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BREAKING NEWS: BONDS ADMITS TO STERIOD USE, SAYS "I didn't know"

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El Papa

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Sporting News Radio (Rick Balou Show) is reporting that Friday morning's San Fransico Chronicle has grand jury testimony where Barry Bonds admits that he took steriods, clear and cream but that he didn't know they were steroids, he thought that they were flaxseed oil and arthritis balm. More as it develops.

Let the asterisks begin! :p
 
Mike Works said:
They have steroids that come in a balm now?!

I'd like to get my hands on it. I used to take HGH, and man, that shit STUNG like a fucking bitch. I injected the doses into my upper thigh, though. Fuck injecting the abs and ass..
 
Poor Babe Ruth too. This dude used to knock back shots, chow down on hot dogs, hit some tasty poon, and still swat more homers than the entire league. The poon was his HGH.
 

Miguel

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El Papa said:
Sporting News Radio (Rick Balou Show) is reporting that Friday morning's San Fransico Chronicle has grand jury testimony where Barry Bonds admits that he took steriods, clear and cream but that he didn't know they were steroids, he thought that they were flaxseed oil and arthritis balm. More as it develops.

Let the asterisks begin! :p


You listening to his show? How is it? The radio station here is finally ditching ESPN Radio nad going with TSN Radio instead.

And a big "Thank you Captain Obvious" to the SF Chronicle. At least it's official this time though....ALLEGEDLY!!!
 

impirius

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Jim Bowie said:
I wouldn't. Then you'd have these huge, meaty hands.
"That way, if anybody says, 'Hey, can you give me a hand?' You can say, 'Sorry, got these

'" ...wait that doesn't actually work at all now that I think about it
 
Victor Conte, the former Balco guy, is now rolling over on Marion Jones, saying he gave her steroids before the Olympics in 2000, and personally saw her shoot up in 2001. Man, the shit is hitting the fucking fan today. At least we can still believe in Ichiro. Skilled, sexy and SLIM.
 

Bat

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Bonds didn't admit to taking roids anywhere year other than 2003 and said he didn't know using them....total and utter BS. Apparently (according to the SF Chronicle) the goverment has major evidence that he has taken steroids all decade. If that's the case, I think they'll go ahead with a perjury trial for Bonds for the sole sake of getting the public to hear all this.
 
The most damning thing to all the Bonds defenders though, is Giambi. Barroid defenders say "Well what he does isn't just about strength, even if he is on 'roids", as a defense for his ridiculous numbers of the past 4 years. But Giambi, former MVP and absolute beast at the plate, was mediocre at best minus the 'roids. He lost the batspeed when he lost the mass. Barroid gets the *, for sure. Sucks to be him. Too bad we can't confirm McGuire's * even though it was painfully obvious that he was on the juice..
 

El Papa

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Mig: You only get one sports station there? Damn, I at least 3 here in LA: Fox, ESPN and TSN. Rick Ballou's show is good, I like it. He's pretty knowledgable on the big 3 sports for both pro and college, usually has interesting topics when it's a slow news day. Kevin Wheeler's show is pretty good too.

BAT: I just heard that Bonds was told that he wouldn't be prosecuted for anything that came out in the grand jury. Maybe the prosecution cut a deal with him...we'll see.
 

DJ_Tet

Banned
Ninja Scooter said:
Victor Conte, the former Balco guy, is now rolling over on Marion Jones, saying he gave her steroids before the Olympics in 2000, and personally saw her shoot up in 2001. Man, the shit is hitting the fucking fan today. At least we can still believe in Ichiro. Skilled, sexy and SLIM.



I told this forum earlier in the summer about this. Her former husband, CJ Williams, broke the news a while back. The post dropped like a rock, like most good posts do here.


As far as Bonds, do the words "shock and awe" mean anything?
 

Miguel

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Another station is popping up here, which is picking up ESPN and Fox Sports Radio. TSN is going to the one I listen to. I may listen ot the other one for the local guy (which is their only local show for the time being), but I'll probably stick to the one that has been here for a long time now.
 
One day after it was revealed that Jason Giambi admitted using steroids, the San Francisco Chronicle reported that Barry Bonds has also been implicated.

According to the newspaper report, Bonds told a federal grand jury that he used a clear substance and cream supplied by BALCO, but that he did not know they were steroids.

Prosecutors charge that BALCO has distributed undetectable steroids to elite athletes in the form of a clear substance taken orally and a cream that is rubbed onto the body.

In his testimony, Bonds reportedly said he received and used the substances, which were given to him by his personal trainer, Greg Anderson, during the 2003 season. Bonds says Anderson told him they were nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and a rubbing balm for athritis.

The Chronicle reported that prosecutors confronted during his testimony a year ago with documents showing he had used steroids and human growth hormone.

Prosecutors presented Bonds with documents detailing a long list of drugs he used, including human growth hormone, Depo-Testosterone, and undetectable steroids. The documents were dated from 2001 through 2003.

Bonds' attorney, Michael Rains, told the Chronicle he was upset that his client's secret testimony had been revealed.

"My view has always been this case has been the U.S. vs. Bonds, and I think the government has moved in certain ways in a concerted effort to indict my client," Rains said. "And I think their failure to indict him has resulted in their attempts to smear him publicly."

During his testimony, Bonds said he had never paid Anderson for steroids, and never knowingly used them.

He also said Anderson "wouldn't jeopardize our friendship" by giving him steroids without his knowledge.

"Greg and I are friends," Bonds told the grand jury. "I never paid Greg for anything. ... You're going to bring up documents and more documents. I have never seen anything written by Greg Anderson on a piece of paper."

Bonds insisted that as far as he knew, Anderson gave him only legal products.

"I never asked Greg" about what the products contained, Bonds testified in the papers, according to the Chronicle. "When he said it was flaxseed oil, I just said, 'Whatever.'

"It was in the ballpark ... in front of everybody. I mean, all the reporters, my teammates. I mean, they all saw it. I didn't hide it."

Also, according to the report, other players admitted using performance enhancing drugs acquired from Anderson. They were former Giants Armando Rios, Benito Santiago and Bobby Estalella, and they all said they got to know Anderson because he was Bonds' trainer.

Yankees slugger Gary Sheffield testified that while he trained with Bonds in 2002, Bonds arranged for him to get “the cream,” “the clear” and a steroid pill called “red beans.” Like Bonds, Sheffield also said he didn’t know the substances were steroids.

"Nothing was between me and Greg. Barry pretty much controlled everything," Sheffield testified. "... It was basically Barry (saying), 'Trust me, do what I do.'

"... I know I've seen Greg give Barry the same thing I was taking. I didn't see him taking those red beans, but I seen him taking this (clear) and this cream here."

Bonds testified that he got little help from Anderson's products, the Chronicle reported.

"And I was like, to me, it didn't even work," he told the grand jury. "You know me, I'm 39 years old. I'm dealing with pain. All I want is the pain relief, you know? And you know, to recover, you know, night games to day games. That's it.

"And I didn't think the stuff worked. I was like, 'Dude, whatever,' but he's my friend."

Eventually, Bonds said he stopped using the products, telling the grand jury, "If it's a steroid, it's not working."

Bonds told the grand jurors that he gave Anderson a $20,000 bonus and bought him a ring after the 73-home run season. He also bought the trainer a ring to commemorate the Giants' 2002 World Series appearance.

According to the Chronicle, prosecutor Jeff Nedrow pressed Bonds about the clear liquid Anderson provided.

"Did he ever tell you it was a molecularly or chemically altered steroid? Did Greg ever tell you anything like that?"

"No, because my other trainer, who is 50 years old, Harvey, was taking the same stuff," Bonds replied. "And he said it's flaxseed oil."

Bonds told the jury he couldn't translate a document that had the notation "! G !" along with "one box off season" and "two box season, $1,500."

The Chronicle reported that prosecutors thought the notation referred to Bonds' payments for human growth hormones, but Bonds said, "I don't know what G is."

Bonds denied injecting himself with any drugs, and in response to documents suggesting that he was using Clomid, the fertility drug that enhances the effect of testosterone; modafinil, an anti-narcolepsy drug used as a stimulant; and the steroid trenbolone, Bonds said "I've never heard of it."

Bonds also pleaded ignorance on paperwork indicating that starting in 2001, BALCO was screening his blood for steroids.

"Do you know why BALCO would have been testing for your testosterone level?" he was asked.

"I have no idea," Bonds replied.

"Do you know why your testosterone level would have been -- according to the report -- higher than the level, the normal range indicated for males 29 to 49 years old?"

"I don't understand this piece of paper," Bonds replied.

The Chronicle reported that elevated testosterone levels can indicate steroid use.

Bonds also said in his testimony that he asked Anderson to test him for steroids in 2003 because he didn’t trust Major League Baseball’s testing.

"We got tested two times this season unannounced," Bonds said. "I don't trust baseball. They say it's anonymous, but then they put your name on it. So I don't trust baseball. So I asked Greg ... 'I want to know what baseball's doing behind our backs.'

"I never saw the papers, never saw the results. Greg just said, 'You're negative.' "

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6642400/
 

Bat

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El Papa said:
Mig: You only get one sports station there? Damn, I at least 3 here in LA: Fox, ESPN and TSN. Rick Ballou's show is good, I like it. He's pretty knowledgable on the big 3 sports for both pro and college, usually has interesting topics when it's a slow news day. Kevin Wheeler's show is pretty good too.

BAT: I just heard that Bonds was told that he wouldn't be prosecuted for anything that came out in the grand jury. Maybe the prosecution cut a deal with him...we'll see.

Yeah, all the athletes got guarantees that they wouldn't be charged with buying steroids if they testify the truth. But they were also warned that if they did not tell the truth (and I think that's the case with Bonds' testimony, as opposed to Giambi's which is much more revealing) they could be charged with perjury (whcih is always true about grand jury testimony). So he won't get a steroid charge....but he could be charged for lying at the stand.
 

MetatronM

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WELL, THAT ABOUT WRAPS IT UP FOR MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL.



Seriously, though, I think about 4 people in the country are surprised by this news.
 

Miguel

Member
Cloudy said:
Well, sports-talk radio should be pretty lively on the way to work tomorrow :lol

Still 4 hours til I get Local sports radio. They'll be talking about this non stop tomorrow, with the short interrupti...er...calls talking about "Who kidnapped Gundy's daughter?"
 

AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
Wasn't it just yesterday people were saying they didn't think he did? :lol

Anyway, when is ESPN getting this?...
 

El Papa

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"Barry, let me introduce you to someone you will soon be well accquainted with,"

barrybuddy.jpg
 

DJ_Tet

Banned
AstroLad said:
Wasn't it just yesterday people were saying they didn't think he did? :lol

Anyway, when is ESPN getting this?...



Only Lonestar, and ESPN has had this since the 2 am sportscenter. Check ESPN News for live coverage now.
 

skip

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his excuse reeks of

Anderson: "And hey, if anyone finds out, just say you didn't know, and you thought it was arthritis balm. Arthritis balm that makes you stronger and faster. Because....because it's from the moon."
 

AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
The farce is finally over.

Now he can go apologize to all those reporters he treated like shit for even thinking the obvious.
 

Shinobi

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Ned Flanders said:
The most damning thing to all the Bonds defenders though, is Giambi. Barroid defenders say "Well what he does isn't just about strength, even if he is on 'roids", as a defense for his ridiculous numbers of the past 4 years. But Giambi, former MVP and absolute beast at the plate, was mediocre at best minus the 'roids. He lost the batspeed when he lost the mass. Barroid gets the *, for sure. Sucks to be him. Too bad we can't confirm McGuire's * even though it was painfully obvious that he was on the juice..

I don't know...I heard Giambi had hit 41 home runs in the year prior to his juicing up. And hell, Mark McGuire hit 49 home runs in his rookie years, and he was thinner then his bat.

This talk about the asterisk makes no sense to me. Roids weren't even illegal to use in MLB until two years ago. So there really isn't a damn thing they can do about it. And let's not act as if the teams were all in the dark over this shit either. Personally if I was Barry Bonds, I would've gloated about using roids the moment I was first asked about it, then rubbed some more on my biceps for good measure.

It's a shame Jose Canseco's book never came out...I imagine he would've been sued into bankruptcy with all the names he was gonna drop.

While everyone wants Bonds to get the knife, I'm more interested in seeing Carl Lewis hung on the cross for his er, "alleged" two drug testing failures in the summer of '88 (if you don't know what happened that year, go look it up). I find it funny how the media has had a pick and choose philosphy regarding who they'd rather go after, despite evidence being as strong in the case of Lewis then it is with Bonds, if not stronger.
 

DCX

DCX
....speechless, i really wonder what the fallout of this will be...MLB can't come off looking like punks in front of the NFl and NBA ( NHL is behind even NASCAR right about now )

DCX
 

Willco

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Ned Flanders said:
The most damning thing to all the Bonds defenders though, is Giambi. Barroid defenders say "Well what he does isn't just about strength, even if he is on 'roids", as a defense for his ridiculous numbers of the past 4 years. But Giambi, former MVP and absolute beast at the plate, was mediocre at best minus the 'roids. He lost the batspeed when he lost the mass. Barroid gets the *, for sure. Sucks to be him. Too bad we can't confirm McGuire's * even though it was painfully obvious that he was on the juice..

It's not damning at all. Barry Bonds was a one of the best players of all-time before steroids, whereas Giambi was not.
 

Meier

Member
ahaha best news ever. Can we please stop calling this man the greatest hitter of all time? Please. The best hitters in baseball are 2 Spanish guys and a dude from Japan. Albert Pujols, Alex Rodriguez and Ichiro Suzuki.
 

Willco

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Meier said:
ahaha best news ever. Can we please stop calling this man the greatest hitter of all time? Please. The best hitters in baseball are 2 Spanish guys and a dude from Japan. Albert Pujols, Alex Rodriguez and Ichiro Suzuki.

Actually, they're not. Babe Williams, Ted Williams, Hank Aaron, etc. > A-Rod, Pujols, Ichiro.

Bonds is still one of the greatest hitters of all-time. This man had three MVPs before the steroid allegations.

He's never hit under 25 home runs in his career save for twice, one being his rookie season. And he's averaged 35 home runs a season before 2000, hitting over 40 several times. The man's a monster.

And all the allegation said he used them after he hit 73 home runs.

I feel bad that he used steroids and was forced to hit in a pitcher's ballpark.
 

Meier

Member
WillcoAnd all the allegation said he used them [b said:
after[/b] he hit 73 home runs.

I feel bad that he used steroids and was forced to hit in a pitcher's ballpark.

Lmao, you're not going to act like you believe he only used them in 2003 are you? I know you're not an idiot. The article indicates as far back as 2001 is more or less a certainty and the government apparently has evidence he has done it for the past DECADE. Bonds was a good hitter in the 90s, one of the best in baseball but he wasnt even in the same stratosphere as being "one of, if not the best" hitters of all-time and he wouldnt have been considered one had he not started pounding roids. He would have been remembered as one of the best from his era, but certainly nothing in line with the best of all-time.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
Meier said:
Lmao, you're not going to act like you believe he only used them in 2003 are you? I know you're not an idiot. The article indicates as far back as 2001 is more or less a certainty and the government apparently has evidence he has done it for the past DECADE. Bonds was a good hitter in the 90s, one of the best in baseball but he wasnt even in the same stratosphere as being "one of, if not the best" hitters of all-time and he wouldnt have been considered one had he not started pounding roids. He would have been remembered as one of the best from his era, but certainly nothing in line with the best of all-time.

Uh, yeah, he was in the same stratosphere, guy.

And I said after 73, which was 2001, so I'm insinuating that these allegations continue from 2002-present. Also Barry won the MVP this year and he wasn't on steroids because Gary Anderson is being watched more closey than Osama Bin Laden, and BALCO is dead.

And yeah - silly that! - I'm not going to slam people until evidence comes forward that says otherwise. That's been my position since day one involving athletes in general and it won't change. Imagine that, innocent until proven guilty.

The suspscion is there, but what are you going to do? Take away all his MVP awards, batting titles, Golden Gloves and such that existed before his 2001 days?

Really. People need to think a bit.

Any guy that has three MVPs in a career, and he has seven (four during these so-called asterisk years), is considering a great player.

I doubt Alex Rodgriuez will end up with three MVPs.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
Also, I say Barry Bonds was an all-around better player in his pre-BALCO days than he was afterwards. So what if his OBP is higher and that he can hit a handful more home runs than he could've when he was the Bonds of old?

FACT. Barry Bonds once stole over 50 bases in one season. He used to be one of the quickest threats on the basepath.

FACT. Barry Bonds used to be one of the best defensive outfielders in the game.

The old Barry Bonds would give you Web Gem-like highlights in the outfield, save outs, manufacture runs by stealing bases, almost always hit over .300, almost always give you over 30 HRs and would get on base better than 95% of the players in baseball.

I'd rather have that Barry Bonds than the one we have now, who has leaky knees, sub-par defense, no baserunning ability and the only reason why he manufactures runs is because people are afraid to throw to him.

And that also won't change. Bonds is amazing hitter. Even Giambi in his steroid prime didn't change the game Bonds has. You pitch around him not because he's on steroids, but because he will sit and choose what pitch he wants and dominate your pitcher.

Bonds loses a lot credibility, a lot of respect and rightfully should deserve an asterisk, but he should not be thrown to the wayside.
 
I don't think you can say A-Rod's better than Bonds, steroids or not. Bonds always hit the ball, even when his head was of regular proportions.

After last year, Slap Happy A-Rod took about 3 steps back.

Note in the 40 minutes it took me to type all 3 lines here, Willco said it better than I could.
Stupid job.
 

AirBrian

Member
Victor Conte is going to be on 20/20 tonight. The timing of this news about Giambi and Bonds are not coincidental IMO.

EDIT: Oops, didn't see SolidSnakex's post.
 

Pimpwerx

Member
Babe Ruth played in a different era with differenty calibre talent. Dare I say, anyone who can be a fat piece of shit and still the best player in the league isn't exactly facing the stiffest of competition. I'm not gonna take it all away from him, but give me a fucking break. There are guys in the Negro leagues that made Babe look like crap, and who put up enormous records. Why do we still pine over Babe Ruth to this day?

That said, Bonds is probably guilty, but I don't care. I don't think he's alone, and would wager that a majority of players use something, or have cycled roids at some point in their lives. Roids are used all the way down to high school, it would be naive to think otherwise. And this bullshit about the asterisk is stupid too. You think hitters are the only ones using roids? Don't think greater arm strength benefits a pitcher too? The whole game is screwed up, and it doesn't stop at baseball. I guess this is good in a way, b/c now we can stop pretending that the pros are really these fantastic athletes with god-given physiques. From football to hoops to baseball and hockey, you'll find juicers. But what's the end result of this big expose gonna be? Are players gonna stop using? Doubtful. Might as well just make them legal. Hell, they made it legal in horse racing. PEACE.
 
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