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[IntentionalPun]

Really ? You need to wake a step back from the keyboard.

Says the guy who randomly got incredibly insulting in a civil conversation and started throwing accusations around.

 

[onQ123]

You act like throttling doesn't exist, at all, well guess what, it is a real deal, and it's actually very common, so being able to run a CPU or GPU on a constant level of performance is quite a feat. I mean, you the forum's most famous SSD fetishist, so you should know best a thing or two about throttling and sustained performance for god's sake.

Again what are you talking about?

My post was about someone saying that the performance is sustained as if it's not going to depend on the task & coding.


Games & Apps are not going to max out the 12TF at all times.

now do you get what I'm saying?

 

[Jaguar Victory]

They need to worry about sustaining an output of great games a lot more than game clocks.

This is why Thugnificent went broke and had to get a job

 

[geordiemp]

Says the guy who randomly got incredibly insulting in a civil conversation and started throwing accusations around.

I am not streading FUD about a console that you clearly have no interest in and have not even listened to the article which explains the slide you posted.

 

[Deto]

One affects the mass and the other only fanboys.

I have long realized that xbox marketing is only for fanboys.

 

[Jaguar Victory]

The sooner everyone can accept that the Series X is the best ever hardware then we can move on to the inevitable fanboys strictly attacking the XBOX fanboys with sales numbers, metacritic scores and first party output.

Edit: New entrant: Marketing decorum

 

[IntentionalPun]

I am not streading FUD about a console that you clearly have no interest in and have not even listened to the article which explains the slide you posted.

I'm probably buying 3 PS5's to replace my 3 PS4s (and 1 PS4 pro.)

Get a fucking grip dude.. I'm not spreading any FUD. This is how this convo went:

1) I posted the source of people's assumptions
2) You said the slide was actually showing variable compression
3) I said I don't think the slide is referencing compression, but I also don't think it proves the SSD performance is variable.. went on to heavily praise the PS5 I/O even if it is evidence of variable speeds
4) You randomly decided to be completely insulting while CHANGING your explanation of what the slide is refererencing


This is FUD to you?

At minimum though that slide is implying that if variable, the low is 5GB/second.. so that's pretty fucking great and far better than a sustained 2.5GB/second.

What I meant by this was "if it is about variable speed, it's fucking great variable speeds and still way faster than XSX"

SO MUCH FEAR AND UNCERTAINTY AND DOUBT IM SPREADING!

 

[geordiemp]

Says the guy who randomly got incredibly insulting in a civil conversation and started throwing accusations around.

If you were genuinely interested in SSD performance you would know

1. Speed of data when there is hardware decompression in the loop will depend on compression ratio
2. Read and write speed are influenced by data size, so smaller random reads are slower than reading large blocks

I stated both over 2 posts, Maybe its better to number them for you to read easier.

Hence a minimum spec for a speed is both factual and correct.

 

[Shodan09]

pretty much the whole system

Can you elaborate at all?

 

[Knitted Knight]

I have long realized that xbox marketing is only for fanboys.

I have to give Greenberg his due. He knows exactly the cult of personality around Phil so he exploited it here to bring eyes to Xbox with a "lighthearted" attempt at a viral tweet. Anything to spice up the lead up to the 23rd. He practices the "any press is good press" principle really well. Got us here to talk about it.

 

[IntentionalPun]

If you were genuinely interested in SSD performance you would know

1. Speed of data when there is hardware decompression in the loop will depend on compression ratio
2. Read and write speed are influenced by data size, so smaller random reads are slower than reading large blocks

I stated both over 2 posts, Maybe its better to number them for you to read easier.

Hence a minimum spec for a speed is both factual and correct.

1) It's pretty obvious that slide is not referencing compression, and actually someone else pointed out it was showing their "target" that they exceeded.. so it really has nothing to do with what your insulting ass was claiming it was, and I edited my post with the real explanation
2) Right, if you have 12 channels unless you are pulling exactly 5.5GB/12 chunks of data you won't fill all channels all the time, but again, as someone else pointed out, likely not what the slide was saying
3) Stop being an asshole, you literally claimed I'm spreading FUD when responding to a post where I was boldly praising the PS5 I/o

 

[ZywyPL]

Again what are you talking about?

My post was about someone saying that the performance is sustained as if it's not going to depend on the task & coding.


Games & Apps are not going to max out the 12TF at all times.

now do you get what I'm saying?

Now that does make a lot more sense if you put it that way..

 

[The Fartist]

As it should be.

The XSX will wipe the floor with PS5 in terms of performance. I'm glad to know I will get the most out of my 4K TV. I might as well have just kept my 1080p tv for the PS5 lol.

and before anyone comes in with "but MS exclusives hur do they existi1?!?!?1" well yeah....this is gonna be the first generation that i don't buy a PS console because MS actually has more exclusives i'm interested in lolelul.

 

[cireza]

you guys are still crying over a 5 sec video after 6 years or something?

Why so serious ?

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Seems my comment triggered alot of Xbox fans lol.

7 years of hurt can do that to you.

Relax guys, its ok. We know Xbox is more powerful.

you guys are still crying over a 5 sec video after 6 years or something?

Yep there are like a dozen posts referencing that Sony game sharing clip from the beginning of this gen lol.

 

[Leyasu]

They really don't PS5 is more advanced than Xbox Series X in more ways than Xbox Series X is more advanced than PS5 but hey keep focusing on that FLOP number

Got some examples?

 

[HarryKS]

No boost mode? Don't the games actually have better frame rate on the new xbox.?

The old Xbox one games.

 

[IntentionalPun]

No boost mode? Don't the games actually have better frame rate on the new xbox.?

The old Xbox one games.

It's a reference to the belief that basic PS5 BC runs at last-gen clock speeds, and only specific games are run in a "boost mode."

I honestly think MS are wrong about that personally. PS5 BC runs with this-gen clock speeds and last-gen instruction sets. We should see improved resolution and framerates with PS5 BC IMO, all of Sony's statements add up to that for me. (but nothing like the stuff MS is doing with adding HDR and other things.)

 

[Snake29]

Why so serious ?

serious?I see more xfans coming back to this all the time. Says enough in my opinion.

 

[onQ123]

Got some examples?

Not about to start a list war

 

[Hawking Radiation]

At the start of this gen the majority of NeoGAF we're responding with rapturous cheering and laughter when Sony were doing the same sort of thing. Weird

The start of this gen was 7 years ago. there is new management at playstation.
My comment was meant to highlight the differences between the two major platform holders. One is shouting power power power from the rooftops and very active on twitter. The other is not and more focused on their games than anything.

Power power was not how Sony wiped the floor with the competition this gen or during PS2 and PS2 days. it was content.
The switch is mopping the floor with xbox and that's a proverbial calculator compare to Xbox one x in terms of processing power.

MS needs to focus their message on their games. we all know it is the power king.
Seems like they have not learned anything.

 

[oldergamer]

The start of this gen was 7 years ago. there is new management at playstation.
My comment was meant to highlight the differences between the two major platform holders. One is shouting power power power from the rooftops and very active on twitter. The other is not and more focused on their games than anything.

Power power was not how Sony wiped the floor with the competition this gen or during PS2 and PS2 days. it was content.
The switch is mopping the floor with xbox and that's a proverbial calculator compare to Xbox one x in terms of processing power.

MS needs to focus their message on their games. we all know it is the power king.
Seems like they have not learned anything.

Seem you haven't learned much. Wait until they show games before making up BS.

 

[FacelessSamurai]

The start of this gen was 7 years ago. there is new management at playstation.
My comment was meant to highlight the differences between the two major platform holders. One is shouting power power power from the rooftops and very active on twitter. The other is not and more focused on their games than anything.

Power power was not how Sony wiped the floor with the competition this gen or during PS2 and PS2 days. it was content.
The switch is mopping the floor with xbox and that's a proverbial calculator compare to Xbox one x in terms of processing power.

MS needs to focus their message on their games. we all know it is the power king.
Seems like they have not learned anything.

Except Switch is a portable and not a direct competitor to Sony or MS.

Switch looks like shit on a modern TV, it's basically a 3DS successor and is only good for portable use which is how most people use it. Even my 6 year old daughter prefers playing Minecraft on an iPad instead of her Switch, actually says a lot.

Also, plenty of games will be show next Thursday, you need to calm the fuck down.

 

[Orthodox Gaming Dad]

The hardware is going to be great. Microsofts game output this past decade though, has not been. Hopefully they can provide a reason to get one at their event next week. Otherwise I'll just be playing halo infinite on my pc.

i worry about this myself, im only with Xbox for Game-pass. I've never cared about Forza or Gears, and Halo hasn't been that important to me since the original. If PlayStation had Game-pass i would drop the Xbox and get a PlayStation

 

[cireza]

serious?I see more xfans coming back to this all the time. Says enough in my opinion.

Sony using its advantages over competitor to market their console: smart move.
Microsoft doing the same thing : unfair and not professional.
I think we get your point. Of course people are going to point at these inconsistencies.

 

[FranXico]

I don't think that's true. From a developer's words, it's harder to fill more CUs with work at all times to get the theoretical 12 Tflops. Many of the CUs are dropped if the work isn't properly distributed

EX: 52 CUs to 20 CUs

That is not more effort for developers. The only issue is that caches are shared among groups of CUs and need to be synchronized for running the work in parallel (especially when some computations depend on the result of others), which stalls some cycles.
The impact of dependent computations on higher CU count depends on the nature of the workload.

Goes without saying, this can also happen with 36CUs. It just depends on the specific tasks.

 

[Kumomeme]

sounds like they trying to get light revenge for

Spoiler

 

[GymWolf]

I bet that every chick with a boyfriend who play on xbox is excited by this sustained performance narrative...

 

[turtlepowa]

you guys are still crying over a 5 sec video after 6 years or something? The fact that you have to dig into something that's already a generation old, means you can't find any new weird or childish tweet or something else from Sony. You can clearly see the difference in how they approach their fans. The one is screaming for attention with a lot of buzz around it, and the other is just straight to the point with their marketing on social media.

One affects the mass and the other only fanboys.

Why am i not surprised that the Sony concerning past doesn't matter, but people keep nagging at the tvtvtv, spy Kinect. always on and used game restriction stuff to this day?

Never forget:

The Arrogance of Sony - Gamnesia

A recent topic I uncovered at NeoGAF points to a rather interesting concern over an arrogant Sony returning from years past. What baffles me most about this is that anyone thought Sony stopped being arrogant to begin with. Now, there is nothing overly wrong with being arrogant. At times it makes...

gamnesia.nintendoenthusiast.com

 

[ZywyPL]

Why am i not surprised that the Sony concerning past doesn't matter, but people keep nagging at the tvtvtv, spy Kinect. always on and used game restriction stuff to this day?

Never forget:

The Arrogance of Sony - Gamnesia

A recent topic I uncovered at NeoGAF points to a rather interesting concern over an arrogant Sony returning from years past. What baffles me most about this is that anyone thought Sony stopped being arrogant to begin with. Now, there is nothing overly wrong with being arrogant. At times it makes...

gamnesia.nintendoenthusiast.com

Some of the quotes, LMFAO, I miss Crazy Ken,

 

[turtlepowa]

Some of the quotes, LMFAO, I miss Crazy Ken,

My favorite is: "The first five million are going to buy it (PS3), whatever it is, even [if] it didn't have games."

Literally calling your own customers stupid fanboys is priceless.

 

[Lort]

Console wars 2020

Microsoft .. clear professional modern slick advertisements and posts with specifc claims they encorage you to verify, boasting about guaranteed performance.

Sony... 1 super long boring video with a creepy antisocial man preaching to a fanbase of full time forum warriors willing to post endlessly despite having no idea what he was talking about.

 

[GymWolf]

Console wars 2020

Microsoft .. clear professional modern slick advertisements and posts with specifc claims they encorage you to verify, boasting about guaranteed performance.

Sony... 1 super long boring video with a creepy antisocial man preaching to a fanbase of full time forum warriors willing to post endlessly despite having no idea what he was talking about.

Yeah but what about the creepy antisocial's daughter?? Eh? Does phil have something similar?

Cerny appreciation thread

Noticed that on the Next Gen Speculation thread there was a sudden increase in attention to our beloved Amanda Cerny after some individuals looked at Mark Cerny. This thread was created to show our appreciation to Amanda Cerny and what she has done for our Next Gen Speculation thread. Feel...

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[mckmas8808]

As it should be.

The XSX will wipe the floor with PS5 in terms of performance. I'm glad to know I will get the most out of my 4K TV. I might as well have just kept my 1080p tv for the PS5 lol.

and before anyone comes in with "but MS exclusives hur do they existi1?!?!?1" well yeah....this is gonna be the first generation that i don't buy a PS console because MS actually has more exclusives i'm interested in lolelul.

LOL!

 

[Deto]

Why am i not surprised that the Sony concerning past doesn't matter, but people keep nagging at the tvtvtv, spy Kinect. always on and used game restriction stuff to this day?

Never forget:

The Arrogance of Sony - Gamnesia

A recent topic I uncovered at NeoGAF points to a rather interesting concern over an arrogant Sony returning from years past. What baffles me most about this is that anyone thought Sony stopped being arrogant to begin with. Now, there is nothing overly wrong with being arrogant. At times it makes...

gamnesia.nintendoenthusiast.com

Evil Sony ridiculing the poor thing from MS, who just wanted to stick everyone's ass always on line and crashes used ones.

Now is MS a victim of this?

what lunatic delusion is this?

she shouldn't have mocked MS, but made an equal console with used lock and always on line hurrr durrr

There is a huge difference between making fun of the REALITY of MS, and doing marketing focused on the FUD, just like the "sustainable clock" chat that MS has been trying to achieve for months.

 

[sinnergy]

Evil Sony ridiculing the poor thing from MS, who just wanted to stick everyone's ass always on line and crashes used ones.

Now is MS a victim of this?

what lunatic delusion is this?

she shouldn't have mocked MS, but made an equal console with used lock and always on line hurrr durrr

There is a huge difference between making fun of the REALITY of MS, and doing marketing focused on the FUD, just like the "sustainable clock" chat that MS has been trying to achieve for months.

the classy thing was to say nothing ..
but they used it in their advantage.

 

[Sakura Doritos]

Can't wait. My birdo is Reggie.

 

[Deto]

the classy thing was to say nothing ..
but they used it in their advantage.

the best was to join the PLAYERS in criticizing the always online and blocking used.

 

[Gavon West]

I think you'll be disappointed when you see how similar they'll perform lol

I think you may be surprised.

 

[Hobbygaming]

I think you may be surprised.

I highly doubt it