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Blu-Ray Wins or Nothing Does
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UMDs are selling pretty good and they can only be played on one expensive portable system with a small screen.
You honestly don't think, if PS3 were to sell 50+ million, that a lot of those people wont start buying Blu-Ray discs instead of normal DVD? Eventhough people are buying UMD discs that cost more than normal DVDs and can be played almost nowhere? I don't remember people asking for portable movies either.
If Hollywood plays their cards right and jam packs their Blu-Ray discs full of shit and get some cool packaging going on, those movies will sell. Dont fool yourselves. People aren't asking for it but they sure as hell will buy it if they have the means to play it.
You honestly don't think, if PS3 were to sell 50+ million, that a lot of those people wont start buying Blu-Ray discs instead of normal DVD? Eventhough people are buying UMD discs that cost more than normal DVDs and can be played almost nowhere? I don't remember people asking for portable movies either.
If Hollywood plays their cards right and jam packs their Blu-Ray discs full of shit and get some cool packaging going on, those movies will sell. Dont fool yourselves. People aren't asking for it but they sure as hell will buy it if they have the means to play it.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Do they need to be anything more than that for us to enjoy movies in HiDef?Blimblim said:
Looks like some of you (btw, no necessarily you Blim) are more obsessed by who winz! than by being able to enjoy the higher quality of upcoming movies, or your old favourites.
comparing lo-res portable toys & travel movies to high-end "home theater" (that has a very popular solution today ie. dvd) is apples & oranges.Razoric said:
They won't be selling 50mil anytime soon and relative market share of PS3/BRD vs DVD players will be very, very, very low for several years. If BRD lingers ala laserdisc the studios will retreat and milk the cash cow DVD (as they tried to do VHS, etc)Razoric said:
What you failed to ask is... will BRD/HD-DVD make inroads against a DVD marketplace of $5.99 titles, Netflix and $12-15 new titles anytime soon. will studios release BRD exclusively or DVD's along with them. this isn't a rocket science if only you remove your personal desires from the equasion and think mass-market.
I posted this in the other standards thread, but I think it's relevant here as well.
As of 2004, HDMI was installed in about three million television sets. A small fraction of the total. Hell, it's even a pretty lousy percentage of digital sets. HDMI's own predictions puts the tech installed in well under half the digital sets by 2006.
As of 2004, HDMI was installed in about three million television sets. A small fraction of the total. Hell, it's even a pretty lousy percentage of digital sets. HDMI's own predictions puts the tech installed in well under half the digital sets by 2006.
yah they were cheap (1/3 the price of lasers and less than alot of VHS which had a rental price window).AB 101 said:DVD's weren't cheap when they first came out if I recall.
People need to wake up to the fact that Blu-ray dumps all over DVD from a great height.
Buy a HDMI equipped HDTV NOW!
thanks for the advice but i have HDMI & have been watching HD movies for a while now. LOL.
WrathOfOtaibah
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We all know from the UMD's success that people will get a movie format if its on a gaming system that is high in demand. For this reason alone, Bluray will succeed...in America that is. Not sure about the rest of the world. People will like owning just one BRD for a TV season or have their favorite movies in HD for their new HDTVs, which are selling pretty well.
It will not fail. HD-DVD will probably fail.
It will not fail. HD-DVD will probably fail.
Tabris said:
PS2 may have not been a big boost for DVD sales, it certainly did not hurt either.
I had a early Toshiba DVD player which was my first one. Got it in 1999.
The PS2 was my 2nd player.
I buy more than I rent.
I may be in the minority here.
I figure it costs more for the wife and I to go to a movie than just buying the movie at Best Buy or somewhere.
AB 101 said:
From which standpoint? I imagine television manufacturers could implement the standard fairly cheaply, but it doesn't look like even half of digital screens will have the proper connectors in place by Blu-Ray's first big push into the consumer space.
If you look at it from the consumer's angle, then yes, implementing Blu-Ray is going to cost you come serious change. Keep in mind that the overwhelming majority of consumers do not have a HDMI-ready set, or even a digital ready set ready to go. With the cost of the player, the media, and the television set, expenditures will be well over what many are prepared to spend in order to replace their current library.
I think this becomes more apparent when you factor in the unwashed masses, many of whom still claim they can't tell the difference between VHS and DVD, prefer "Full Screen" to wide, and think digital cable is cutting edge. Those people wait until Wally World has players that reach the $50.00 mark before putting their cassettes out on the garage sale table.
Niche product? Guys what are you talking about? No way BR-DVD is going to be niche. It has 1080p with grate bitrate. 1080p ( 1080p/720p) = mass market in 10-15 years. There will be no mass consumer video device with higher resolution in a... LOTSa time.
BR is the next format. It just not starting as fast as DVD. But it will be there.
BR is the next format. It just not starting as fast as DVD. But it will be there.
Nightbringer
Don´t hit me for my bad english plase
You are forgetting something important.
http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/next-gen-dvd.ars
Read the article, it seems that the BD-ROM is more expansive than the HD-DVD in the main root of the industry.
http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/next-gen-dvd.ars
Read the article, it seems that the BD-ROM is more expansive than the HD-DVD in the main root of the industry.
urk said:
They need to get their fucking eyes checked if they can't tell the difference.
The difference is quite noticeable between Blu-ray and DD also.
I think they have it set in their mind so they do not have to justify the cost.
One reason why HD will not be standard until 2009. (Wasn't it originally 2006 or something?)
Will probably be many pissing and moaning about that too.
DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
For the last time the first format with porn will win game over.
PS3 isn't meant to establish the BD line as a contender. It is the trojan horse. Sony's main focus has been recordability of the media. All drive speeds have been for recording speeds so far. They are probably aware that the transition is gonna be a tough one, so they will push it as a DVR/mass storage solution in the short-term, with the PS3 catering to the entertainment market. It will sell a lot more units than anything HD-DVD could hope for, so even as a niche market, they'll manage to sell a lot of BD movies. But it's not like the PS3 is gonna help vault BD sales past DVD sales or anything. Further down the line, I think they'll start to promote BD as a movie format after the PS3 has indoctrinated people into the library, and established some sort of market (no matter how small). Meanwhile, BD recorders should still have some demand as HD broadcast recorders at home. Just my opinion. PEACE.
Panajev2001a
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Nightbringer said:
The article is quite biased and missing factual information: if you believe that many studios (not Sony owned) and industry players joined the Blu-Ray camp with HD-DVD costing to them less than 1/10th compared to Blu-Ray for EACH manufacturing line then you showed their succesful F.U.D. campaign.
As Klee noticed in another thread there are more hidden cost when upgrading a manufacturing plant from DVD technology to HD-DVD technology: about $1 Million for calibration fixes/upgrades.
Legal Step
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why isn't either company courting pornographers...that will surely tip the scale.
Spazbiohaz
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Gaming aside I feel that with Intel supporting the HD-DVD format. It would force all major PC companies and even Apple (Since they are switching to Intel) to use to format. This will cause a hiccup in Sony's plan. Plus if HD-DVD's are 19.99 and BR are 29.99 I think that will decide the winner as well.
Forgotten Ancient
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I'm nothing but an anecdote,
But the only next gen media/video device I'll own will be one that's incorporated into my gaming hardware. At least, for the next several years anyways.
There are way too many "1080i", "DLP", "HDMI", "HD-DVD", "Blu-Ray", and other terms going around for me to feel any comfort in adopting newer technology.
I stay relatively informed in what's going on, but on the whole, there's still way too many choices and confusions to know what the general public will adopt or disregard.
For now, My 27'' Wega with Component Video will have to do. For now, it's wait and see...and I'll be waiting awhile.
(I just have to stay away from the TV section of Circuit City/BB tho...I almost bought a Toshiba DLP a couple of months ago on a whim)
But the only next gen media/video device I'll own will be one that's incorporated into my gaming hardware. At least, for the next several years anyways.
There are way too many "1080i", "DLP", "HDMI", "HD-DVD", "Blu-Ray", and other terms going around for me to feel any comfort in adopting newer technology.
I stay relatively informed in what's going on, but on the whole, there's still way too many choices and confusions to know what the general public will adopt or disregard.
For now, My 27'' Wega with Component Video will have to do. For now, it's wait and see...and I'll be waiting awhile.
(I just have to stay away from the TV section of Circuit City/BB tho...I almost bought a Toshiba DLP a couple of months ago on a whim)
Fight for Freeform said:
I dunno, for now it sucks, but eventually when receivers start having 3-4 HDMI slots it'll be hot. Imagine running both the video+audio into a single slot in the receiver for each system, dvd player, etc.. and then having the reciever run a single HDMI cable with a video signal only to the TV. Cuts down on wires a ton, with no loss of quality.
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