Black Lives Matter supporters interrupt Hillary Clinton Rally

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I was just about to go here. Like wtf are people thinking? Forcing democrats to escort them out of rallies because they are too rowdy and consequently generating bad press in the black community who largely won't understand is the quickest way to get a Republican back in the WH.
I don't think it's bad press for the candidate in minority communities. The positivity/negativity of the coverage probably depends on how the candidate responds. Nothing majorly offensive came from Hillary at the event itself.

As for how she handles it later on, we'll need more time to see that actually unfold.
 
Any meaningful examples you care to share?
Maybe this can give you an idea of the scope of BLM: http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2015/08/us/disruptors/

These aren't random people meeting up on Craigslist the week of a presidential rally to interrupt it. It's a national movement with leadership in every major city.

Jesus Christ man. Think about what you are saying here. I am as black as anybody at that protest and I can realize that like grandfather used to say, there's a time and a place for everything.
The time and place for presidential candidates to say anything meaningful about black lives was centuries ago, and our current candidates don't give a fuck. This is how long black people have been waiting. Sanders didn't get a racial justice section on his website until BLM forced him to say something.
 
Good.

Bernie had to make sure he was on tiptoes in spite of his voting record and stances, Hillary should not get free passes because of the image of her husband being a 'black president'
 
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Good.

First post nailed it.
 
At what exactly?

This is embarrassing honestly. They're barking up the wrong tree. If they wanted to help, they would be protesting to law makers. And trying to rally people to actually vote for their state's lawmakers when it actually matters.
Potential president of the United States is what now?

Civics courses, these days.
 
It's not a binary choice between "sit down and shut up" and "disrupt organized event in a fashion that upsets and alienates people who might help you".

If these protests are going to get people to turn their backs on black folk then those "allies" were never really allies in the first place.

I've got no time for fickle "allies" who will drop all support at the slightest sign of backbone.
 
It's not a binary choice between "sit down and shut up" and "disrupt organized event in a fashion that upsets and alienates people who might help you".
That's the point. Hillary isn't going to do jack shit, and she knows it. She's being called on by the people she's trying to court to own up to her words.
 
Maybe this can give you an idea of the scope of BLM: http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2015/08/us/disruptors/

These aren't random people meeting up on Craigslist the week of a presidential rally to interrupt it. It's a national movement with leadership in every major city.

They have made a pretty profound change for Sander's campaign and have discussed the same policies with Clinton.

Reflections on Meeting with Senator Bernie Sanders and Secretary Hillary Clinton, and the #DemDebate

I recently joined protestors and activists in meeting with Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton to discuss the #BlackLivesMatter movement and policy proposals, anchored in #CampaignZero, to end police violence.
We have also requested meetings with Martin O'Malley, Marco Rubio, and Ben Carson. In general, we are open to meeting with any candidate seeking to be the next President to discuss these ideas.

https://medium.com/@deray/reflectio...llary-clinton-and-the-38c4a2d9f797#.4ozbu0bqh
 
A small group of protesters are generating bad press for the entire black community.
No.

Them getting escorted out of rallies will resonate negatively within the black community. Thus dissuadeding the black community towards these candidates. When it is only happening to Democrats then there is really only one other alternative to vote for.
 
I'm not sure that sabotaging the political rallies of the only candidates who might be your allies in office is really an effective technique.

"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."

-MLK, Letter from a Birmingham Jail 1963

Why not push the issue you care about and need those in power to care about to the person who is likely to be the next leader of the free world. You have to hold your leaders feet to the fire. Even those who claim to be on your side.
 
No.

Them getting escorted out of rallies will resonate negatively within the black community. Thus dissuadeding the black community towards these candidates. When it is only happening to Democrats then there is really only one other alternative to vote for.

My gut feeling is that is not how it will turn out, at all.

We'll see.


Also, fucking THIS:
"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."

MLK, Letter from a Birmingham Jail 1963

Why not push the issue you care about and need those in power to care about to the person who is likely to be the next leader of the free world. You have to hold your leaders feet to the fire. Even those who claim to be on your side.
 
It's not a binary choice between "sit down and shut up" and "disrupt organized event in a fashion that upsets and alienates people who might help you".

Our political process is focused around the presidential election every alternating two-year period. Think about how politics are covered in the media. At the moment nearly everything revolves around presidential candidates until next November.

It gets attention.
 
I was just about to go here. Like wtf are people thinking? Forcing democrats to escort them out of rallies because they are too rowdy and consequently generating bad press in the black community who largely won't understand is the quickest way to get a Republican back in the WH.

Why would they not understand?
 
No.

Them getting escorted out of rallies will resonate negatively within the black community. Thus dissuadeding the black community towards these candidates. When it is only happening to Democrats then there is really only one other alternative to vote for.
As it's already been stated if this is all it takes to drop support for BLM then they never gave a shit to begin with
 
Potential president of the United States is what now?

Civics courses, these days.
Not a lawmaker?

I wanna say I learned that in 4th grade American Government. So yeah you're half right.
I don't think it's bad press for the candidate in minority communities. The positivity/negativity of the coverage probably depends on how the candidate responds. Nothing majorly offensive came from Hillary at the event itself.

As for how she handles it later on, we'll need more time to see that actually unfold.
It most certainly is. Bernie is still getting reamed and called racist by people I've talked to on the matter. All it takes is a loosely worded Facebook post and people's opinion change rapidly.
 
If I were a betting man, I would take a guess that police brutality against blacks was worse two decades ago.

I mean, the whole point of this is that they are tied of it, this shit has been happening for decades.

The explosion of mobile devices and the internet has exposed all the not nice things that white middle class people have been able to pretend doesn't exist.

Hadn't really considered the willful ignorance angle, good point.
 
Republicans don't care about black people. They wouldn't listen to a goddamn thing BLM would have to say.

So? The GOP should be enemy #1 when it comes to creating PR drama which is what these "crashes" ultimately do.

Democrats get lobbied from all places to get things done for the Black community and are usually very receptive - well the overwhelmingly most receptive. Nothing gets done in Congress cause the GOP will block shit and we know it.

The GOP should be their #1 target. Bush, Rubio, Carson's, Huckabee's camp are prime real estate. Take the events with racists head on. If the goal of this group is to really turn their movement into a national plea, it's time to start banging on the doors that are completely shut down. Problem is, the other side won't go as easy on them. Not that it should be a deterrent.
 
No.

Them getting escorted out of rallies will resonate negatively within the black community. Thus dissuadeding the black community towards these candidates. When it is only happening to Democrats then there is really only one other alternative to vote for.

Ok, I kinda thought like this once before too.

You understand that the republicans are not capable of saying stuff like Black Lives Matter? Like, the entire voting base of that party are white people who pretend racism is over and everything is hunky dory.

Democrats are the only party right now with a chance of enacting some decent reform, trying to push a party to do something via raising awareness is the only thing they can actually do to push their own agenda.

Also, the idea that "omg the blacks might not vote for the democrats!!!! SHIT WE NEED MINORITIES" is a pretty fucked up way to think and a pretty fucked up way to think about other people.

it's like, "yea yea, I care about blacks and minorities as long as they vote liberal, they better not vote republican or they can go fuck themselves!"
 
"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."

-MLK, Letter from a Birmingham Jail 1963

Why not push the issue you care about and need those in power to care about to the person who is likely to be the next leader of the free world. You have to hold your leaders feet to the fire. Even those who claim to be on your side.

That this was 50 years ago really emphasizes this point .
 
Some of these tweets Shaun King retweeted

Avery. ‏@Philosavery 3h3 hours ago
Today I was dragged out of @HillaryClinton rally by Blck Police in frnt of Blck "Leaders," people clapped & no one intervened. #Hillary4Who

annalise keating ‏@Tagans_Reign 5h
Hillary felt safe saying #BlackLivesMatter in the AUC, but not at the Democratic Debate.
 
What Hillary has been saying about inequality is better, good even... but we need a candidate to specifically address police brutality. It seems like a political issue that nobody wants to touch but Rand fucking Paul of all people.

I 100% support protesters getting up and making noise at high profile rallies.
 
Ok, I kinda thought like this once before too.

You understand that the republicans are not capable of saying stuff like Black Lives Matter? Like, the entire voting base of that party are white people who pretend racism is over and everything is hunky dory.

Democrats are the only party right now with a chance of enacting some decent reform, trying to push a party to do something via raising awareness is the only thing they can actually do to push their own agenda.

Also, the idea that "omg the blacks might not vote for the democrats!!!! SHIT WE NEED MINORITIES" is a pretty fucked up way to think and a pretty fucked up way to think about other people.

it's like, "yea yea, I care about blacks and minorities as long as they vote liberal, they better not vote republican or they can go fuck themselves!"
Im black and I have no qualms about saying that yes we need my people to vote democratic if they want to see anything resembling progress. And I also have no qualms about saying most people don't seem to know shit about government and sabotaging a presidential rally who in all reality can have nothing to do about state and county ran police is not very effective at seeing the change they want.

Seriously people. Midterms. City and state elections. But nobody cares about those for whatever fucking reason and we get Congress' like we have now.
 
"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."

-MLK, Letter from a Birmingham Jail 1963

Why not push the issue you care about and need those in power to care about to the person who is likely to be the next leader of the free world. You have to hold your leaders feet to the fire. Even those who claim to be on your side.

Beat me too it. it never a good time for negro issues. And they can never be brought up right.

Fuck that noise. If you these protests turn you against the issues BLM are pushing then you didn't give one good shit about black lives to begin with.
 
Im black and I have no qualms about saying that yes we need my people to vote democratic if they want to see anything resembling progress. And I also have no qualms about saying most people don't seem to know shit about government and sabotaging a presidential rally who in all reality can have nothing to do about state and county ran police is not very effective at seeing the change they want.

Seriously people. Midterms. City and state elections.

If they don't try to make it a major campaign issue how would reform be passed when she gets into office?

It's about awareness, they succeeded.
 
Beat me too it. it never a good time for negro issues. And they can never be brought up right.

Fuck that noise. If you these protests turn against the issues BLM are pushing then you didn't give one good shit about black lives to begin with.

Yep, 100% truth. The crisis of race in America isn't getting better it's getting worse and the more we sit around with our thumbs up our asses waiting for old white racists to be replaced with young white racists the worse it's going to get.
 
If they don't try to make it a major campaign issue how would reform be passed when she gets into office?

It's about awareness, they succeeded.

They're creating awareness with the only group that has always been receptive and has always been aware? If the other half doesn't cooperate there is no way, no how significant shit will get done. It's a fools errand and will continue to be so.
 
I was all for stopping the dehumanizing treatment of minorities, accountability for violent police and developing mechanisms to lessen income inequality....until those black guys crashed my candidate's rally.
 
They're creating awareness with the only group that has always been receptive and has always been aware? If the other half doesn't cooperate there is no way, no how significant shit will get done. It's a fools errand and will continue to be so.
Democrats aren't receptive, as shown by the results of this, today. BLM is long done with liberal promises and then surprise it's fucking nothing.gif. If they actually give a fuck, let's see the work.

What's with the few of you who care about the survival of Democrats over black issues?
 
They're creating awareness with the only group that has always been receptive and has always been aware? If the other half doesn't cooperate there is no way, no how significant shit will get done. It's a fools errand and will continue to be so.

Distantly aware like a fire on the horizon that they couldn't give a single shit about.
 
If they don't try to make it a major campaign issue how would reform be passed when she gets into office?

It's about awareness, they succeeded.
The only thing she would be able to do is sign or veto bills that come across her desk. Do you not understand this? Do you think Hillary or Bernie or any other possible politician in the world cares more about enacting police reform than Obama right now? Do you realize why he hasnt been able to do anything?
 
Democrats aren't receptive, as shown by the results of this, today. BLM is long done with liberal promises and then surprise it's fucking nothing.gif. If they actually give a fuck, let's see the work.

What's with the few of you who care about the survival of Democrats over black issues?
Get a fucking clue man.
 
If they don't try to make it a major campaign issue how would reform be passed when she gets into office? .
Nothing will be passed right now. When you look at a place like Ferguson- the big hammer you can use is DoJ investigations, and that's already being done under the Obama administration. (Hillary would presumably be a continuation of that.) But it's a big hammer trying to play whack-a-mole with what's fundamentally a state/local issue. The cops in Ferguson were doing exactly what the officials wanted them to do- exploit the people living there as a revenue source. The cops in NYC are implementing Stop and Frisk, just like they're told to do by elected officials. It's very hard to fix these issues on a macro level because of this- you can pass a national cop cam law, which will greatly help things overall, but it won't do a thing to combat the issues specific to black communities.
 
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