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[Neiteio]

Loved this game. About to jump in for the second play-through now--hopefully I'll be able to understand it better; I'm still confused on some things even after reading this thread.

Speaking of this great game, anyone notice the typo in the plot synopsis on the back cover?

*looks at the back of his digital copy*

...WHOA.

That typo looks like my hand.

 

[Apophenia Overload]

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";52312500]Imagine three balls at the edge of a cliff.[/QUOTE]

This game pretty much Zybourne Clock: holy fuck a legendary developer took it seriously and turned it into a AAA title.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Whoever this Constance Vareebles girl is, she seems to be a pretty swinging gal. She must tear through parties like its Rapture.

 

[Vitet]

Do some people actually think the Rapture part is before Jack got there? I mean, I guess I just assumed it was during the course of Bioshock 1 but thinking on it now, I had no real evidence.

I think you can go through the first parts of Bioshock 1 (when going to the batisphere) and the wrench isn't in the floor in Infinite, so Jack already got it.

 

[Sorian]

I don't hear the songbird screams and I'm getting depressed after watching fitzroy pathetically die over and over again T_T

She was a pathetic character and very unimportant in the grand scheme of things.

I think you can go through the first parts of Bioshock 1 (when going to the batisphere) and the wrench isn't in the floor in Infinite, so Jack already got it.

Ah, that's right! I did have evidence then, nevermind.

 

[Trigger]

I heard it mindfucks you just as hard.

Yes indeed. lol

 

[Salamando]

...it is

Actually, the coin flip might only be a constant because the Booker who flipped the coin was always the same. A coin flip's randomness largely stems from the flipper. A mechanical device set up to flip a coin the same exact way will yield highly predictable results. In theory, two Bookers on different timelines with the exact same experiences could flip the coin identically, resulting in identical outcomes.

 

[Apophenia Overload]

The twists in Infinite actually makes sense, though, while never losing sight of the intimate tale of redemption it's telling. It's gracefully executed, with crisp editing, tasteful restraint, and not a single moment feeling bloated.

Kojima, meanwhile... Well... One word: "Drebin." The semi-regular PowerPoint presentations in MGS4 were borderline maddening.

And I say this as someone who teared up during the Big Boss scene at the end of MGS4. (After his PowerPoint presentations, I mean.)

With Kojima, it feels like he makes up shit as he goes along, and occasionally says something profound or paints an interesting picture. With Levine and Infinite, it's one carefully crafted clockwork construct that works backwards and forwards and inside and out, from start to finish.

They're not even comparable.

Compare MGS3, his best work, to BI, then what happens?

 

[Neiteio]

Really really. I read that LTTP beginning to end and laughed my ass off the entire way through. It is a thing of beauty lol

Spoiler

I was lurking at the time you were playing it, it was a fun journey waiting for you to post

Awesome! The whole 999 experience was a ton of fun, not the least of which was turning to you guys every time my mind was blown, lol.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

That Vox Populi story arc ended up being pretty truncated, huh

edit: Kojima will do 20 mins of bullshit, and then crank out gold like, "This is good...isn't it?" that makes you say, "Ok, WHY DID YOU HIDE THAT BEHIND 20 MINS OF DEAD AIR"

 

[Sorian]

Actually, the coin flip might only be a constant because the Booker who flipped the coin was always the same. A coin flip's randomness largely stems from the flipper. A mechanical device set up to flip a coin the same exact way will yield highly predictable results. In theory, two Bookers on different timelines with the exact same experiences could flip the coin identically, resulting in identical outcomes.

Tis a good point. I bet every Comstock would have flipped a tails right there.

 

[XANDER CAGE]

That Vox Populi story arc ended up being pretty truncated, huh

There are some things that come across as a little forced/quick that could have been fixed with like, one audiolog. What the hell was that kid even doing in Fink's office? If they had mentioned Fink having a son or something, it would have made all the difference.

Likewise, Booker says that the Vox are no better than the Founders before seeing them wasting civilians and whatnot. Just feels out of order, since before that point the Vox seemed pretty damn justified.

 

[rohlfinator]

Replaying this game puts Elizabeth's change in demeanor in really stark contrast... she seems like a totally different person by the end of the game, but it's done really naturally.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

That Vox Populi story arc ended up being pretty truncated, huh

edit: Kojima will do 20 mins of bullshit, and then crank out gold like, "This is good...isn't it?" that makes you say, "Ok, WHY DID YOU HIDE THAT BEHIND 20 MINS OF DEAD AIR"

Yeah I thought maybe Fitzroy would have more to contribute but her final moments were pretty great.

 

[Korey]

Why didn't the Vox Populi just parachute down to the real world, or take one of their ships down and leave the place?

 

[DICKS AHOY]

That Vox Populi story arc ended up being pretty truncated, huh

Story-wise it really is the only part of Infinite I genuinely feel is unpolished. I get the point that 'HEY REVOLUTIONISTS CAN ALSO BE HYPOCRITICALLY VIOLENT AND ANGRY', but you go from oppressed people to blood-hungry child murderers so quickly that message feels really cheap and superficial. Wondering if originally that was much more of what the overarching plot was about, and less the afterthought it feels like in the final product.

The 'devil' Abraham Lincoln animatronics they re-purposed into motorized patriots was fucking hilarious though.

Why didn't the Vox Populi just parachute down to the real world, or take one of their ships down and leave the place?

Early 1900's America was just as disgustingly racist in some parts? Plus you no longer get bragging rights that you were a FINK MAN or that you lived on a magical floating city.

 

[Voice of Reason]

Okay guys, who would you wife:

Fitzroy or Elizabeth?

Or Rosalind?

 

[Sblargh]

Yeah I thought maybe Fitzroy would have more to contribute but her final moments were pretty great.

I loved the whole sthick about shooting Fink in the head and putting his blood on her face. Heck, I wish she'd survived through the revolution. Damn Elizabeth, it was just a kid and it isn't like some other Vox probably didn't kill him anyway.

I want a DLC where we let her shoot the kid, Booker explain the whole space-time thing and we go the latter half of the game without fighting the Vox.

Why didn't the Vox Populi just parachute down to the real world, or take one of their ships down and leave the place?

I think the technology for going up or down to the land is less simples than moving through the floating islands? Doesn't seem like leaving is a choice. Also, lighthouse, if they parachute down, they'll probably end up on the middle of the ocean.

 

[Sorian]

Likewise, Booker says that the Vox are no better than the Founders before seeing them wasting civilians and whatnot. Just feels out of order, since before that point the Vox seemed pretty damn justified.

I think Booker is just used to people in power/wanting power. He has already learned the life lesson that power corrupts, so he didn't need to see that the Vox went down a bad road to know that they would.

 

[Neiteio]

That Vox Populi story arc ended up being pretty truncated, huh

I dunno, felt just right to me. Establishes the whole "alternate outcome" concept quite vividly.

Only thing I lament is them not using the bit from the E3 2011 demo with the film of a face projected onto the red banners draped across the buildings.

Seeing red-and-black movie footage -- rather than black-and-white -- was SO CREEPY and SO COOL.

 

[Zeliard]

Replaying this game puts Elizabeth's change in demeanor in really stark contrast... she seems like a totally different person by the end of the game, but it's done really naturally.

I thought so as well. By the end of the game she is basically all-powerful but it seems like the natural end result. Could have easily been done in a jarring fashion.

 

[SmithnCo]

Okay guys, who would you wife:

Fitzroy or Elizabeth?

Or Rosalind?

What about a harem of all the NPCs that want to make whoopee on Booker?

 

[Sorian]

Okay guys, who would you wife:

Fitzroy or Elizabeth?

Or Rosalind?

Marry Elizabeth

Bone Rosalind

Toss Fitzroy off of Columbia

Reasons being: Elizabeth is both gorgeous and a great person, experience tells me that the scientific eccentric types are great in the sack, Fitzroy is the most annoying person I have ever seen.

 

[Zeliard]

If Rosalind Lutece ever shows up in a Bioshock movie, she's gotta be played by Tilda Swinton. Kept reminding me of her.

 

[Sorian]

Why didn't the Vox Populi just parachute down to the real world, or take one of their ships down and leave the place?

Why didn't the poor in France just leave?

 

[DICKS AHOY]

I dunno, felt just right to me. Establishes the whole "alternate outcome" concept quite vividly.

Only thing I lament is them not using the bit from the E3 2011 demo with the film of a face projected onto the red banners draped across the buildings.

Seeing red-and-black movie footage -- rather than black-and-white -- was SO CREEPY and SO COOL.

Don't you still see that projection on a blimp when you get back to the slums from raiding the police station?

 

[sleeprockss]

What's the deal with the statue of Robert Lutece in the beginning that changes to one of Rosalind Lutece?

 

[Zeliard]

What's the deal with the statue of Robert Lutece in the beginning that changes to one of Rosalind Lutece?

They're the same person.

 

[Sorian]

What's the deal with the statue of Robert Lutece in the beginning that changes to one of Rosalind Lutece?

More foreshadowing. It was a tear that was just closing but you have no way of knowing that at the time.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

I dunno, felt just right to me. Establishes the whole "alternate outcome" concept quite vividly.

Only thing I lament is them not using the bit from the E3 2011 demo with the film of a face projected onto the red banners draped across the buildings.

Seeing red-and-black movie footage -- rather than black-and-white -- was SO CREEPY and SO COOL.

That speech is still in there, although yeah it doesn't have the same effect walking through the red covered area

Also the voice actor/character design is totally different, lol

edit: There's a projection on a blimp, but it's a static black and white image

 

[Voice of Reason]

experience tells me that the scientific eccentric types are great in the sack

Go on.

 

[Neiteio]

Don't you still see that projection on a blimp when you get back to the slums from raiding the police station?

I can't remember, was the projection on a red banner on the blimp? I only caught a glimpse of the blimp at the last second before it took off for the factory.

 

[Andrew.]

Red Dead Biodemption

Red like the menarche on display near the syphon.

 

[Zeliard]

That speech is still in there, although yeah it doesn't have the same effect walking through the red covered area

Also the voice actor/character design is totally different, lol

I liked Stephen "Garrett" Russell better as Booker, tbh, judging from the earlier Infinite clips. Sounded older, more gravelly, more appropriately somber, more fatherly in a way.

 

[SmithnCo]

Marry Elizabeth

Bone Rosalind

Toss Fitzroy off of Columbia

Reasons being: Elizabeth is both gorgeous and a great person, experience tells me that the scientific eccentric types are great in the sack, Fitzroy is the most annoying person I have ever seen.

But what happens when Rosalind's twin shows up during the act? And they both start making cryptic comments?

 

[DICKS AHOY]

Red Dead Biodemption

Red like the menarche on display near the syphon.

learning about periods was far more terrifying than anything else I encountered in this video game

thanks levine

 

[sleeprockss]

They're the same person.

I just don't understand why it switches other than to foreshadow that some weird shit is going on in columbia.

 

[nomis]

Columbia, post-baptism Booker (of either branch), and "Elizabeth" simply don't exist. In the Bioshock universes, they've technically never existed, as those timelines are all gone. But their actions ultimately did very much matter, because without the 123 or whatnot Bookers before you, and then finally you and an unshackled Elizabeth, then nothing actually changes and Comstock destroys most of civilization.

 

[Voice of Reason]

But what happens when Rosalind's twin shows up during the act? And they both start making cryptic comments?

He NEVER cums.

 

[Neiteio]

edit: There's a projection on a blimp, but it's a static black and white image

Ah, OK. So they never do the red-and-black film projection, then... Maybe they can have a Vox-centric DLC and put it there? Too iconic a sight to go to waste!

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Great points you guys and additions. Updated the OP with them.

 

[SmithnCo]

He NEVER cums.

He never comes? Oh, he NEVER comes.

 

[beastmode]

So is the biologist Fink mentions in a voxophone probably Tenenbaum?

 

[Neiteio]

So is the biologist Fink mentions in a voxophone probably Tenenbaum?

Given the Rapture newspaper, the jump to Rapture at the end, and the parallels between Songbird and Big Daddies, Vigors and Plasmids... Probably.

 

[Andrew.]

Given the Rapture newspaper, the jump to Rapture at the end, and the parallels between Songbird and Big Daddies, Vigors and Plasmids... Probably.

Where is the Rapture newspaper located?

 

[ViewtifulJC]

I liked Stephen "Garrett" Russell better as Booker, tbh. Sounded older, more gravelly, more appropriately downtrodden, more fatherly in a way.

I really liked Troy Baker, but I do kinda miss Russel's Booker, yeah. I think he reflected his age a bit better. I often forget that Troy's Booker is suppose to be 40+ years old

"Nothing ventured...nothing gained!"

Shame he's not in Thief 4, either.

 

[Sorian]

Go on.

My ex was a lot like Rosalind in that she talked in that near monotone and would say cryptic stuff because she just expected others to get it. Not giving more details than that

But what happens when Rosalind's twin shows up during the act? And they both start making cryptic comments?

I could deal with it....

He never comes? Oh, he NEVER comes.

Then this happens and I lose it.

 

[Neiteio]

Where is the Rapture newspaper located?

Dunno, but it's in the OP:

Looks like Booker's PI office?

 

[Zeliard]

Shame he's not in Thief 4, either.

Yeah, dude can't catch a break :/

 

[Emarv]

Reposting hoping someone can help:


So, am I wrong, or is the fate of the Bioshock 1 timeline still in question? Can we be certain that in that reality (realities?) Booker accepted the baptism, meaning it is now gone? Or is it possible that that reality exists in one where Booker does not accept the baptism?

Maybe I'm missing some key fact that answers this flat-out.