lol you are joking right? UK started this mess when the EU was on it's most vulnerable, leaving the sinking ship. If you want to reverse Brexit then you should expect to comply to our demands.
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[Brexit] chief who created £350m NHS lie on bus admits leaving EU could be 'an error'
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lol you are joking right? UK started this mess when the EU was on it's most vulnerable, leaving the sinking ship. If you want to reverse Brexit then you should expect to comply to our demands.
I do indeed. Such a complex decision cannot be reduced and left to a simple yes/no question. It's the most ass-backwards thing ever. At the very least, the percentage needed to enable such a massive change to the status quo should have been 60% or even higher. Look at the percentages needed to enable huge changes in companies: you need a special resolution of 75%+1 vote (under UK law).
Most of the drivers of the Brexit train have jump off it. Leaving it to power on with a couple of idiots who don't know how to work the controls. It remains to be seen if they will stop the train and everyone sighs with relief or accidentally put it into overdrive right over the cliff...
I'm not joking, tho I wouldn't expect a literal party
I think that, in all seriousness, the EU would ultimately accept that it was a mistake and work together. There might be conditions attached, but the comments from as recently as last week from Juncker etc were that they were still hopeful that UK wouldn't end up leaving.I'm not trying to play down the effect of the vote to leave. I think it was utterly ridiculous, and I wouldn't blame other member states at being furious.
Man with Knife
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I don't want the UK back. It has shown time and time again it doesn't really believe in the European project and the majority voted against it.
Let's just get this over with as quickly as possible.
Let's just get this over with as quickly as possible.
If the UK were to come back it would certainly be without their Extrawurst (look it up). They were a mistake in the first place.
Orniletter
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Definitely not under the exact same terms. The UK has lost too much goodwill over the last year (and....well before tbh) for that.
But I don't expect the EU to be cruel about it tbh. Maybe just the Brit rebate, which has been a huge burdon for the other net contributor countries.
Screaming Meat
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Waitaminutewaitaminutewaitaminute, let me get this straight:
'They' say that if you don't vote, you can't complain about anything. Yet, if you do vote, even it's for the wrong thing and it wins, you say that people can't complain about that either? You're saying only people that vote for the losing side can complain about anything?
I dunno, man. I'm not a fan of that way of thinking at all.
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No, the EU would let the UK back under the same terms. The UK is an enormous net contributor to the EU, and the loss of the UK's contributions, even with the rebate, was significant. If the UK were to decide against Brexit, there would be a febrile political atmosphere and any kind of sign of hostility by the EU might throw the whole thing out of balance. The EU would definitely prefer the UK stayed in than did not, so they won't do anything that could jeopardise it like that.
It would be a bit embarrassing, but diplomatically everyone would just sort of pretend the whole thing never happened.
Metalingus5150
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Were there any leavers on here?
Boris is the most guilty of them all.
Herr Schwarz
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yeah a couple disingenuously advocating it cos they got mummys money to fall back on from what I recall.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
The vote should never have been allowed to take place, it was too important an issue to just let the average man on the street have a say.
Too many people were misled or just uninformed. The Leave campaign is backpedaling. I wish it could all just be undone, it makes me sick to my stomach watching this all pressing ahead as if it's what the people want.
Too many people were misled or just uninformed. The Leave campaign is backpedaling. I wish it could all just be undone, it makes me sick to my stomach watching this all pressing ahead as if it's what the people want.
I mostly agree. Id say let the UK remain, mostly same terms, hack off some of the rebate, get some concessions from them and hopefully get a better sense of having learnt something and more enthused about the power of collaboration / EU project in general
'Stronger together' is fair. Not letting the UK retract Art.50 if the will was genuinely there wouldn't lead to the better outcome, however much the temptation to say 'you made your bed' may be
Sweeney Tom
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A couple and they all kept swearing it wasn't a scam
As of a month ago, it was real quiet on that front
Supreme Court appointments are for life too.
Herr Schwarz
Banned
Yeah I mean, come on, our outburst of right wing populism wasn't that bad when you compare it to certain other countries right-wing outbursts.
Not as though anyone died by the millions or anything, so we should get it all back
GrizzleBoy
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These filthy motherfuckers..........
Lets be even more fair, only 72% turnout, so 28% didn't care enough to vote. so only 34% of the UK's registered voters "didn't ask for this", the rest either did, or didn't care enough either way.
If anything needs to be worked on it's the apathy towards voting but so many.
BWJinxing
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My uk friend was all for this shit. She can't work. She's moved on to the topic of immigration.
My other uk friend, knows he fucked, wishes he could get out while there's a chance but money.
I can't believe all this division is happening. Trump, brexit. The English are an uppity bunch.
My other uk friend, knows he fucked, wishes he could get out while there's a chance but money.
I can't believe all this division is happening. Trump, brexit. The English are an uppity bunch.
TatteredHat
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Well, too late now, sorry to the people who did vote to remain. No sympathy for those who voted leave or even worse, didn't vote at all.
Because he wanted to pull some frank underwood shit. Having it at 60% would undermine what he was trying to do, and was also pretty pointless since he thought there was absolutely no chance of it passing even at 50%
It's easy to look back and say that in hindsight
The rebate ends soon anyway for those that got it. The EU will be doing something else in future, who knows what that is.
Beautiful how they had sources for it all.
Fuck the experts tho!
(I'm looking for the cover of the booklet, can't find it anywhere)
Nightmare452
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They really should at this point. Lie your heart out, get the public to believe your lie, get what you wanted from them, then turn 180° and fuck that same public in the a$$. It's at a minimum shamefull to the point that even your parents should disown you.
Ether_Snake
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UK pulling the pity card to get a better deal.
I think letting the public decide was okay, it being a binary choice with 51 % being enough to seal the deal was dumb. I wouldn't "even" trust politicians (aka May, Boris, Cameron etc) trust with such a setup.
the US is no longer viewed as a reliable partner and new trade and security alliances are being made as we speak, it's only going downhill from here... USA is a dying empire.
Taninted by fundamentalist policy and hostility towards science and trade.
The UK will be screwed for a few generations, but they will be able to join again when they submit the the sovereignty of European Union and the Euro.
Screaming Meat
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Any ideas how the public would go about instigating something like that? I imagine it's damn near impossible...
Vicetrailia
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I can't believe so many people would willingly fuck themselves over like that. Oh wait, I live in the United States.
Best thing to do is to remain. So why can't they just remain now?
Best thing to do is to remain. So why can't they just remain now?
Gove is already peddling fantasy and lies about fishing since he got back in.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=242551845&postcount=18881
THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE
Actually you'd be surprised how many people are even dumber than they were a year ago. I mean you should see BBC's Question Time where people have moved on from just leaving to the EU to economic suicide because "that's what we voted for"
you can leave the EU and still be in the customs union for example but that isn't good enough for some. They want to become North Korea.
Doctor_Thomas
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A fear of upsetting a load of old people, terminally stupid and racists.
Let's face it though, the whole thing was a scam by the likes of Murdoch to turn the UK into a tax haven (also made BSkyB a lot cheaper when the pound crashed).
In your dreams.
The UK has already done so much damage to the EU project, there has to be a punishment to a degree at this point. Or else it would be a free ticket for other member countries to blackmail the EU in the future by pseudo-leaving.
I also think the EU will be better off without the UK in the mid- and long-term. It will be much more agile and progressive without the UK stalling at every opportunity. It was a hostile relationship to begin with between the UK and the rest of the EU.
Doctor_Thomas
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Re: Article 50.
It can be revoked at anytime up until leaving with no consequence or request to join again.
Just pretend it never happened. No one else is stupid enough to try it.
It can be revoked at anytime up until leaving with no consequence or request to join again.
Just pretend it never happened. No one else is stupid enough to try it.
This is not necessarily true and if the UK tries to revoke art. 50 without EU consent it will have to be decided by ECJ.
That is not up to you and in the end there's going to be a compromise, because the EU is stronger with the UK in it than outside of it. It will probably get a special status.
TheCochese
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Lies have consequences.
Raylan Targaryen
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Trump fucks the US for much more than 8 years. Also the entire planet, because his administration is more concerned about fattening their pockets.
The EPA is trying to destroy the environment. Trump has a much bigger effect
TatteredHat
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Even if the UK somehow does decide to not go forward with Brexit and rejoins the EU, we should definitely not just "forget" that it happened. That's just opening the door to a repeat of the same situation later down the road.
I'm sure the EU realises that as well, which is why I'm not expecting them to just go "sure, no problem".
I'm sure the EU realises that as well, which is why I'm not expecting them to just go "sure, no problem".
There is little need for that - the UK will serve as a pretty good example of why 'exit' is a terrible idea within the 2-year timeframe. (the economy seems to be setting itself up to take a nose-dive).
Personally, I would imagine the EUs only major desire is that the UK should not be able to stop changes that the other 27 members had started during the Brexit process.
They would! But you'd need to pay for the catering in euros. Because if you come back in, you have to be all in. I don't think the EU can or should tolerate more fraught negotiations about which parts you like and which you don't. This isn't a supermarket run.
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