FlyingTeacup
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Trump's supreme court justices will do the long-term damage.
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[Brexit] chief who created £350m NHS lie on bus admits leaving EU could be 'an error'
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Trump's supreme court justices will do the long-term damage.
Miles Quaritch
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This wouldn't be a terrible thing as it would mean mostly old people, undereducated and racists/bigots would be the ones disillusioned by the voting process and a few decades without them voting can only be a good thing.
We have to accept that not all votes hold the same weight. If one such vote threatens the economic health and long term stability/prosperity of a society, it should be ignore for the greater good. To throw our collective hands up and say 'oh well, they won', let's just destroy ourselves' is idiotic in the extreme.
FlyingTeacup
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Or a costly lesson for those, especially the young, who was vote shy.
So much this. "A democracy that cannot change its mind is not a democracy".
I agree. The idea that we can have our cake and eat it is ludicrous. I can't believe people fell for that line, and still believe it.
Pyramid head
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All you need to do is hold your nose and dive into the comments section of any Brexit related news article, or LBC video to drown in the vebal shit spouted by countless slop-tier cunts. Willfully stupid way beyond comprehension. They do not care how badly they fuckover themselves or their children. Couldn't care less, so long as they believe they're harming dirty foreigners to an equal degree and they get to scream about loony left liberal tears.
Fucking worthless.
Agreed.
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Isn't there a body that should pursue the fact that they lied about such a serious thing?
We have rules for what people can see as entertainment, but outright lies on mass media is allowed?
We have rules for what people can see as entertainment, but outright lies on mass media is allowed?
Jezbollah
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That depends if you call political promises misleading media.
Because every politician would be slung in jail if that was the case.
It's a piece of art. You should frame it.
Pretty much this - the number of people willing to cut off their noses to spite their faces is STAGGERING. So, fuck this country and every cunt who voted LEAVE deserves what's coming to them 10 fold.
The electoral commission asked them to take down the bus slogan near the end of the referendum campaign, and that was the total sum of their repercussions for knowingly lying to the electorate. It's beyond pathetic.
ReplacementPelican
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Oh fuck off, voters who voted against this definitely have a right to complain, so do people who were lied to and misled by the campaign.
I wouldn't be that pessimistic. The worst case scenario (hard brexit) would hurt the UK (and also quite a few markets in the EU), and maybe cause a short recession and maybe 10 years to reach pre-Brexit levels. The actual damage depends on how the rest of the EU fares. If they come together to form a well functioning central state, well, then the UK is fucked, but you could hope for a slow death to the EU that would leave the UK if not better, then at least not significantly worse of in the longer term future.
I can't see it happening (think it would cause too much political hassle sadly) but there's no way I can see that the EU wouldn't be more than happy to cancel A50 and just carry on as normal.
I'm not one of these "we're super important, EU need us far more than we need them" people, but there is no denying we are important to the EU and us leaving will hurt them (as it will hurt us)
I'm not one of these "we're super important, EU need us far more than we need them" people, but there is no denying we are important to the EU and us leaving will hurt them (as it will hurt us)
Wrestlemania
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I wonder how far support for remain in the polls will go. Can it get to 60%+ by the end of the summer?
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
I don't think so.
In an ideal world, it would be the only fair and decent thing to do at this point considering the lies that were peddled by the Leave campaign.
We ought to be able to say "you know what, this whole idea was stupid, let's just forget the referendum ever happened", Brexit is canceled, everyone forgives each other, and then works for a better future.
But real life doesn't work that way, the damage has been done. Like I said, the whole thing shouldn't be happening, but it is.
I would hazard a guess it will be at 60% by the official first deadline on A50. Enough old cunts will have died and hopefully there are enough kids who are interested in voting and haven't been too brain damaged by Snapchat or something.
The leave floor is probably around 30-35%, that's a solid racist core typical of the racist as fuck GOP base in the US. The rest on top of that are just the ignorant.
Sumio Mondo
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The Tories would never drop Brexit anyway, their voter base are pretty much those that are hardcore for Brexit. If the past few months have told us anything, the Tories will hold on to their power, by any means necessary.
How's that undemocratic? You just voted again on your parliament, why not do the same with Brexit?
Define how voting again is undemocratic?
Like Miles already said, if this would lead to delusion amongst the mouth-breathers, I am more than happy for that to happen. I would rather they never participate in the democratic process. Like Socrates originally critiqued, democracy is polluted by the criminally stupid.
The last QT had some absolute rabid leavers on it who shouted down anything other than the absolute thermonuclear holocaust of the economy. One even remarked "Before the EU we didn't have no debt, we had an empire, we had things to be proud of."
It sets a dangerous precedent if you just vote until a certain result is achieved. It's been done in Turkey and even though it would be a positive thing in the case of Brexit, the definite result of an election should be honored.
I would be in the camp of "soft Brexit", because if 48% are for remaining, you don't really have a mandate for exiting the hard way.
We just keep voting until we get the right answer?
Yikes, I kinda want to see that now, that's pretty bad even for Question Time. Was that the one were a guy was asked to leave, read that in the paper.
boxoctosis
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Ah, were all either racist or ignorant. This hoary old lazy nonsense. I'm like a stuck record in these Brexit threads but whatever.
The reality is far more complex than your worldview.
1.21Gigawatts
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Its not like we didnt know from the very beginning that this was a stupid idea with no possible positive outcome if leave wins.
This shows how uninformed voters are the bane of democracy.
I wish someone in power would have the guts to just admit that Brexit is stupid, people have been had, and there is no way this can turn out good for Britain, so the only reasonable option is to exit from Brexit.
This shows how uninformed voters are the bane of democracy.
I wish someone in power would have the guts to just admit that Brexit is stupid, people have been had, and there is no way this can turn out good for Britain, so the only reasonable option is to exit from Brexit.
Doctor_Thomas
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Re: Referendum
It was advisory.
You can literally tell people to piss off and it doesn't go against any process of law the UK has.
We're literally leving the EU over a 4% difference in an advisory referendum set up by a government that no longer exists.
It's not that complex.
Leaving the EU is bad for the UK.
It's no more complex than that.
It was advisory.
You can literally tell people to piss off and it doesn't go against any process of law the UK has.
We're literally leving the EU over a 4% difference in an advisory referendum set up by a government that no longer exists.
It's not that complex.
Leaving the EU is bad for the UK.
It's no more complex than that.
May had to go and set off Article 50, the dangerous idiot so I don't even know if we can ignore the non binding vote. One things for sure, all the perks the UK had in the EU are gone even if we stay.
Miles Quaritch
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Maybe it's time to link to another book review to explain the coherent reasons for leaving the EU.
boxoctosis
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Well, I was only putting forward evidence of opposing views to the received wisdom. But yeah, if you want.
Have you read that book? It's very interesting.
Air Zombie Meat
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That's what Farage wanted if the result was marginal in favour of remain.
I'm not sure if people appreciate that irony
Didn't he literally say this like 30 mins after the polls had closed? He'd been tipped off that leave had lost by about 5%.
Oh, those were happy times.
All went to shit after that
Miles Quaritch
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You didn't forward evidence, you put forward a book review after throwing a tantrum about people not 'understanding the coherent reasons for why some people voted to leave.' You claimed a cursory google search would throw up these reasons and the best you could do was a book review.
You continually ignore actual data to create a fiction that the reasons for voting leave were complex, we know what the reasons were for a great many leavers, for you to ignore that and claim it's more complicated is you presenting alternative facts and not accepting reality.
I could make a remark about how that makes sense with you being a Leaver, but I won't. You're embarrassing, your posts continue to be embarrassing, you literally don't have a leg to stand on, all you do is whine from the sidelines while living in your alt reality world.
Why do you constantly need to come up with flowery arguments to guard against the core reason for the leave vote? Does it hurt your sensibilities to be thrown in with these people? Don't link me to some shitty book by some no-mark like Lilico or other supply-side jesus social conservative nutjob. Why did you vote leave?
You have no reasons for leaving apart from immigration and there is no economic rationale backed up by evidence behind that reason. Immigration was the number factor in the leave vote. To say the leave vote is majority racist is not an outlandish claim. I didn't say all of them are racists. I said the majority. That only requires 26% of the electorate that voted in the referendum to be racist. I suspect that figure is probably close to 30-35% but that is from many peer group examples from other elections across the world. There are A LOT of racist people in this country.
The only leave voters I have a modicum of respect for, and that is still stretching it, are those who voted knowing it would tank the economy so they could profit / or hoped for tax haven benefits. That is rational self interest. They are all Tories to a man but they understood how they could manipulate the plebs.
They tried to shout down the editor of the Economist who shot to pieces the idea that the UK could now open itself up to the world. One woman was adamant that May was right not to give any details and that we should not be informed at all about what is happening and we should just leave, that it all just be secret. A small business owner replied saying that's not how business works, you can't have such uncertainty....she just tutted her head and repeated the same mantra frothing at the mouth.
I mean what is abundantly clear now is that no one makes the case for a positive economic impact from leaving. Not that they had a leg to stand on beforehand. They all talk about how long the damage will last, even the nutters who call into LBC.
Little Old Man
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Everytime I hear someone say 'well XYZ is bad, but we've voted for Brexit, so we should just get on with it, it's the will of the people', all I hear is this scene:
It feels like the debate has been:
Right wing press/Tory party/UKIP: 'It doesn't matter that this road leads to the edge of the cliff, we voted to drive down this road, so ignore that there is ample road left to stop and turn this coach around, we're carrying on no matter what! We must uphold the will of the people! Stop moaning'
Most of the public: 'kk'
It feels like the debate has been:
Right wing press/Tory party/UKIP: 'It doesn't matter that this road leads to the edge of the cliff, we voted to drive down this road, so ignore that there is ample road left to stop and turn this coach around, we're carrying on no matter what! We must uphold the will of the people! Stop moaning'
Most of the public: 'kk'
FinaruDensetsu
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Yeah maybe if the supreme court judges he appoints all die within the next 4-8 years.
boxoctosis
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Why do Remain voters demand reasons for why Leave voters' decisions?
I'm not interested in why you voted Remain, not am I asking you to justify it. It's your right to vote how you please. Nor am I going to persuade anyone of the opposing view, any more than you could persuade me.
I do take exception to the intellectual snobbery that a Remain vote is the correct one and a Leave vote isn't. Especially for something this complicated. It's quite an arrogant position to take, the presumption of being correct.
And for what it's worth, I'd vote Leave again in a shot. And I'm neither racist nor ignorant. Go figure.
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