When 'telling' turns into causing catastrophic default, then yes, it becomes terrorism.
Boehner: Nation on the path to default if Obama doesn't give concessions for ACA
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When 'telling' turns into causing catastrophic default, then yes, it becomes terrorism.
The Librarian
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Significant. The 111th Congress was one of the most productive sessions of Congress in US history, right up there with the 73rd and the Famous 89th. The stimulus bill was a huge boon in several respects.
In progress. Obama has ordered the EPA to issue new rules on power plants to be built, which the EPA has already done. Coming in 2015 will be rules from the EPA to regulate carbon emissions of existing power plants which are responsible for 40% of the nation's carbon emissions.
True, but IPAB, bundled payments are great measures to keep the program solvent and protect it from further Republican attacks.
Eric Holder has ordered substantive steps to curb drug sentences. Also look at the Fair Sentencing Act of 2010, passed by the 111th.
Baron Aloha
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The money has already been spent. This is telling people not to pay your bills.
Probably too subtle trolling, but I'll bite anyway. Boehner is effectively saying he's not going to pay for the spending already in place since last year, it has nothing to do with future spending.
Yeah, you totally wouldn't be blaming Obama personally if the bin Laden raid had failed.
Also unless you've been living under a rock the intelligence network is bigger then ever under Obama and it was him who ordered the raid against the advice of his own advisors.
This recent batch of Juniors is something else!!
AyaisMUsikWhore
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The GOP is disgusting. They are he biggest hypocrites in history to come. They claim everything they do is for the American people, however instead of fighting for an alternate, they want there way or the highway and don't give a fuck about any of the American people who suffers from this.. Absolutely disgusting
Intelligence collection network meaning torture?
ZQQLANDER
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No actually I wouldn't.
I'm not arguing the size of the intelligence community, I'm saying its ability to collect intelligence is weakened.
TacticalFox88
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Ability? Really? REALLY?
The Executive Branch of the US government has had it's ABILITY to collect intelligence weakened?
Holy fucking SHIT.
Except the money has already been spent. That makes no sense.
He's a winner by his own standards in the short term, I agree with that.
Historically it won't go the same way. When the context of the media environment and the day to day politics are forgotten and all that remains is his barely existent record of passing substantive bills and having presided over a large government shutdown then John Boehner will be seen as a terrible speaker.
And I ask again, have you been living under a rock?
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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We know what you're saying. We're wondering what your're basing the assertion on.
Baron Aloha
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Wow, are you for real? Have you been living under a rock? If anything, the recent news/leaks regarding the NSA would point to the exact opposite to be true.
SporeCrawler
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However I understand thats exactly what Republicans want. With the government shutdown and Debt Default their party will surely rise in popularity as people will blame obama.
or thats the calculation...
weird politics...
While I agree his presidency has been a disappointment, I think it's also fair to point out that most presidents don't get anywhere close to getting everything they originally set out to do. It's the way the system is set up.
This could also be looked at as "Nation on the path to default if Bohener doesn't give up ACA defunding measures".
Considering the public polls are showing the GOP is at fault for this, you would think they would stop. But now that they decided to start, they can't stop without looking bad. Thing is- they already look bad.
This makes me nervous for the future if this is what we are constantly doing. We have heard time and time again about government shutdown, defaulting on debts over things that should not be a discussion in terms of keeping the government going. The rest of the world seeing the US leaders doing this is going to push them towards not using the US currency as the backing currency of the world economy.
Listening to Face the Nation, and I think Bob says it best: "Isn't there a serious problem if every time you try to pass a bill to fund the government you attach your personal wishlist?"
Considering the public polls are showing the GOP is at fault for this, you would think they would stop. But now that they decided to start, they can't stop without looking bad. Thing is- they already look bad.
This makes me nervous for the future if this is what we are constantly doing. We have heard time and time again about government shutdown, defaulting on debts over things that should not be a discussion in terms of keeping the government going. The rest of the world seeing the US leaders doing this is going to push them towards not using the US currency as the backing currency of the world economy.
Listening to Face the Nation, and I think Bob says it best: "Isn't there a serious problem if every time you try to pass a bill to fund the government you attach your personal wishlist?"
JetBlackPanda
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Is this real life?! Heading for default?! Bwahahahaha go ahead and try It and see how many house republicans stop hiding there disent against this little stunt.
I have been looking for that Simpsons clip with the perverted arts rider on the save Springfield bill. Does anyone have it?!
Lol
I have been looking for that Simpsons clip with the perverted arts rider on the save Springfield bill. Does anyone have it?!
Lol
Considering it won't just be the U.S. that suffers from that, I don't know why you think it would be entertaining.
The Librarian
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TacticalFox88
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You do realize that once that happens, we'll undoubtedly plunge the world economy into a huge recession AGAIN, right?
davepoobond
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Bunch of idiots. Party before country
BotoxAgent
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Boom Boom Pow
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actually, it'll be more likely to be a depression. much bigger ripple effect than 2008
I think it's funny that we spend billions (trillions?) to fight the war on terror when all the terrorists are already in American government.
Tesseract
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go eat a fruit rollup in the corner, please.
ZQQLANDER
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True.
However, (my personal opinion based on personal interest and academic research on the topic) is that U.S. ability with regards to HUMINT has been weakened during the term of Obama.
Obviously some of you disagree that's fine, but I expected response that dealt with the validity of my argument. I don't mind considering new approaches to an issue, unlike our esteemed members of Congress.
In hindsight, I probably shouldn't have raised this issue in a thread about ACA, but I'll see if there is a more relevant thread I can post about this topic.
more importantly, it will be Obama's fault, if Republicans win in 2016 then they can save the country and it will be worth destroying it.
Plinko
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I guess what I don't understand is this:
The country clearly showed in 2012 that they want this law. It was a clear mandate. Why do the republicans continue to pretend it didn't play out like that?
The country clearly showed in 2012 that they want this law. It was a clear mandate. Why do the republicans continue to pretend it didn't play out like that?
The Technomancer
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Some of them are just greedy. Some of them are genuinely shocked and scared of what the die-hards are dragging the party into. And a significant chunk of them really buy into the bullshit that has filled their media bubble convincing them that their opinions reflect 'real America" and that they have to get the country back from the "socialist Muslim" who has "co-opted the minorities into his agenda"
They learned their lesson from the Romeny loss. They aren't making the same type of mistake twice. Thanks to both parties allowing gerrymandering the Republican House reps know they have a very good chance of retaining control of their little piece of turf.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I'm not really sure why people are replying to me as if I wanted to have a conversation about Obama, rather than about Congress' stated objective of obstructing Obama.
JetBlackPanda
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Because to them these people are Muslim left wing socialist pinkos that want Marx to hand them a RX bottle on the dime of the hard working farmers.
Dumb question maybe, but when this thing is over and the dust has settled (whichever way it goes), can't Obama pass an executive order forbidding legislators from attaching unrelated bullshit demands to passing the federal budget so they can't hold the government hostage like this again? Or at least make it harder or make legislator pay be suspended in a shutdown too? It seems clear that this thing should be prevented in the future from being used by either party, but the legislative branch itself will never draft laws to give themselves less power so it would seem an executive order needs to be made. Despite god knows how much of a field day conservative news/talk radio would have with Obama doing it.
No. We all know the American people have absolutely no say in any of this. Since Boner's decided to let the US default, might as well sit back and watch the government ruin everything.
Just shows you how little power we have.
Terrifyingly enough, I don't think the Tea Party gives a fuck about defaulting. They are a party of pure irrationally. They live in a anti-rational bubble where common sense and logic does not apply to them. In their mind they are fucking heroes for this shutdown and their constituents will eat this shit up. They will allow anything catastrophic happen just for a small chance to hurt the democrats and so their ignorant base will just blame the mean black man in office.
Master Thespian
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Yup.
TacticalFox88
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Executive orders like that mean jack shit simply because the next President can simply get rid of them. Which is why Obama pursued a legislative repeal of DADT and not an EXO.
I remember some Rep saying that the democrats actually wanted the shutdown in order to hurt the Republican party. It's impressive what kind of spins some are capable of.
The Librarian
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Some stuff you said was was incorrect or misleading. Even if you wanted to have a conversation about obstruction, we gotta make sure make sure all the facts are in order, and that inevitably means talking about what *has* been accomplished.
PhoenixDark
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He's not going to do shit. He already told Wall Street he won't allow a default, and last week he privately told House members he'll fold before a default occurs.
And afterwards he'll effectively be irrelevant in DC. He may keep his speakership but all his power amongst republicans will be gone.
Just watch, the markets are going to end this. Some time after October 10th they'll begin dropping, and Boehner will give up.
And afterwards he'll effectively be irrelevant in DC. He may keep his speakership but all his power amongst republicans will be gone.
Just watch, the markets are going to end this. Some time after October 10th they'll begin dropping, and Boehner will give up.
Maninthemirror
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Its his last term, he wont
Epsilon-delta
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I sure hope so.
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