "suspicious" content which can then be flagged to authorities. Here's a website covering all the major details:

Chat Control: The EU's CSAM scanner proposal

🇫🇷 French: Traduction du dossier Chat Control 2.0 🇸🇪 Swedish: Chat Control 2.0🇳🇱 Dutch: Chatcontrole The End of the Privacy of Digital Correspondence Take action to stop Chat Control now! The Chat Control 2.0 proposal in detail Changes proposed by the European Parliament

www.patrick-breyer.de

So the same EU that pushes Privacy Policies for almost a decade and fine every company that doesn't let people have their full privacy over the internet and other means of communication would want to have full access to people's privacy ? Doesn't make any sense

EDIT: I had a look, pretty much every country is against due to privacy concerns, and it is a news from last year.

 

[Bert Big Balls]

This is absolutely, totally fucking NUTS. If this shit actually goes through, I'm just going to stop using technology and permanently touch grass. Fuck this noise. Total bunch of old BOLLOCKS. CUNTS.

 

[EerieArcade]

Please present your ID to the illegal immigrant delivering your 12 inch meat feast.

 

[Punished Miku]

In the USA, it just got a lot worse, as from now on, tech companies can have full access to people's medical records.

Trump administration's digital health tracking system gives tech giants access to medical records

During an event announcing the initiative yesterday, President Trump said, "For decades, America's health care networks have been overdue for a high-tech upgrade and that's what we...

www.techspot.com

They literally stole all the core records from Social Security and Medicare through DOGE. Whistleblowers laid this out and no one cares. Just straight up stole it. They showed the giant terabyte download spikes that have never happened right after they disabled security on it. They're paying military contractor Palantir to create a database on everyone in the US. They'll tie it to this medical data. They'll have 1 database that has anything you do anywhere and it will be accessible by private companies.

 

[kruis]

So the same EU that pushes Privacy Policies for almost a decade and fine every company that doesn't let people have their full privacy over the internet and other means of communication would want to have full access to people's privacy ? Doesn't make any sense

EDIT: I had a look, pretty much every country is against due to privacy concerns, and it is a news from last year.

No, it isn't. The time line on Patrick Breyer's page is correct. The EU is still working on this. Yes, there are many countries that have serious concerns about these proposals, but also notice that they have never stopped working on this "chat control'" and still try to get slightly reworked anti privacy policies accepted.

https://eutoday.net/eu-reconsiders-chat-control/

The European Union is once again weighing legislation that could mandate the scanning of private digital communications, including encrypted messages, for material linked to child sexual abuse.

Known informally as 'Chat Control', the proposal has re-emerged under Denmark's EU Council Presidency, which began on July 1. Lawmakers are scheduled to debate the latest iteration of the bill on October 14, 2025.

Originally introduced in 2022 but repeatedly stalled due to political opposition, the legislation seeks to impose obligations on messaging platforms—such as WhatsApp, Signal, and Telegram—to scan user content for child sexual abuse material (CSAM). If adopted, the law could lead to widespread client-side scanning of messages before encryption, a measure that critics argue poses a serious threat to digital privacy and data protection.

The Danish Presidency has placed the proposal among its top legislative priorities. While no new text has been publicly released, Copenhagen has signalled its intention to find a compromise that balances law enforcement goals with legal and technical concerns raised by member states, civil society, and industry stakeholders.

Current Outlook

At present, the contents of Denmark's revised proposal remain undisclosed. However, a Council meeting scheduled for July 11 may provide more clarity on the direction of the negotiations. Analysts suggest that the fate of the bill may hinge on Germany's position. The new federal government has not yet indicated whether it would support the measure, and without its backing, a qualified majority may remain out of reach.

According to Patrick Breyer, former MEP for the German Pirate Party and a vocal opponent of the proposal, the Danish Presidency's success will depend heavily on its ability to secure German approval.

Even if the CSAM proposal were adopted in October, it would still need to proceed through trilogue negotiations with the European Parliament and Commission, where further amendments are likely.

 

[Grildon Tundy]

And people will still say "I have nothing to hide. Why should I care?"

I remember thinking the world was forever changed in 2012(?) when the Snowden leaks happened. Yet people didn't give a shit.

The data they're collecting and the tools they have to analyze it are more powerful than people realize. How many times has someone thought of a product, never mentioned it out loud or searched for it, only for it to appear as an ad? How many people have then purchased those products?

To think the same Inception-style influence can't be applied to behaviors outside of consumerism is a lack of imagination. Data is power, even if there's nothing incriminating in it.

The reason I say all this in regards to the proposed online ID requirements is because anyone who has worked in relational databases or done a simple VLOOKUP in Excel knows the value of having a good "key" to tie your datasets together. An ID is an ideal key.

 

[P:axMagellanic]

This argument is hilarious when seeing how the US currently is being run by 100% corrupted liars that ignore every democratic rule and pretty much spit on your constitution that you are all so proud off which you are supposed to protect with all these guns.

The guys with the guns are just as big of a pussy as us Europeans except during school time.

They have some police forces driving around in MRAPS for fuck sake, I'd like to see his guns try and go through one of those.

He also seems to forget that the Ukrainians, with no firearms, overthrew a vicious government and armed security force that was shooting at them during Maidan.

 

[Lunarorbit]

I see we're all slowly becoming Chinese. Chinese games taking over the industry. Chinese laws next. Chinese women when?

It really is. Fucking facial recognition. Private police with $100 billion budget. Its truly fucked

 

[Jinzo Prime]

What about something like proton mail? Anyone knows?

Based in Switzerland, which is not an EU member, so it should be fine, unless the EU pressures Switzerland to implement it's own version of the law.

 

[ForAcademicPurposes]

Everything comes back to mgs2

 

[jason10mm]

God willing. The EU today is not the same organization it was at its founding or when Poland joined in 2004. It must return to being an economic union or Poland should leave. What we have now is a Titanic on a collision course.

"Time to go clean up Europe again?

"Yup, time to go clean up Europe again!"

I can't see this passing here in the States, as we have created a narrative that we can NOT require photo ID in order to vote because access to any kind of legit ID disenfranchises certain groups. If we require ID for the internet then we would TOTALLY isolate those groups, right....right?!?

Though this might cut out that 50% bot traffic...hmmmm.

 

[Mistake]

In the USA, it just got a lot worse, as from now on, tech companies can have full access to people's medical records.

Trump administration's digital health tracking system gives tech giants access to medical records

During an event announcing the initiative yesterday, President Trump said, "For decades, America's health care networks have been overdue for a high-tech upgrade and that's what we...

www.techspot.com

They literally stole all the core records from Social Security and Medicare through DOGE. Whistleblowers laid this out and no one cares. Just straight up stole it. They showed the giant terabyte download spikes that have never happened right after they disabled security on it. They're paying military contractor Palantir to create a database on everyone in the US. They'll tie it to this medical data. They'll have 1 database that has anything you do anywhere and it will be accessible by private companies.

‪You guys are right to be worried, but this has actually been happening for a while now. Take a deep dive on Naomi's channel

 

[Mithos]

Based in Switzerland, which is not an EU member, so it should be fine, unless the EU pressures Switzerland to implement it's own version of the law.

They are not perfect either sadly (they are safer, but not perfect)

ProtonMail Gives Up Logs on User, Then Scrubs Website of No IP Logging Claims

ProtonMail has been caught logging a user that was the target of an investigation. After getting caught, ProtonMail changed its website.

cyberinsider.com

ProtonMail Surrenders User Logs And Backtracks On IP Logging

ProtonMail, widely acknowledged as one of the most secure email services, just walked back on it's no-logs policy after a police investigation.

www.privacyaffairs.com

 

[Bojji]

"Time to go clean up Europe again?

"Yup, time to go clean up Europe again!"

I can't see this passing here in the States, as we have created a narrative that we can NOT require photo ID in order to vote because access to any kind of legit ID disenfranchises certain groups. If we require ID for the internet then we would TOTALLY isolate those groups, right....right?!?

Though this might cut out that 50% bot traffic...hmmmm.

I hope Americans will stop this shit when someone tries to pass it but I think as always general public will be bamboozled by something else (Syndey Sweeney drama when Epstain story got too big).

And most of this age/ID is not based on logic, you can drive at 16, vote and go to war at 18 but to drink you need to be 21? There is no logic in that just different interests.

 

[jason10mm]

I hope Americans will stop this shit when someone tries to pass it but I think as always general public will be bamboozled by something else (Syndey Sweeney drama when Epstain story got too big).

And most of this age/ID is not based on logic, you can drive at 16, vote and go to war at 18 but to drink you need to be 21? There is no logic in that just different interests.

I wish these big omnibus bills had an automatic 10 year expiration. That way we could give it a chance to see how perverted it gets.

That was the genius of the 1994 AWB. It auto-sunsetted so rather than require folks to try to rescind it (which almost NEVER happens) and be "pro assault weapon" it just expired and no one could really justify it because it was a bad bill to begin with.

Just imagine how awesome it would be is shit like the patriot act had to be re-legislated every so often. I bet 90% of the invasive shit the gov can do now wouldn't get renewed after folks saw how bad it was.

 

[LordCBH]

Sad to see someone straight out trusting bullshit.

BREXIT was a major success, and everyone should follow?

Why can't you see the Russkie propaganda?

I see we've reached the "Everything I disagree with is Russian propaganda" stage of the topic.

 

[Baemono]

I remember thinking the world was forever changed in 2012(?) when the Snowden leaks happened. Yet people didn't give a shit.

EU did give a shit and put in place very heavy data protection laws, which are still in place

 

[Magister]

EU did give a shit and put in place very heavy data protection laws, which are still in place

When the time comes, they may conveniently forget them.

 

[Three]

EU separatist movements are about to get a little more popular.

We separated already and still require ID or face scans.

 

[TransTrender]

It's worse than that. The police might then rape you as well.
This is what happened in the UK.

Police officers ‘also abused’ Rotherham grooming gang victims

One says she was raped from the age of 12 by a South Yorkshire Police officer in a marked police car.

www.bbc.com

Seriously

And the part about there were no records of complaints? Of course there weren't any records. Complaining about rape by muslim would be racist.

This is wholly incomprehensible...

 

[negator2vc]

Time to invest in client based end to end encryption addon/plugins for our browsers, mail clients or any other app we use to "chat".
The use of such addons/plugins is now mandantory to protect (as much it's possible).

 

[Quasicat]

What scares me is I have students, currently in high school, who welcome this control. Even the group I had 4 years ago, who are now in the tail end of college or are in the workforce said they would support the government having complete control in exchange for cancelling college debt.

Kids today are so used to having surveillance everywhere that they blindly accept it. These people will be in their 30s in 10 to 15 years.

 

[RCX]

Irish GAF here.

Any chance you Americans would consider invading and occupying us?

 

[6502]

Its almost as if people don't know that countries have been illegally scanning comms, library records and profiling people for decades. Then the electoral interference stuff...To see people saying USA would never allow this is mind-boggling. Your three letter agencies have been doing all this to you and other countries since their inception, they don't give two shits about whether laws let them or not.

 

[cormack12]

Thank fuck. They might be able to find those messages I've lost