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[jarrod]

For what I wanted to point out in the first place, that was sufficient. It's not as if DVD and CD are the only two formats to ever overlap each other successfully for a number of years. There's a tendency in these discussions about next gen optical formats to act like the only way these formats can succeed is in a strictly serial fashion, with no overlap. I was initially responding to that more than anything else.

Sure, but co-existance is pretty rare for any format... and had DVD been directed primairly at massmarket audio (rather than video), I doubt it'd be around in anything but a limited fashion today. Yes formats can overlap more successfully and yes it's possible for HD-DVD/BD might do that.... but it isn't all that likely given the current circumstances imo.

 

[kaching]

How is coexistance pretty rare? In every transition from a technically inferior yet successful format to a superior, yet unestablished format, coexistance of the formats has been lengthy. And if we're talking about formats that aren't even targeting the same primary application (such as HVD and BD/HD-DVD) situations of coexistance occur even more frequently.

I assume you didn't think I was talking about BD and HD-DVD coexisting for long?

 

[Kleegamefan]

I'm right, any way you slice it. The original spec never called for backwards compatibility. Its amazing the pathetic list of names you decided to call me on an internet message board though. Did it make you feel like a big man?

I have not read through the entire thread but I would like to make a comment on how you are not correct "any way you slice it"

Both BRD and HD-DVD use 405 nanometer blue lasers.....these can *only* read either HD-DVDs or Blu-ray disks but will not read a DVD (650nm red laser) or CDs (780nm red laser)...so there is *NO* difference between Blu-ray and HD-DVD WRT Backwards compatibility...

HD-DVD and/or Blu-ray hardware(all of them) are backwards compatible with DVDs and CDs the same way DVD players(all of them) are backwards compatible with CDs....via multiple pickup lasers or single pickups with variable wavelength lasers (like a PS2, for example)...

You will will not find either a Blu-ray or an HD-DVD device that will *not* play DVDs or CDs....it part of the spec with both formats...

Amazing that people laugh about things like this now, when it was never speced as part of the technology to begin with, and simply became an issue they apparently addressed. I took a long hard look at Blu-ray years ago and backwards compatibility was nowhere in sight at that time. You can believe me or not, it really makes no difference to me on a gaming forum on the internet. I'm glad its fully backwards compatible now, thats great.

I challange you to find me a Blu ray product for sale that didn't play DVDs or CDs...

*EVERY* Blu ray player/recorder has been able to play DVDs and CDs....every single one..

Here, I'll even help you with product #s:

Sony

BDZ-S77 (Japan)



Panasonic

DMR-E700BD (Japan)



Sharp

BD-HD100 (Japan)



Samsung

BD-R1000 (Japan and Korea)



LG

BH-6900 (Korea)




Have fun


EDIT: Oh shit, just noticed this:

meelk
Banned

:lol :lol :lol

 

[Kleegamefan]

I find it intresting that Toshiba says this:

"We have doubts as to whether the Blu-ray format is a viable technology in terms of production cost,"

While Fox says this:

http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=168601247

In addition, we have been researching the impact of Blu-ray's cutting-edge density on replication costs. As with any future-looking technology, cost predictions can be difficult and often alarming. However, after reviewing recent developments, Fox is sanguine that costs will take the typical, rapid reduction to commercially acceptable levels.

That is a good article outlining why Fox went with Blu-ray, BTW

 

[∀ Narayan]

Just wait for HVD. Please.

IAWTP.