https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haHeDgbfLtw
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The full version http://arenan.yle.fi/1-3964779
Edits: links thanks to Violent_0
The full version http://arenan.yle.fi/1-3964779
Breaking the cycle (2017) Norwegian cop visits america to check out the prison system
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theCalamity
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The correctional system in America is a misnomer. We don't aim to correct the behaviors that land people in jail. We want to punish. Then they get out and commit the same crimes over and over again, leading to this cycle.
However, the entire criminal justice system needs to be reformed and overhauled. Even then, that criminal justice system is a just a facet of America's problems.
However, the entire criminal justice system needs to be reformed and overhauled. Even then, that criminal justice system is a just a facet of America's problems.
why not link to the full version http://arenan.yle.fi/1-3964779
one of the American prison guards has visited Scandinavian prisons in The Norden series https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfEsz812Q1I
one of the American prison guards has visited Scandinavian prisons in The Norden series https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfEsz812Q1I
Herr Schwarz
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MåndagSöndag
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I am for giving people another chance and giving them tools so they can function once they get back into society.
But i also think punishment is important. Not for the offender but for the victim. Punishment is important so the victim can get a sense of justice.
But i also think punishment is important. Not for the offender but for the victim. Punishment is important so the victim can get a sense of justice.
Thanks adding it to the op
theCalamity
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Yeah, not a lot. Even programs that are meant to help inmates are underfunded or don't exist. Those things are the first to go with budget cuts.
highrider
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MåndagSöndag;231465537 said:
The problem with ' The Animal Factory ' as they say is that 70% of those offenders are going back out in to society. You also have a large percentage of the population that isn't there for violent crime, and they are coming out worse than when they entered.
Fudgepuppy
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MåndagSöndag;231465537 said:
You're Swedish, do you vote SD with this mentality?
Society has to be better than the individual. Punishment for punishment's sake has no benefits in society.
Outside Brexit UK and USA, are there any countries dumb enough to give it a try?
That's the revenge mentality that leads to how it is today. Prison should not be about taking revenge, it should be about rehabilitation. If a inmate is not capable of changing, he should not be allowed to leave (depends of the severity of the crime).MåndagSöndag;231465537 said:
Now comes the point where someone will quote me and asks how I would think if I, or my loved ones where the target of a crime.
Yes, I probably would want revenge at first, because I would be in a very emotional state.
That's why we have a legal system that takes the burden from us and can decide with a clear state of mind what to do.
He said something you disagree with and immediately you try to paint him as supporting a racist party... what the hell
It's hard to come to a opinion when you don't know why each of them are there individually.
There are some things I believe in rehabilitation, others I do not.
It's mostly murder of a certain degree where I despise that some think we should be better as a community and offer them any sort of rehab.
Depends what though, right?
There are some things I believe in rehabilitation, others I do not.
It's mostly murder of a certain degree where I despise that some think we should be better as a community and offer them any sort of rehab.
Depends what though, right?
Vicetrailia
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wait what? You guys have prisons trying to get revenue as if they were a private company?
Not american but yeah which explains the recidivism rate in america and is part of the reason america has the highest rate of imprisonment.
How much I would love for a criminal justice reform to be lead by a supporter of the Scandinavian prison system. It's not even a hard concept to grasp, treat a prisoner as less then human, of course they're going to come out worse then they went in, but exchange punishment for rehabilitation and they will come out of prison as better people.
But I doubt that will ever happen. We Americans are in love with our revenge fantasies.
But I doubt that will ever happen. We Americans are in love with our revenge fantasies.
I'm all for someone fixing glaring problems with our system but there's just some crimes that I think punishment for punishment's sake is alright. Extreme acts of violence like murder and rape should be met with very lengthy removals from society even if they're considered cured or whatever.
How do they make a profit? Are they paid per prisoner? Because if they are, anybody who think that is acceptable has no belief in capitalism.
Private Prisons aren't capitalist institutions, they're opportunists looking to make a lot of money from safe government contracts. And yes, they're paid per prisoner.
Yes, they get paid per inmate. It is in their best (financial) interest that once freed, former prisoners relapse and come right back.
Come on now, that's hardly exclusive to SD, plenty of Swedes believe we are too lenient on criminals.
It really is. It's not something I'm unfamiliar with; I've read books and a few DoJ reports about the mundane depravities of the American criminal justice system, and articles online about Norway's approach to criminal justice system. But just seeing guards talk about the social good of treating prisoners humanely in Norway, and then remembering a DoJ report of systematic beatings of incarcerated youth by guards and it really is stunning to consider.
MåndagSöndag
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Society is a collective of individuals.
People need to believe the system is just. If they don't, i think people will loose faith in the justice system.
Even if you could "uncriminalize" a crimminal with a pill. You would still need punishment of some sort.
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Just want to point out that the Norwegian prison shown isn't a typical one. IIRC the prisoners there are long term (by Norwegian standards) prisoners who are getting close to release, as in a couple of years or less away. They also need to have shown good behaviour over their sentence to be eligible to be transferred there.
Other prisons have less freedoms, but they're still miles away from what you see in the US.
Other prisons have less freedoms, but they're still miles away from what you see in the US.
Fudgepuppy
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Prisons like this will never happen in America anytime soon. Corrections has four main goals: deterrence, incapacitation, retribution, and rehabilitation. Americas prison system focuses mainly on retribution and incapacitation. Funding is also a huge issue; America has over 2 million people incarcerated, while Sweden has a mere 5k. However, the biggest issue on why it wont happen are the American people. The average American would flip their shit if their taxes were used to house inmates in facilities like this. Americans are pretty much, you get what you deserve criminal scum, fuck you. We are still a country that uses capital punishment frequently. Private prisons are also another huge obstacle that would block this. The criminal justice system in America is more about profit than justice.
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