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[PhoncipleBone]

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Where does the GOP go from here? Do they finally learn from their mistakes, or do they die out like the Whigs?

The best analogy for what Trump as done to the GOP:

“It’s like Humpty Dumpty fell and broke, then a giant lawn mower ran over it, acid was thrown on the pieces — and a bunch of racist idiots ran off with an arm and a leg,” said John Weaver, a longtime Republican consultant. “How do you put it back together? I don’t know.”

 

[Electric Eye]

Its broken for good. You have the white nationalists side who feel legitimatized with Trump and then you have what will be know as the establishment GOP which the nationalists hate. There is no moderates so don't even go there.

 

[TAJ]

Please try to put him back together again. Take your time.

 

[SwiftDeath]

But in seriousness it depends on what happens outside of the presidential election, if the house races aren't as bad for the GOP as I and I think many on here hope and suspect they might be, then they'll still hold majority in both the House and the Senate. Then it depends on the Senate elections in 2 years and if they lose anything there because of this.

While the GOP is in many ways tearing itself apart, if they still hold notable power [Senate, House, Governorships] then they'll be relevant even if falling apart.

 

[GrizzNKev]

“It’s like Humpty Dumpty fell and broke, then a giant lawn mower ran over it, acid was thrown on the pieces — and a bunch of racist idiots ran off with an arm and a leg,” said John Weaver, a longtime Republican consultant. “How do you put it back together? I don’t know.”

You don't.

 

[shintoki]

Trump is the Hero America has been needing. The man that broke the GOP

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

“How do you put it back together? I don’t know.”

I would be happy if we wouldn't put it back together.

 

[jiggle]

They are gonna be in control all three branches after Humail gate
Nothing to worry about

 

[RPGCrazied]

Yeah, Trump transformed the GOP forever. And not in a good way. I don't think they can recover from this. Fine by me. You can't win elections like this. Think you can all you want, not happening.

 

[googleplex]

Trump is the Hero America has been needing. The man that broke the GOP

Real credit for that goes to Barack Obama. Obama's presidency was the beginning of the end.

 

[saelz8]

Even if Trump wins (I don't think he will, even factoring in ComeyGate), he's going to have a dirty as fuck presidency. There's no way he gets out without taking a big SHIT on everything, including the GOP.

Gonna be HAM.

 

[Tall4Life]

Trump really is not the man we want but the man we need (to dismantle the GOP).

 

[turmoil]

Real credit for that goes to Barack Obama. Obama's presidency was the beginning of the end.

Black and president?

DOES NOT COMPUTE
DOES NOT COMPUTE

 

[Fox Mulder]

We're a two party system, and they'll do fine as an opposition party against a Clinton. They'll make gains in midterms when dems don't vote and already control a number of gerrymandered states.

 

[tuxfool]

Real credit for that goes to Barack Obama. Obama's presidency was the beginning of the end.

They were circling the drain ever since Chimp Bush. Trump is just an accelerator.

 

[Lightning_Roller]

Its broken for good. You have the white nationalists side who feel legitimatized with Trump and then you have what will be know as the establishment GOP which the nationalists hate. There is no moderates so don't even go there.

Yep. Trump becoming the nominee broke the GOP so bad that the Republican Party is now beside itself. And it probably won't survive without that base Trump has managed to acquire. Good. Burn that thing called a party to the ground. Let something better take its place. I'm all for it.

 

[kess]

They'll probably keep the House and slowly absorb aspects of the alt right and morally-correct libertarians and we'll still wonder why they haven't fell apart in 4 years.

 

[Slayven]

What they should do and what they will do are two different things

 

[FZZ]

Time to move on the Green Party brehs

make them a little less crazy and we now have a new balance of Democrats and Greens

jmon

make America left again

 

[Jorok Goldblade]

We're going to see four parties competing to become the two parties that stick around

Alt-Right controlled Republican Party

Some smaller conservative party hijacked by fleeing establishment GOP

Clinton/Obama moderate Democrats

Sanders/Warren progressive Democrats

Two of these will make it. The other two will either die off or beg for one of the winning factions to absorb them.

 

[Madness]

The real danger is people somehow think no more GOP means almost 47 million+ Lock Her Uppers and Build the Wallers will quietly go away. If anything, you are going to see two offshoots. One that moves further right to ultranationalist and one that moves left to centrist again, which could capture a lot of the voters split between more centrist Hillary and left style Bernie/Elizabeth Warren.

 

[Man God]

Their tired old excuse will finally be true for once, Donald Trump really is a RINO. I doubt they'll take it as a learning experience though.

 

[Aurongel]

I laugh at anyone who suggests the GOP will fracture or go away after they lose this election. It's like everyone had their minds erased when Obama won in 2012, the narrative was similar back then regarding what the GOP would need to move forward.

I strongly believe we'll see them split the difference between Trump's brand of populism and their religiously conservative core that Romney/Ted Cruz embody.

Party lines and political philosophies never change over on single election, nothing is ever as dramatic as that. What we'll see in 2020 will be a continuation of what we saw here but with a candidate who isn't quite as toxic to moderates and undecideds.

The case for their anti-immigrant problem is only going to become more prominent as more jobs become automated and outsourced. It's their most future proof philosophy. Eventually the religious zealotry will die down due to observed shifts away from religion in many first world countries.

 

[Zackat]

My parents will vote for the R no matter what. No. Matter. What.

So all you have to do is keep fielding candidates, I can't imagine they will be worse than Trump.

Pretty sad tbh

 

[Maximus.]

It is time for more than 2 parties.

 

[Log4Girlz]

Humpty is falling, can still be saved. They've got a LOT of power in the states.

 

[Easy_D]

Time to move on the Green Party brehs

make them a little less crazy and we now have a new balance of Democrats and Greens

jmon

make America left again

If things end up as well as humanly possible, the Democrats will be the right wing.

 

[Electric Eye]

Yep. Trump becoming the nominee broke the GOP so bad that the Republican Party is now beside itself. And it probably won't survive without that base Trump has managed to acquire. Good. Burn that thing called a party to the ground. Let something better take its place. I'm all for it.

It can't survive with the nationalist Trump base either because that mean and establishment GOP republican would have to sign onto the Trump doctrine and its the same all over again. Its broke for good.

 

[Angelus Errare]

 

[HStallion]

It is time for more than 2 parties.

I'm hoping for 14 parties myself. That's the sweat spot right there.

 

[mcfrank]

It is time for more than 2 parties.

Imagine this. Bernie, Clinton, and Trump were all on the ballot this year. Trump wins with 38% of the vote and becomes President. Still want more than 2 parties? Look at the Maine governor. Still want more than 2 parties?

 

[FO-totality]

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Their tired old excuse will finally be true for once, Donald Trump really is a RINO. I doubt they'll take it as a learning experience though.

Folks can debate whether or not he's a RINO or not. But he absolutely personifies all of what the Republican party has represented since the last several decades. I think the only thing he isn't is religious, which doesn't matter since he still checks off a lot of what the religious right wants.

 

[HK-47]

Folks can debate whether or not he's a RINO or not. But he absolutely personifies all of what the Republican party has represented since the last several decades. I think the only thing he isn't is religious, which doesn't matter since he still checks off a lot of what the religious right wants.

If anything he has exposed the religious right as the morally bankrupt trash heap we all assumed they were.

 

[funkystudent]

Maybe republican presidential campaigns are like Star Trek movies and every 2nd one is run by crazy people.

In 2020 if they can manage to get some middle of the road boring as fuck Mitt Romney teir cardboard cutout to run they have that election in the bag once Hillary doesnt do something amazing to make a lot more people like her.

 

[Buddha Beam]

Yeah, Trump transformed the GOP forever. And not in a good way. I don't think they can recover from this. Fine by me. You can't win elections like this. Think you can all you want, not happening.

Hey, I'm a time traveler from the far off future. The year 2018, to be exact.

I have bad news for you...

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Maybe republican presidential campaigns are like Star Trek movies and every 2nd one is run by crazy people.

In 2020 if they can manage to get some middle of the road boring as fuck Mitt Romney teir cardboard cutout to run they have that election in the bag once Hillary doesnt do something amazing to make a lot more people like her.

What states does this hypothetical 2020 candidate take that would net them 270?

Which one of these blue states does this vanilla GOP candidate take, and how would they take it?

The states worth 270 are trending towards Democrats, demographically. The swing states moving towards the GOP are Ohio and Iowa, and as this map shows, you don't even need them to reach 270.

 

[Juice]

Yeah, Trump transformed the GOP forever. And not in a good way. I don't think they can recover from this. Fine by me. You can't win elections like this. Think you can all you want, not happening.

You can't win elections after this*

Except in off year elections, statewide elected office, state legislatures, and in gerrymandered congressional districts.

Otherwise they're toast.

 

[geomon]

What's funny is that the Republicans should've become the Modern Whig Party. Instead they through their lot in with the racists.

 

[SecretMoblin]

You can't win elections after this*

Except in off year elections, statewide elected office, state legislatures, and in gerrymandered congressional districts.

Otherwise they're toast.

right


Republicans could lose the next 4 presidential elections and still retain an incredible degree of control in America. Folks talking about the GOP "dying" must have missed the conversations in the 80s, the 90s, during the Bush era, and Obama supposedly putting the final nail in the coffin. The party isn't going anywhere.

 

[Escape Goat]

GOP isn't competitive on a national stage. Unfortunately, Democrats have been fine ceding state government to them.

 

[Sobriquet]

So let's go through the factions in the GOP. Some of them overlap, of course.

1) The big business, trickle down folks
2) The socially conservative evangelicals
3) Crazy ol' Tea Party
4) The white nationalists, Alt-Right, and old-school racists
5) The Trumpy populists

Or are the Trumpsters and the Tea Party the same?

Note: there are basically no moderates left. All of the ones that are commonly referred to as moderates by the media are hard right.

How could this possibly work?

How will the House ever be sane again if the craziest people in each red district continue to get elected?

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

Trump is the Hero America has been needing. The man that broke the GOP

The rift started with the Tea Party. The GOP embraced this racist splinter faction when they should have struck it down immediately, then were completely flummoxed when Trump came and spoke directly to their sensibilities, rocketing him to the top of the ticket.

 

[cress2000]

The GOP is doomed if it can't reform itself and start moving toward the center. The "strategy" of going further and further the right is a fool's errand unless they can somehow brainwash enough people.

/obvious

Also, get rid of that social conservatism bullshit.

 

[Emperor_Uriel]

I laugh at anyone who suggests the GOP will fracture or go away after they lose this election. It's like everyone had their minds erased when Obama won in 2012, the narrative was similar back then regarding what the GOP would need to move forward.

I strongly believe we'll see them split the difference between Trump's brand of populism and their religiously conservative core that Romney/Ted Cruz embody.

Party lines and political philosophies never change over on single election, nothing is ever as dramatic as that. What we'll see in 2020 will be a continuation of what we saw here but with a candidate who isn't quite as toxic to moderates and undecideds.

The case for their anti-immigrant problem is only going to become more prominent as more jobs become automated and outsourced. It's their most future proof philosophy. Eventually the religious zealotry will die down due to observed shifts away from religion in many first world countries.

This.

Worst case scenario: They'll suffer a brief waning period after Hillary wins and the Democrats retake the majority, then they'll have a resurgence in 2018 due to the huge number of Democrats facing reelection, then jump back into the White House in 2020 just as a third of the SCOTUS dies off. Boom, back in control of all three branches.

Of course, this totally depends on Hillary doing a poor job, either through her own faults of due to obstruction.

 

[Pinko Marx]

So let's go through the factions in the GOP. Some of them overlap, of course.

1) The big business, trickle down folks
2) The socially conservative evangelicals
3) Crazy ol' Tea Party
4) The white nationalists, Alt-Right, and old-school racists
5) The Trumpy populists

Or are the Trumpsters and the Tea Party the same?

Note: there are basically no moderates left. All of the ones that are commonly referred to as moderates by the media are hard right.

How could this possibly work?

How will the House ever be sane again if the craziest people in each red district continue to get elected?

Aren't 3,4, and 5 essentially the same group?

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

This.

Worst case scenario: They'll suffer a brief waning period after Hillary wins and the Democrats retake the majority, then they'll have a resurgence in 2018 due to the huge number of Democrats facing reelection, then jump back into the White House in 2020 just as a third of the SCOTUS dies off. Boom, back in control of all three branches.

Of course, this totally depends on Hillary doing a poor job, either through her own faults of due to obstruction.

That's a rather glib prognostication.

The Republicans are staring at losses in 3 straight Presidental elections. That will not happen without massive changes in public perception. The Democrats have been given a presidential mandate, almost by default. That hasn't happened since Reagan/Bush, when the Republicans were able to shape the country for decades, on public opinion alone.

 

[carlsojo]

Burn it to the ground and salt the fucking earth.

 

[Suikoguy]

Aren't 3,4, and 5 essentially the same group?

There is overlap among all of them, 3 was basically a manipulated group created by 1.

 

[Man God]

Aren't 3,4, and 5 essentially the same group?

Not quite. 3 are hidden racists who lashed out because the Republican party party of the early 2000's came crashing down. 4 are open racists, surprised that the door opened up like this after being shut so long. 5 are just buffoons.