Black Lives Matter supporters interrupt Hillary Clinton Rally

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benjipwns said:
To quote the Department of Justice's Civil Rights Division:

When there's serious police misconduct, especially when police murder innocents, they should be filing federal charges, not letting police departments handle it internally.
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The DOJ has looked into several of these recent big cases and lack of meaningful evidence gets these cops off everytime. Thats not the answer. You need to reform the racism before it happens, not after.
 
rambis said:
Yes the president executes laws and he has veto authority. He does not make laws, he enacts or vetos what is presented to him from the congress. If you want to call these basic facts semantics then whatever but this reeks of a bad attempt to save face after your earlier snark.

I mean he is being sued by almost half the states for trying create immigration policy via executive order and was threatened by congress for another lawsuit. And he is still begging congress to actually write a bill.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/224948-obama-to-congress-pass-a-bill

If this doesn't explain to you the scope of his law making ability, I dont know what will.
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The President has a large amount of ever increasing administrative and executive discretion, and neither Congress, nor the Courts will call him on it. Especially when he's not doing something other than enforcing the actual law with greater effort.

The George W. Bush administration to its credit held back on medical marijuana prosecutions because it regarded those to be state issues. It could have cracked down on them as hard as the Obama Administration has let the DEA but it didn't because of the people in positions of power and their discretion.

rambis said:
The DOJ has looked into several of these recent big cases and lack of meaningful evidence gets these cops off everytime. Thats not the answer. You need to reform the racism before it happens, not after.
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The DoJ is borderline blind to police abuse cases. The FBI took a quick peek at the Kelly Thomas case and left and that was a white guy blatantly beaten to death. The FBI hasn't made any statements in the Eric Garner case since February. They throw these down the rabbit hole until people hopefully forget.

I'm still shocked they even bothered to conduct a full scale investigation in the Brown shooting.
 
border said:
Exactly what good would it do to ban employers from asking about criminal convictions?

Any decent job is probably going to have a background check anyway.
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It's not a 100% fix, but it would at least give some people a chance to be interviewed so they can make a good impression and perhaps explain in person what happened. A 50 year old man's drunk driving conviction at 17 shouldn't follow him around forever and keep him from even being considered for a job.
 
So, I'm not a conspiracy theorist or anything. But have you guys heard about George Soros's connections with the leadership of BLM? I'm not saying that Soros is a giant Bernie stan. But it's a little suspect, right? Just asking questions!
 
lednerg said:
It's not a 100% fix, but it would at least give some people a chance to be interviewed so they can make a good impression and perhaps explain in person what happened. A 50 year old man's drunk driving conviction at 17 shouldn't follow him around forever and keep him from even being considered for a job.
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Yeah in pratice it works for low paying jobs for the most part. It definitely helps the poor in that aspect. Companies hiring an AC tech, a Maintenance Tech, a Plumber etc won't make a big deal about such thing if it's not right there in their face (the application) but rather a digging they have to make on a background check. These are the jobs the most needy with convictions are after, not the 60k job with a college degree. Not perfect but helps.
 
Cyan said:
So, I'm not a conspiracy theorist or anything. But have you guys heard about George Soros's connections with the leadership of BLM? I'm not saying that Soros is a giant Bernie stan. But it's a little suspect, right? Just asking questions!
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Somebody explain this joke or comment in a non-sarcastic way so a noob at politics like me can understand please.

What is a stan?
 
Cyan said:
So, I'm not a conspiracy theorist or anything. But have you guys heard about George Soros's connections with the leadership of BLM? I'm not saying that Soros is a giant Bernie stan. But it's a little suspect, right? Just asking questions!
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Soros-sponsored organizations helped mobilize protests in Ferguson, building grass-roots coalitions on the ground backed by a nationwide online and social media campaign.

Other Soros-funded groups made it their job to remotely monitor and exploit anything related to the incident that they could portray as a conservative misstep, and to develop academic research and editorials to disseminate to the news media to keep the story alive.

The plethora of organizations involved not only shared Mr. Soros‘ funding, but they also fed off each other, using content and buzzwords developed by one organization on another’s website, referencing each other’s news columns and by creating a social media echo chamber of Facebook “likes” and Twitter hashtags that dominated the mainstream media and personal online newsfeeds.

Buses of activists from the Samuel Dewitt Proctor Conference in Chicago; from the Drug Policy Alliance, Make the Road New York and Equal Justice USA from New York; from Sojourners, the Advancement Project and Center for Community Change in Washington; and networks from the Gamaliel Foundation — all funded in part by Mr. Soros — descended on Ferguson starting in August and later organized protests and gatherings in the city until late last month.

All were aimed at keeping the media’s attention on the city and to widen the scope of the incident to focus on interrelated causes — not just the overpolicing and racial discrimination narratives that were highlighted by the news media in August.

“I went to Ferguson in a quest to be in solidarity and stand with the young organizers and affirm their leadership,” said Kassandra Frederique, policy manager at the Drug Policy Alliance, which was founded by Mr. Soros, and which receives $4 million annually from his foundation. She traveled to Ferguson in October.

“We recognized this movement is similar to the work we’re doing at DPA,” said Ms. Frederique. “The war on drugs has always been to operationalize, institutionalize and criminalize people of color. Protecting personal sovereignty is a cornerstone of the work we do and what this movement is all about.”

Ms. Frederique works with Opal Tometi, co-creator of #BlackLivesMatter — a hashtag that was developed after the killing of Trayvon Martin in Florida — and helped promote it on DPA’s news feeds. Ms. Tometi runs the Black Alliance for Just Immigration, a group to which Mr. Soros gave $100,000 in 2011, according to the most recent of his foundation’s tax filings.

“I think #BlackLivesMatter’s success is because of organizing. This was created after Trayvon Martin, and there has been sustained organizing and conversations about police violence since then,” said Ms. Frederique. “Its explosion into the mainstream recently is because it connects all the dots at a time when everyone was lost for words. ‘Black Lives Matter’ is liberating, unapologetic and leaves no room for confusion.”

#BlackLivesMatter

With the backing of national civil rights organizations and Mr. Soros‘ funding, “Black Lives Matter” grew from a hashtag into a social media phenomenon, including a #BlackLivesMatter bus tour and march in September.

“More than 500 of us have traveled from Boston, Chicago, Columbus, Detroit, Houston, Los Angeles, Nashville, Portland, Tucson, Washington, D.C., Winston-Salem, North Carolina, and other cities to support the people of Ferguson and help turn a local moment into a national movement,” wrote Akiba Solomon, a journalist at Colorlines, describing the event.

Colorlines is an online news site that focuses on race issues and is published by Race Forward, a group that received $200,000 from Mr. Soros’s foundation in 2011. Colorlines has published tirelessly on the activities in Ferguson and heavily promoted the #BlackLivesMatter hashtag and activities.

At the end of the #BlackLivesMatter march, organizers met with civil rights groups like the Organization for Black Struggle and Missourians Organizing for Reform and Empowerment to strategize their operations moving forward, Ms. Solomon wrote. OBS and MORE are also funded by Mr. Soros.

Mr. Soros gave $5.4 million to Ferguson and Staten Island grass-roots efforts last year to help “further police reform, accountability and public transparency,” the Open Society Foundations said in a blog post in December. About half of those funds were earmarked to Ferguson, with the money primarily going to OBS and MORE, the foundation said.

OBS and MORE, along with the Dream Defenders, established the “Hands Up Coalition” — another so-called “grass-roots” organization in Missouri, whose name was based on now-known-to-be-false claims that Brown had his hands up before being shot. The Defenders were built to rally support and awareness for the Trayvon Martin case and were funded by the Tides Foundation, another recipient of Soros cash.

Hands Up Coalition has made it its mission to recruit and organize youth nationwide to start local events in their communities — trying to take Ferguson nationwide.
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I'm just saying where there's smoke...
 
benjipwns said:
The President has a large amount of ever increasing administrative and executive discretion, and neither Congress, nor the Courts will call him on it. Especially when he's not doing something other than enforcing the actual law with greater effort.

The George W. Bush administration to its credit held back on medical marijuana prosecutions because it regarded those to be state issues. It could have cracked down on them as hard as the Obama Administration has let the DEA but it didn't because of the people in positions of power and their discretion.


The DoJ is borderline blind to police abuse cases. The FBI took a quick peek at the Kelly Thomas case and left and that was a white guy blatantly beaten to death. The FBI hasn't made any statements in the Eric Garner case since February. They throw these down the rabbit hole until people hopefully forget.
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Administrative or executive powers don't get laws passed. It certainly doesn't clean up state or county run police.

I also don't know what his abilty to control certain federal agents is supposed to speak to?
 
Cyan said:
So, I'm not a conspiracy theorist or anything. But have you guys heard about George Soros's connections with the leadership of BLM? I'm not saying that Soros is a giant Bernie stan. But it's a little suspect, right? Just asking questions!
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I think we should probably go check their Facebook histories.
 
Tinfoilhatsron said:
Somebody explain this joke or comment in a non-sarcastic way so a noob at politics like me can understand please.

What is a stan?
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Tinfoil hat theory that George Soros, funds Black Lives Matter and other "civil unrest" to create a fate narrative that racism is a problem and reaching a tipping point.

Only gained steam when Standers(overzealous Bernie Sanders fans) got pissy when he and O'mally got interrupted. People forgot O'mally got the work too
 
Tinfoilhatsron said:
Somebody explain this joke or comment in a non-sarcastic way so a noob at politics like me can understand please.

What is a stan?
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Stan is a reference to an eminem song about an overly attached fan that lost their grip on reality and eventually hurt both themselves and the people around them. It's a good song.

The George Soros bit is a conspiracy theory spun up by Bernie Sanders stans after BLM protested Bernie. The theory is that a rich hillary backer (Soros) paid the BLM movement to ruin Bernie Sanders chances at president. The subtext is that the BLM movement is not really about black lives.


Anyone who has ever even once entertained the theory is a racist asshole.
 
Gattsu25 said:
Stan is a reference to an eminem song about an overly attached fan that lost their grip on reality and eventually hurt both themselves and the people around them. It's a good song.

The George Soros bit is a conspiracy theory spun up by Bernie Sanders stans after BLM protested Bernie. The theory is that a rich hillary backer (Soros) paid the BLM movement to ruin Bernie Sanders chances at president. The subtext is that the BLM movement is not really about black lives.


Anyone who has ever even once entertained the theory is a racist asshole.
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Black people are always happy and content until race baiters manipulate their small brains. The Jews did it in the 60s and now Soros is doing it now
 
border said:
Exactly what good would it do to ban employers from asking about criminal convictions?

Any decent job is probably going to have a background check anyway.
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It's give an applicant the opportunity to interview and explain him/herself .. Currently many applicants won't even get to the interview because they are already written off
 
Slayven said:
Tinfoil hat theory that George Soros, funds Black Lives Matter and other "civil unrest" to create a fate narrative that racism is a problem and reaching a tipping point.

Only gained steam when Standers(overzealous Bernie Sanders fans) got pissy when he and O'mally got interrupted. People forgot O'mally got the work too
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benjipwns said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOMhN-hfMtY
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Gattsu25 said:
Stan is a reference to an eminem song about an overly attached fan that lost their grip on reality and eventually hurt both themselves and the people around them. It's a good song.

The George Soros bit is a conspiracy theory spun up by Bernie Sanders stans after BLM protested Bernie. The theory is that a rich hillary backer (Soros) paid the BLM movement to ruin Bernie Sanders chances at president. The subtext is that the BLM movement is not really about black lives.


Anyone who has ever even once entertained the theory is a racist asshole.
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Thanks everyone. Lol, didn't think about eminem.

i_am_ben said:
Berniestan is a place in central asia where Sanders' fans are going to flee to when Hillary wins the nomination.
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Especially i_am_ben. Dude has a way with explain things for noobs like me. What if Bernie Sanders fans don't run though? Will they get turned into Hilary Clinton fans?
 
Kiddizzy said:
Exactly how would one compile that data I wonder. Ten or twenty years ago who exactly was going to be writing up cops en masse for actual brutality incidents? Other cops? lol
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Why would I compile date for people I don't give a shit about? How many years have people said the data on this issue sucks and the gov't should take action?
 
Good to see BLM keeping the pressure on. Don't fuck this up, Hillary. There's still enough racism in the Democratic party for candidates to feel more comfortable keeping their rhetoric colorblind, but that's just not going to cut it anymore.
 
rambis said:
As in reform. You know what we've been discussing?
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So only legislative changes is "reform"?

And what are they supposed to legislatively reform here? Create an FBI Civil Rights FBI Civil Rights Division to bring charges against the FBI Civil Rights Division for not investigating state and local police misconduct enough?

This stuff is already illegal. Administrative reform is what's needed.
 
Oh one more thing, some posters have been saying Sanders has taken the protest at his rally and used it as a talking point to bolster his campaign. Others are saying people are angry because he mishandled it? Which one is it?

Hilary and Sanders are the only two viable canidates (well Hilary is way more) but has neither one really campaigned anything for BLM or police brutality? Guess I better really look into their party platforms. I thought Hilary's site/side mentioned her talking about police brutality though so I'm not sure.

Registered to vote so I want to be informed. Any websites would be helpful. Thanks everyone.
 
Tinfoilhatsron said:
Oh one more thing, some posters have been saying Sanders has taken the protest at his rally and used it as a talking point to bolster his campaign. Others are saying people are angry because he mishandled it? Which one is it?

Hilary and Sanders are the only two viable canidates (well Hilary is way more) but has neither one really campaigned anything for BLM or police brutality? Guess I better really look into their party platforms. I thought Hilary's site/side mentioned her talking about police brutality though so I'm not sure.

Registered to vote so I want to be informed. Any websites would be helpful. Thanks everyone.
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The immediate response was mishandled. The campaign policy shifts in the following weeks were not.

So it's both with the end result being a net improvement on his campaign. His campaign is better as a direct result.

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Gattsu25 said:
They'll probably register bernieis45.com or something.
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Registered!
 
TheLaughingStock said:
Why would I compile date for people I don't give a shit about? How many years have people said the data on this issue sucks and the gov't should take action?
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Precisely. Always gotta raise an eyebrow when people ask for comparative data about an authority that is out of control. As if they were ever going to even entertain the notion of accurately documenting themselves for unconstitutional and unethical conduct.
 
Tinfoilhatsron said:
Oh one more thing, some posters have been saying Sanders has taken the protest at his rally and used it as a talking point to bolster his campaign. Others are saying people are angry because he mishandled it? Which one is it?

Hilary and Sanders are the only two viable canidates (well Hilary is way more) but has neither one really campaigned anything for BLM or police brutality? Guess I better really look into their party platforms. I thought Hilary's site/side mentioned her talking about police brutality though so I'm not sure.

Registered to vote so I want to be informed. Any websites would be helpful. Thanks everyone.
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https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/criminal-justice-reform/
Hillary will work to fix these disparities by:

Ending the era of mass incarceration. As president, Hillary will work to reform our criminal justice system by changing the way we approach punishment and prison. She will reform mandatory minimum sentences for low-level nonviolent offenses, increase support for mental health and drug treatment, pursue alternative punishments for low-level offenders, and end private prisons. The campaign does not accept contributions from federally registered lobbyists or PACs for private prison companies, and will donate any such direct contributions to charity.

Encouraging the use of smart strategies—such as police body cameras—to fight crime and rebuild trust in our communities. Hillary has called for every police department in the nation to have body cameras to improve transparency and accountability on both sides of the lens. She also believes that the best practices of successful police departments that are protecting the public without resorting to unnecessary force should be applied by police forces nationwide.

Urging Americans to come to terms with hard truths about race and justice. Black men across this country are being killed at a rate that far outpaces any other group. We must address the role race continues to play in America in order to reform our criminal justice system and move the nation forward.

Strengthening America’s families. We cannot ensure smart policing or reform the criminal justice system unless we also address the underlying issues facing African Americans. This is why Hillary plans to provide better economic opportunities for the middle class, make college affordable for all, and ensure that families are reaching their potential.
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https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/
We must demilitarize our police forces so they don’t look and act like invading armies.

We must invest in community policing. Only when we get officers into the communities, working within neighborhoods before trouble arises, do we develop the relationships necessary to make our communities safer together. Among other things, that means increasing civilian oversight of police departments.

We need police forces that reflect the diversity of our communities.

At the federal level we need to establish a new model police training program that reorients the way we do law enforcement in this country. With input from a broad segment of the community including activists and leaders from organizations like Black Lives Matter we will reinvent how we police America.

We need to federally fund and require body cameras for law enforcement officers to make it easier to hold them accountable.

Our Justice Department must aggressively investigate and prosecute police officers who break the law and hold them accountable for their actions.

We need to require police departments and states to provide public reports on all police shootings and deaths that take place while in police custody.

We need new rules on the allowable use of force. Police officers need to be trained to de-escalate confrontations and to humanely interact with people who have mental illnesses.

States and localities that make progress in this area should get more federal justice grant money. Those that do not should get their funding slashed.

We need to make sure the federal resources are there to crack down on the illegal activities of hate groups.

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We need to re-enfranchise the more than two million African Americans who have had their right to vote taken away by a felony conviction.

Congress must restore the Voting Rights Act’s “pre-clearance” provision, which extended protections to minority voters in states where they were clearly needed.

We must expand the Act’s scope so that every American, regardless of skin color or national origin, is able to vote freely.

We need to make Election Day a federal holiday to increase voters’ ability to participate.

We must make early voting an option for voters who work or study and need the flexibility to vote on evenings or weekends.

We must make no-fault absentee ballots an option for all Americans.

Every American over 18 must be registered to vote automatically, so that students and working people can make their voices heard at the ballot box.

We must put an end to discriminatory laws and the purging of minority-community names from voting rolls.

We need to make sure that there are sufficient polling places and poll workers to prevent long lines from forming at the polls anywhere.

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We need to ban prisons for profit, which result in an over-incentive to arrest, jail and detain, in order to keep prison beds full.

We need to turn back from the failed “War on Drugs” and eliminate mandatory minimums which result in sentencing disparities between black and white people.

We need to invest in drug courts and medical and mental health interventions for people with substance abuse problems, so that they do not end up in prison, they end up in treatment.

We need to boost investments for programs that help people who have gone to jail rebuild their lives with education and job training.

We must abolish civil asset forfeiture programs which allow police departments to seize property from people who have not been convicted of a crime and profit off of such seizures.
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https://www.randpaul.com/issue/criminal-justice-reforms
Since taking office, I have found that one of the biggest impediments to finding a job is a criminal record. Upon examining our nation’s criminal justice system, I found that the system is in desperate need of reform.

I have called for comprehensive reform measures to fix America’s broken criminal justice system, ease the burden on taxpayers, and break the cycle of incarceration for non-violent ex-offenders.

In his 1967 address to Stanford University, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. spoke of two Americas. He described them as, "two starkly different American experiences that exist side by side." In one America, people experienced "the opportunity of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in all its dimensions." In the other America, people experienced a "daily ugliness" that dashes hope and leaves only "the fatigue of despair."

Although I was born into the America that experiences and believes in opportunity, my trips to Ferguson, Detroit, Atlanta, and Chicago have revealed that there is an undercurrent of unease brought forth by our unjust criminal justice system.

I have worked across the aisle to reform the system with various pieces of legislation including:

The REDEEM Act: Creates a judicial process for adults to seal non-violent criminal records on the federal level. It also creates an automatic expungement of records for non-violent juveniles under the age of 15. It mandates the FBI to update their criminal background check system to ensure that employers receive accurate information. States are incentivized to have substantially similar legislation on the state level or risk losing appropriations for law enforcement agencies.

Justice Safety Valve Act: Judges can depart from mandatory minimum sentencing laws if they find that it is in the best interests of justice to do so. This would increase judicial discretion and allow judges to make individualized determinations about the proper punishment for defendants.

Civil Rights Voting Restoration Act: If passed, this would restore the voting rights of every non-violent felon in the country. Non-violent felons would be able to vote in federal elections only and states that do not change their laws to reflect this would not receive federal prison funds.

RESET Act: This bill re-classifies simple possession of controlled substances – very small amounts – as a misdemeanor rather than a low-level felony. It also eliminates the crack-cocaine disparity.

FAIR Act: This bill ensures that the federal government would have to prove by clear and convincing evidence that seized property was being used for illegal purposes before it’s forfeited. Forfeited assets would be placed in the Treasury’s General Fund instead of the DOJ’s Asset Forfeiture Fund. This shift would remove the profit incentive police officers currently have to seize and forfeit property. The bill would also protect the property rights of citizens by eliminating the ability of state law enforcement to circumvent state asset forfeiture laws and use more lenient federal standards instead.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tHVVm_fWC8
 
benjipwns said:
So only legislative changes is "reform"?

And what are they supposed to legislatively reform here? Create an FBI Civil Rights FBI Civil Rights Division to bring charges against the FBI Civil Rights Division for not investigating state and local police misconduct enough?

This stuff is already illegal. Administrative reform is what's needed.
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Political reform means improving the laws and constitutions in accordance with expectations of the public.
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And I've never said that reform comes from federal government. This whole time I've been arguing against this notion. Im tired of repeating myself.
This is embarrassing honestly. They're barking up the wrong tree. If they wanted to help, they would be protesting to law makers. And trying to rally people to actually vote for their state's lawmakers when it actually matters
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Seriously people. Midterms. City and state elections. But nobody cares about those for whatever fucking reason and we get Congress' like we have now.
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And states have basically full control over their police programs. They can legislate everything from the processes in which police departments are staffed to disciplinary procedures to monitoring requirements and oversight. Transparency would be the first place I started to ease public concern.
 
Thelonelykoopa said:
Good their technique seems to work quite well.
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If by working well you mean by making them look like jack ass nuisances and undermining those that they would want to get on their side to help and instead looking more like trouble makers instead of actual demonstrators absolutely.
Working like aces.
This while getting a soundbyte from any person who this happens to for the press for the moment at the same time has a strong chance of hardening a hell of a lot of those people in the audience as well as decision makers in the wrong direction.
 
Tinfoilhatsron said:
Oh one more thing, some posters have been saying Sanders has taken the protest at his rally and used it as a talking point to bolster his campaign. Others are saying people are angry because he mishandled it? Which one is it?

Hilary and Sanders are the only two viable canidates (well Hilary is way more) but has neither one really campaigned anything for BLM or police brutality? Guess I better really look into their party platforms. I thought Hilary's site/side mentioned her talking about police brutality though so I'm not sure.

Registered to vote so I want to be informed. Any websites would be helpful. Thanks everyone.
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He didn't handle it as gracefully as he could have when it occurred, but I think he's been doing a great job of incorporating their concerns, as well as the concerns of other minorities as part of his platform. This exchange during his town hall was a pretty good example.
 
rambis said:
You're right. GOP it is.
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I'm not interested in playing good cop/bad cop with the corporate parties.

benjipwns said:
Republicans held Congress 1994-2000. And were Presidents during much of the other years.
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True, but the guy in this video seems to be taking quite a bit of credit, and he's no republican:

"When this bill is law, three strikes and you're out will be the law of the land. The penalty for killing an officer of the law will be death. We will have the means by which we can say punishment will be more certain. We will cut the Federal workforce over a period of years by 270,000 positions, to its lowest level in 30 years, and take all that money to pay for this crime bill. The savings will be used to put 100,000 police officers on the street, a 20 percent increase. It will be used to build prisons to keep 100,000 violent criminals off the street." - Bill Clinton

What did the crime bill do? In 1994, Clinton signed the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, which accelerated the country's emergence as the most voracious incarcerator in the world — today the U.S. has 5% of the world's population, but a quarter of its prisoners.

The law put 100,000 new police officers on the streets, funded close to $10 billion in prison construction, expanded the death penalty and created a number incentives for states to impose harsher prison sentences. The policy offered federal money to states for prison construction, but only if they adopted "truth in sentencing" laws that lengthened prison time by reducing or eliminating parole. It included mandatory minimum sentences and the notorious "three strikes" provision, which meant that someone convicted of a violent felony after two previous convictions — which could be drug crimes — was given a life sentence. And it did away with federal Pell grants to assist prisoner education.
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http://mic.com/articles/122391/bill-clinton-admits-he-made-one-huge-mistake-during-his-presidency
 
rambis said:
And I've never said that reform comes from federal government. This whole time I've been arguing against this notion. Im tired of repeating myself.

And states have basically full control over their police programs. They can legislate everything from the processes in which police departments are staffed to disciplinary procedures to monitoring requirements and oversight. Transparency would be the first place I started to ease public concern.
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And I'm telling you that the federal government already has in place an enforcement body that can be ordered to focus resources on it.

States and local governments are basically owned by their police. I agree, but good luck and godspeed.

A President can and should shove the FBI down their throats.

#BLM is about a deficient culture, to take another example, so was/is Wall Street. The federal government choosing to look the other way and not enforce existing laws effectively promotes the culture. With Wall Street it's an active ignorance, with police abuse it's more of a passive one.

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True, but the guy in this video seems to be taking quite a bit of credit, and he's no republican:]
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He only did that because the Republicans would have said mean things about him otherwise! They'll probably do the same thing to Hillary and Bernie! Well, just Bernie, since Hillary is headed to federal prison.
 
rambis said:
Why are the protesting potential presidents in the first place? I think a fundemental misunderstanding of the seperation of powers between local, state and federal government and the 3 branches of federal government is to blame more than anything.
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I think it's Willy Sutton's answer here. Why rob banks? Because that's where the money is.

BLM wants to get attention from the Democratic Party so that Democratic politicians will integrate BLM's policy goals into their platform so that they will get implemented. The best way to do that is show up at Democratic events and make a scene. Presidential campaign stops are the biggest events around, so that's where they go protest.

It's not like presidential candidates exist in a vacuum. When Hillary and Bernie make police reform part of their platform, it becomes part of the Democratic platform. That means every Democrat ends up talking about it and thinking about it more and it becomes a more prominent issue at every level, from local to state to federal. Saying that you're only allowed to protest people who could directly take action to fix your problem is kind of bizarre. The goal of protest isn't to inconvenience particular individuals directly, it's to create social unrest, to raise awareness, and, arguably, to increase the overall negative consequences of ignoring you.
 
Slayven said:
Tinfoil hat theory that George Soros, funds Black Lives Matter and other "civil unrest" to create a fate narrative that racism is a problem and reaching a tipping point.

Only gained steam when Standers(overzealous Bernie Sanders fans) got pissy when he and O'mally got interrupted. People forgot O'mally got the work too
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Last sentence is four words too many.
 
For those of you that criticize their methods not message. Let me just say this, during the many civil rights struggles (lgbt, black, women) people of these minorities had to "be rude" and be less than thoughtful with who they targeted for protests. But it's not about being nice and waiting on progress. People are dying while we criticize someone's tone and timing. Once I realized the historical backdrop, the context for the BLM folks...I can't fault them. By the same high standards we hold MLK and others to, we have to hold them to that standard as well. Their methods may be rough, but they are sincerely crying out over real injustices and visceral threats. We cannot just tell them to go through proper channels. (Although they have gotten better about that recently) their movement is about exposure and communication. Deep down, I can't fault anyone for behaving rudely over their friends and family dying. It's just that simple.
 
Couldn't they just like write a letter to the editor of their local paper though? That's not so disruptive for other people.
 
benjipwns said:
Couldn't they just like write a letter to the editor of their local paper though? That's not so disruptive for other people.
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Yeah, I mean, everybody's always quoting Letter from a Birmingham Jail. It's not called Riot from a Birmingham Jail.

I got worried people would take me seriously.
 
This is fantastic news.

Namely, the Black prostration of the Clinton name is damaging and potentially dangerous. Back in 08, many fellow black people supported Hilary under the guise that "Obama couldn't possibly win" or "it's impossible." The Black American worship of the Clinton administration is a very real thing, despite her reaping in millions from for profit prison SuperPACS.

We have an obligation as a people to let our brothers and sisters know that Hilary Clinton does not in any way have our best interests and to not support her.

The Clinton and Democratic party fealty is highly damaging and dangerous and I refuse to take part in it.

Snatch her wig.
 
benjipwns said:
He only did that because the Republicans would have said mean things about him otherwise! They'll probably do the same thing to Hillary and Bernie! Well, just Bernie, since Hillary is headed to federal prison.
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You're way too good at what you do.

Anyway, what blows me away about that clip is that Clinton actually brags about cutting 270 thousand fucking jobs and using the money saved to build prisons. Like both are good things. Like, what the fuck?
 
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