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Fixed2BeBroken
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bisexual girls = hot
bisexual guys = ew
bisexual guys = ew
kitchenmotors
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Fixed2BeBroken said:
Bisexual guys = HOT!
A friend of mine recently told me he wanted it. :lol It came as quite a surprise. He doesn't want a relationship, but he said he's always been attracted to guys sexually. I find it really interesting how the straightest guy can be sexually attracted to other guys.
Date of Lies
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JeFfRey said:
No joke man, the women here control the men so much it's not even funny.
I'm considering moving out when I get older.
other than that, bisexuality rocks. when it's a girl. but it's better when it's 2 girls.
D
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JeFfRey said:
I think that the argument differs a bit because, as a lefthanded person, I can definately attest to the fact that some of us like the ladies, which leads to the breeding and the further carrying on of the trait.
the argument is probably that the "gay gene" would eventually breed out, even though not right away if it's recessive, i.e the gay population would slowly shrink and then go away.
krypt0nian
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I can say that for myself, I identified as bi for a short time on my way to gay. It seemed easier to accept until I was brave enough to come out to myself. If that makes sense.
The fact that I was dating a girl at the time really had nothing to do with it. In fact she was the first person I came out to - while we were dating. And she took it extremely well as her brother is gay as well.
I thought I was going to be screamed at, etc but to this day she and I are on the same page about lots of things.
The fact that I was dating a girl at the time really had nothing to do with it. In fact she was the first person I came out to - while we were dating. And she took it extremely well as her brother is gay as well.
I thought I was going to be screamed at, etc but to this day she and I are on the same page about lots of things.
The Shadow
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You see homosexual behavior all the time with other animals though. If it was as simple as a "gay gene" that could be selected out, it would be gone long ago.
However in some bird populations, you see homosexual behavior increase as populations increase. It's not a proportional thing but a linear increase.
I do think homosexuality is genetic but it must be closely associated with some other trait that's advantageous in over-populated environments.
However in some bird populations, you see homosexual behavior increase as populations increase. It's not a proportional thing but a linear increase.
I do think homosexuality is genetic but it must be closely associated with some other trait that's advantageous in over-populated environments.
I won't deny that for a fair number of people, identifying as bi is likely a stopgap before identifying as gay. But that doesn't equate to the nonexistence of bisexuality.
This thread could actually use some more input from some bisexuals; I know that there are a few on here...
This thread could actually use some more input from some bisexuals; I know that there are a few on here...
The Shadow said:
I read in an article in one of the papers we have here that they identified gay genes in flies and were able to make them switch teams if they spliced it right.
Its strange that GOD would allow this gene to exist. Seeing how he made the universe and all. (And retarded/deformed genes/diseases)
Its one of the bazillion rationalisation/debate I had with my pastor before I abadoned my faith. Shenanigans.
The Shadow
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Odnetnin said:
My POV on religion is pretty deep but I'll just say one thing. If there is a God, I think a lot of people who call themselves "Christian" but have so much intolerance and hate are going to be seriously disappointed and confused when they're burning in hell.
If there is a hell anyway.
Lemurnator
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How can a person be gay though if they still find guys attractive, but they just so happen to also find girls attractive or vice versa.
If you're attracted to both it's not like you're a repressed homosexual because you still have sexual feelings for the opposite gender.
If you're attracted to both it's not like you're a repressed homosexual because you still have sexual feelings for the opposite gender.
Lemurnator
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I started a serious thread with no intention to offend anyone over anything. I just wanted to ask what peoples views are on bisexuality as nobody ever talks about it.
Other people are the ones who went and acted like fools. I'll leave this topic alone but I don't see what exactly it is that I did wrong. I don't care, I'm done posting in here though.
Edit: Thought you were banning me, I didn't see the last bit. still... I'm done posting in this thread and would be pleased if you locked it. I don't see what I'm at fault for exactly though.
Other people are the ones who went and acted like fools. I'll leave this topic alone but I don't see what exactly it is that I did wrong. I don't care, I'm done posting in here though.
Edit: Thought you were banning me, I didn't see the last bit. still... I'm done posting in this thread and would be pleased if you locked it. I don't see what I'm at fault for exactly though.
krypt0nian
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aoi tsuki said:
Let's see - I guess the best way to describe it would be to say that it was more acceptable to myself to think that I was bi, but did not intend to act on my gay urges. I tell people I "kept it in a box on the shelf" - but then I was in England studying for a year away from all usual outside influences (friends/family) and got more confortable with myself until I could say "fuck it" and be myself come what may.
The interesting part is that none of my friends or family batted an eye. Not that they expected it, but it only seemed to be a small bump in the road. I'm very lucky that way I guess.
Lemurnator
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He was derailing my thread with his bullshit. He wasn't offended and even if he was it's because he's one of those people who look for things to be offended about.
I was asking a question, not making a statement. I made this thread admitting I was pretty much ignorant of what is socially understood about the subject and I just posted my assumptions to be corrected or acknowledged depending on how people felt. Not to be badgered and insulted by someone who took to heart something that clearly wasn't meant to be taken as a firm opinion.
Either way that person has long since gone away and the subject has spun on it's own into something that has nothing to do with my question or that I'm a part of so as far as I see it my roll in this thread is over.
I said I wouldn't post anymore in this thread but I'm just posting this to reply to you.
I was asking a question, not making a statement. I made this thread admitting I was pretty much ignorant of what is socially understood about the subject and I just posted my assumptions to be corrected or acknowledged depending on how people felt. Not to be badgered and insulted by someone who took to heart something that clearly wasn't meant to be taken as a firm opinion.
Either way that person has long since gone away and the subject has spun on it's own into something that has nothing to do with my question or that I'm a part of so as far as I see it my roll in this thread is over.
I said I wouldn't post anymore in this thread but I'm just posting this to reply to you.
Lil' Dice said:
A pretty broad statement to make, but that doesn't mean there may be a kernel of truth to it. I spent the second half of my college life taking a lot of psychology courses coupled with a fair share of classes that dived into the more social aspects of the Internet. To sum it all up using the words of a classmate, "The Internet was built on science fiction and porn."
To put it a bit more delicately, even a cursory browsing of Google results would reveal that curiousity begets fetish. And I don't say that in any kind of way to demean people who are gay. But I think it's a little naive to think that with all that's out there - from furries to human/machine to dressing as infants to extreme sadomasochism (like, we're talking meat hooks) - there won't be a few people who might want to explore homosexuality just for the sake of curiosity, and in the process may end up liking it. (And let's be honest for a moment: Regular, textbook homosexual sex is definitely much more tame than some of the more traditional, heterosexual fetishes that are out there.)
If they simply enjoy it for the sake of the thrill of the vice, I don't think it's fair to just paint them as gay and end the discussion, nor is it fair to say that all claims of bisexuality are just a stop-gap to coming out as gay.
From my experience, bi people are just really fricken horny. Or they're the type that think "I kissed a girl, I'm bi!" And this whole trend started when I was in highschool. It's an attention getter and not just bisexuality, but homosexuality can be too if you're male.
Being a dyke won't get you attention, being a chick who will kiss girls will. Being a flaming hotdog cowboy will get you social interaction. It's just another social class system which starts in highschool and continues on afterwards. Like the guy in your office who acts like the highschool quarterback, trying to start catch phrases which everyone rolls their eyes at.
Being a dyke won't get you attention, being a chick who will kiss girls will. Being a flaming hotdog cowboy will get you social interaction. It's just another social class system which starts in highschool and continues on afterwards. Like the guy in your office who acts like the highschool quarterback, trying to start catch phrases which everyone rolls their eyes at.
WrathOfOtaibah
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Most girls are bi because its cool. A female friend of mine said she made out with a girl because she thought it was cool. She liked it and said privately, they had sex. She said she fucking hated it and preferred men for her sex needs. She said she'd never make out with another girl again.
Alyssa Hu$tle
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GREAT thread Lemurnator. 10 bright stars to you!! Thank you for starting it, and fuck everyone who gives you shit for it.
Personally, I dont think bi-sexuality and homosexuality are the same thing. I think there may be a genetic disposition to homosexuality, but I dont think genetics is the only factor at play here. I think environment and conditioning (being early childhood experiences and influences) also play a part, I dont believe the reasons for a persons sexuality can be categorised that easily, no matter what orientation you are. I believe there are a combination of factors at play, but the genetics may be a stronger influence for those who are true homosexuals.
For me personally, I class myself as bi-sexual. But at times if I am honest, I am rather confused as to my sexual orientation these days (which may sound strange for a happily married woman).
My first infatuation with a woman was with my Year 12 English teacher. Oh gosh, did I have a crush on that woman. I idolised her, fantasised about her hell, I wanted to BE her, and she had a major influence on the woman I have become today she was my major role model. I never let my feelings known to her however. Previous to this time, I was involved with and very attracted to men (and had a boyfriend at the time), she was an isolated incident (in that there were no other women I were attracted to, yet I could find women attractive if that makes sense).
At the age of 19, I had my first sexual experience with a woman. The only reason I did this was because I was curious as to what it was like. I was seeing a guy, and he knew of another woman who was also curious, so he hooked it up. However he was there too, and for me half the turn on was the fact that he was there and getting off on it, so I was able to satisfy my curiosity, and get off on the thrill of him being there at the same time. At that stage, it was about the thrill rather than a true sexual orientation. To me, she was just an object, I cant say I was truly attracted to her.
But she was a disappointment, and I didnt feel like I satisfied my curiosity, so we tried again with a different woman. However again, him being there was a big factor for me if we were 2 girls alone I dont know that I would have been that interested at the time.
Yet as I have gotten older, things have changed. There was a woman at work recently who I developed a massive crush on. MASSIVE. She rocked my world. See, I can look at an attractive girl and think gosh, shes hot but the feelings stop there at the observation. Where-as I can look at an attractive man and think gosh, hes hot *groin starts to tingle* I wonder what he would be like between my thighs *graphic mental imagery of hot passionate sex* It goes further than what I generally feel for an attractive woman. Yet with this girl from work, oh boy did I get the tingles. She did it for me BAD, more so than most men would. After her, I started looking at women a different way, and to be honest, there was a time there where women were much more attractive to me sexually than men. I would fantasise about women all the time, and pretty much lost interest in heterosexual sex for a short space of time..."No honey, not tonight, I have a headache" (whist furiously masturbating about this girl from work behind his back).
The difference here to when I was younger, was that I wanted this for ME alone. I did not want another man in the room, in fact it would have diminished the experience for me.. This was something I wanted for my benefit alone, not because it was a turn on for him. It was all about me (although I never did it, because it is still cheating on my husband, even if it is a woman no actually I lie, it was because I wasnt ready to make the first move because I was married, but if she did I dont know that I would have said no. I think she was keen too, but she wasnt going to make a move either because I was married, so stale mate
).
So for me, I am generally attracted sexually to men, however can appreciate a womans beauty. But every once in a while, some special woman comes along and turns my whole world upside down and turns me inside out and makes me question my very being.
Is it genetic? Who can say? Why am I like this? Beats me.
But it sucks though. Specially when you are married.
And to all those who have commented on what God would allow to exist, God created us just perfectly, every single one of us. It is US that puts the judgement on what is bad or not. Not God. He loves us all, exactly the way we are. To say otherwise is to put God down when you think of it, you are saying God fucked up basically, and you are putting Him down, when you think about it.
That's all. I have written a novel already.
Personally, I dont think bi-sexuality and homosexuality are the same thing. I think there may be a genetic disposition to homosexuality, but I dont think genetics is the only factor at play here. I think environment and conditioning (being early childhood experiences and influences) also play a part, I dont believe the reasons for a persons sexuality can be categorised that easily, no matter what orientation you are. I believe there are a combination of factors at play, but the genetics may be a stronger influence for those who are true homosexuals.
For me personally, I class myself as bi-sexual. But at times if I am honest, I am rather confused as to my sexual orientation these days (which may sound strange for a happily married woman).
My first infatuation with a woman was with my Year 12 English teacher. Oh gosh, did I have a crush on that woman. I idolised her, fantasised about her hell, I wanted to BE her, and she had a major influence on the woman I have become today she was my major role model. I never let my feelings known to her however. Previous to this time, I was involved with and very attracted to men (and had a boyfriend at the time), she was an isolated incident (in that there were no other women I were attracted to, yet I could find women attractive if that makes sense).
At the age of 19, I had my first sexual experience with a woman. The only reason I did this was because I was curious as to what it was like. I was seeing a guy, and he knew of another woman who was also curious, so he hooked it up. However he was there too, and for me half the turn on was the fact that he was there and getting off on it, so I was able to satisfy my curiosity, and get off on the thrill of him being there at the same time. At that stage, it was about the thrill rather than a true sexual orientation. To me, she was just an object, I cant say I was truly attracted to her.
But she was a disappointment, and I didnt feel like I satisfied my curiosity, so we tried again with a different woman. However again, him being there was a big factor for me if we were 2 girls alone I dont know that I would have been that interested at the time.
Yet as I have gotten older, things have changed. There was a woman at work recently who I developed a massive crush on. MASSIVE. She rocked my world. See, I can look at an attractive girl and think gosh, shes hot but the feelings stop there at the observation. Where-as I can look at an attractive man and think gosh, hes hot *groin starts to tingle* I wonder what he would be like between my thighs *graphic mental imagery of hot passionate sex* It goes further than what I generally feel for an attractive woman. Yet with this girl from work, oh boy did I get the tingles. She did it for me BAD, more so than most men would. After her, I started looking at women a different way, and to be honest, there was a time there where women were much more attractive to me sexually than men. I would fantasise about women all the time, and pretty much lost interest in heterosexual sex for a short space of time..."No honey, not tonight, I have a headache" (whist furiously masturbating about this girl from work behind his back).
The difference here to when I was younger, was that I wanted this for ME alone. I did not want another man in the room, in fact it would have diminished the experience for me.. This was something I wanted for my benefit alone, not because it was a turn on for him. It was all about me (although I never did it, because it is still cheating on my husband, even if it is a woman no actually I lie, it was because I wasnt ready to make the first move because I was married, but if she did I dont know that I would have said no. I think she was keen too, but she wasnt going to make a move either because I was married, so stale mate
).So for me, I am generally attracted sexually to men, however can appreciate a womans beauty. But every once in a while, some special woman comes along and turns my whole world upside down and turns me inside out and makes me question my very being.
Is it genetic? Who can say? Why am I like this? Beats me.
But it sucks though. Specially when you are married.
And to all those who have commented on what God would allow to exist, God created us just perfectly, every single one of us. It is US that puts the judgement on what is bad or not. Not God. He loves us all, exactly the way we are. To say otherwise is to put God down when you think of it, you are saying God fucked up basically, and you are putting Him down, when you think about it.
That's all. I have written a novel already.
Cauliflower of Love
Banned
I love women, but at the same time, I can look in a mirror and furiously abuse myself sexually. Does that count?
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
I've met some men who've claimed to be bisexual but did, indeed, seem to be in denial about something. Compared to some of the ignorant comments here though, it wasn't about being gay. In one case, the guy was pretty much straight as far as raw physical attraction goes, but had for a long time convinced himself he was "bi" to some degree because of a really intense, but ultimately platonic, relationship with a male friend.
On the other hand, I do know one guy who, IMHO, is "truly and naturally bi". The reason I feel this is that I've known a lot of straight and gay men. I've known several fence-sitters who use "bi" as a default term. In every case except this one guy, the "bi" men were physically keyed off by other men. Their relations to women were romantic, but physically platonic.
In the exceptional case, the man I know absolutely, truly, gut-feeling level, is capable of having comfortable phyiscal affection and attraction to either gender. It's a certain sense of "comfort" like that which he gives off that makes him real. He's not nervous, not trying to cover something else up, or push something away. In its own way, it's really rather beautiful - seeing someone who is *totally* comfortable with either sex of human being, on all levels. There's no awkwardness or clusmy fumbling with either gender.
Side comment: one of the wisest things I've seen stated by someone on topics like this, is that *there is a difference* between romance-sense, cuddle-sense, and fuck-sense. They are all real and valid human emotional states, and they overlap one another in various ways at various times. But they are not the same thing, and a ton of people are screwed up and confused with telling the difference between them.
It is entirely possible to naturally desire phyiscal contact without desiring sex; it's entirely possible to feel romantic emotions without particular urge for physical contact and/or sexual arousal. For instance, there's a woman I know who is in every way gorgeous, physically and mentally. We're great friends. I feel a sense of whimsical romance around her; we're quite comfortable together. But I've zero sexual attraction to her, and anything physical (cuddle-sense) at all is born out of normal levels of platonic affection. Teh boobies do zip for me. The female olfactory qualities do zero for me.
On the other hand, I do know one guy who, IMHO, is "truly and naturally bi". The reason I feel this is that I've known a lot of straight and gay men. I've known several fence-sitters who use "bi" as a default term. In every case except this one guy, the "bi" men were physically keyed off by other men. Their relations to women were romantic, but physically platonic.
In the exceptional case, the man I know absolutely, truly, gut-feeling level, is capable of having comfortable phyiscal affection and attraction to either gender. It's a certain sense of "comfort" like that which he gives off that makes him real. He's not nervous, not trying to cover something else up, or push something away. In its own way, it's really rather beautiful - seeing someone who is *totally* comfortable with either sex of human being, on all levels. There's no awkwardness or clusmy fumbling with either gender.
Side comment: one of the wisest things I've seen stated by someone on topics like this, is that *there is a difference* between romance-sense, cuddle-sense, and fuck-sense. They are all real and valid human emotional states, and they overlap one another in various ways at various times. But they are not the same thing, and a ton of people are screwed up and confused with telling the difference between them.
It is entirely possible to naturally desire phyiscal contact without desiring sex; it's entirely possible to feel romantic emotions without particular urge for physical contact and/or sexual arousal. For instance, there's a woman I know who is in every way gorgeous, physically and mentally. We're great friends. I feel a sense of whimsical romance around her; we're quite comfortable together. But I've zero sexual attraction to her, and anything physical (cuddle-sense) at all is born out of normal levels of platonic affection. Teh boobies do zip for me. The female olfactory qualities do zero for me.
Koshiba said:Eh.. I guess bisexuality is different for alot of people. For me, I'm bisexual for the most part. I'm attracted to both male and female. But in a way, when in a relationship, I don't exactly consider myself to be completely bisexual. Since I choose to be with only one person, meaning I should really only be interested in just that person.So depending on if that person is male or female..
What will you do when you want to get married?
will you just choice to not be "bi" anymore?
Cauliflower of Love
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FiRez said:
Do hetereosexuals turn off thier "I'm attracted to other women" switch?
muncheese said:
This is very different actually.
but considering the world we live today, maybe they will a find a "very liberal" partner. but is still conflictive in many aspects.
Sincerely IMHO I will not stand having a bi girlfriend, and I will not be shocked to be in the minority in this.
Yeah, I don't know what firez is talking about. If I'm in love with a girl, and we want to get married, I could care less if she's bi.
It's not like, "oh, honey, there's a hot chick. Since I'm bi I'm obligated to go over there and f*ck her."
And it's not like her attraction to men is any less than a straight girl, right? I'm guessing not.
Edit: Oh, and I'm a moderate. I'm not very liberal. I'm sure others feel the same way. Only the religious right would care. They'd be like "oh, sweetie wes gots to send you to Love in Action and fix that them there wickness."
It's not like, "oh, honey, there's a hot chick. Since I'm bi I'm obligated to go over there and f*ck her."
And it's not like her attraction to men is any less than a straight girl, right? I'm guessing not.
Edit: Oh, and I'm a moderate. I'm not very liberal. I'm sure others feel the same way. Only the religious right would care. They'd be like "oh, sweetie wes gots to send you to Love in Action and fix that them there wickness."
It's hard to me to explain my point more further because my english but I will try:
if your partner is bi, it's more conflictive because you can't be like a person of the other sex if he/she feels in the mood, so basically there are more probabilities of cheating because is his/her "nature" to be like that.
But if you're fine with that good for you, maybe we'll see a trio wedding soon.
also I think I will feel more betrayed if my gf cheated on me with a woman because the same reason, but like I said is just my opinion. and btw I consider myself agnostic if you think that my opinion is religious biased
if your partner is bi, it's more conflictive because you can't be like a person of the other sex if he/she feels in the mood, so basically there are more probabilities of cheating because is his/her "nature" to be like that.
But if you're fine with that good for you, maybe we'll see a trio wedding soon.
also I think I will feel more betrayed if my gf cheated on me with a woman because the same reason, but like I said is just my opinion. and btw I consider myself agnostic if you think that my opinion is religious biased
Well I would assume bi means they have the capacity to love both sexes.
It's not like with a hetereo couple: "oh, gee sorry honey, but I'm feeling like a fat chick tonight. I'll go out and have an affair and we might have sex tomorrow. K? thx bye"
It's not like with a hetereo couple: "oh, gee sorry honey, but I'm feeling like a fat chick tonight. I'll go out and have an affair and we might have sex tomorrow. K? thx bye"
Cauliflower of Love
Banned
Pellham said:
What tendencies? Loving the cawk? Then yes.
Shawnwhann
Banned
Here are my two cents on this whole discussion...
I am a 22 year old African-American heterosexual man. As a teenager, I looked at bisexual and homosexuality as evil and something that was deplorable. I grew up going to a Baptist Christian church, and they reinforced many conservative assumptions I had about life (particularly the "evil" nature of homosexual relationships). As I have become older and exposed to many different perspectives and realities, my views about many things have changed. My miseducation about sexuality is something I am happy to say I have unlearned.
I no longer look at homosexuality as the "evil other". I consider it to be a natural occurence that happens in life. When someone gets physically and emotionally aroused by another human being(same sex or not) it is normal. The oppression and ridicule the members of the gay/bi/transgendered communities receive is something that is higly undesirable. What person would openly subject themselves to grief of being "different" in that way here in the States.
The labels that we give to everything to try to separate our "normal" selves from the "inferior" other sicken me. Why cant we all just be who we are without all of the drama and deliberation. Last time I checked we are all related by virtue of being human beings, so why can't we stop the labels that cloud and confuse our identities.
In summation, to answer the question posed by the thread starter I respectfully yet emphatically say "WHO CARES". Let people be who they are, and lets embrace our subtle differences and realize that we all are the same in the grand scheme of things.
I am a 22 year old African-American heterosexual man. As a teenager, I looked at bisexual and homosexuality as evil and something that was deplorable. I grew up going to a Baptist Christian church, and they reinforced many conservative assumptions I had about life (particularly the "evil" nature of homosexual relationships). As I have become older and exposed to many different perspectives and realities, my views about many things have changed. My miseducation about sexuality is something I am happy to say I have unlearned.
I no longer look at homosexuality as the "evil other". I consider it to be a natural occurence that happens in life. When someone gets physically and emotionally aroused by another human being(same sex or not) it is normal. The oppression and ridicule the members of the gay/bi/transgendered communities receive is something that is higly undesirable. What person would openly subject themselves to grief of being "different" in that way here in the States.
The labels that we give to everything to try to separate our "normal" selves from the "inferior" other sicken me. Why cant we all just be who we are without all of the drama and deliberation. Last time I checked we are all related by virtue of being human beings, so why can't we stop the labels that cloud and confuse our identities.
In summation, to answer the question posed by the thread starter I respectfully yet emphatically say "WHO CARES". Let people be who they are, and lets embrace our subtle differences and realize that we all are the same in the grand scheme of things.
Cauliflower of Love
Banned
My view on sexualty. Everyone has the possibilyt of being bisexual. Just a matter or predertemination and/or enviromental influences.
Volume and Stero Controls.
Volume = Amplitude of someone's sexual drive.
Stereo = Which way to go. (L = male, R = Female)
You can be all the way left channel, but with no sexual drive, you won't be cock hungry all the time.
Balanced sound and medium volume would be the example gave of a friend that's comfortable with both sexes. Different combinations.
Volume and Stero Controls.
Volume = Amplitude of someone's sexual drive.
Stereo = Which way to go. (L = male, R = Female)
You can be all the way left channel, but with no sexual drive, you won't be cock hungry all the time.
Balanced sound and medium volume would be the example gave of a friend that's comfortable with both sexes. Different combinations.
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