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The EU has reportedly raised the opening price of the UK’s “Brexit bill” to €100bn (£84bn), according to new analysis of latest French and German demands.

Following requests from several member states, the EU negotiators have revised their initial calculations to increase the liabilities the UK must help pay for.

These include payment of farm subsidies and EU administration fees which could continue after we have officially left the union until 2020.

Though the net bill will be lower than €100bn (£84bn) once the UK's rebate is taken into account, the gross amount paid will be significantly more than the €60bn (£50.6bn) charge originally proposed by European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker in February, according to the Financial Times.

The revised estimate reflects the hardening of many EU27 countries towards the UK’s demands.

Both France and Poland have pushed for post-Brexit annual farm subsidies to be included in the bill whereas Germany is against granting Britain a share of the EU’s total assets.

The total Brexit bill is currently not set because it calculated using estimates about the UK’s official exit date, currently set for 29 March 2019 unless leaders agree an extension.

The size of the UK’s budget rebate and the amount of EU investment spending are also taken into account.

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Ms May ramped up the rhetoric earlier this week when she claimed Mr Juncker would see she is “a bloody difficult woman” – referring to a comment made about her by former Justice Secretary Ken Clarke during her brief leadership campaign last summer.

It comes after a German newspaper reported that in the wake of a meeting with the Prime Minister, Mr Juncker phoned Angela Merkel and said Ms May lives “in another galaxy” and is “deluding herself” over Brexit.

Ms Merkel responded in an address to the German Bundestag where she said Britain would become a “third-party state” after it leaves “cannot and will not” have the same rights as other members.

“I have to say this clearly here because I get the feeling that some people in Britain continue to work under illusions, and that is a waste of time”, she added.

No 10 denied this version of events at the meeting, saying it was just Brussels gossip.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...00bn-eu27-demands-contributions-a7714436.html

 

[Tagyhag]

“I have to say this clearly here because I get the feeling that some people in Britain continue to work under illusions, and that is a waste of time”, she added.

Lol no shit. I wonder how many of those are people who are afraid that they fucked up and are now lying to themselves.

 

[Machina]

 

[Salty Rice]

 

[theaface]

A sense of adventure.

Strong and stable leadership in the national interest.

Red, white and blue Brexit.

Crush the saboteurs.

 

[Calm waterfall]

The British government is living in a delusion where the EU will fulfill all of the British´s demands. It seems May and co. and probably half of the population of the UK really believe the EU will bend over backwards to please them. Jesus.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I really get the feeling that Brexiters (even the politicians) actually believed they could basically leave the EU but keep what they like a la carte...

 

[Trickster]

A sense of adventure.

Strong and stable leadership in the national interest.

Red, white and blue Brexit.

Crush the saboteurs.

Man that gif, wtf is she doing? Laughing I guess? Look's so weird, like an alien trying to imitate human behaviour

 

[Xando]

EU is calling mays bluff on no deal is better than a bad deal

The EU is going to turn some remainders against it, the way things are going.

I read this a lot but why should the EU care what citizens of a third country think?

 

[excelsiorlef]

The EU is going to turn some remainders against it, the way things are going.

How can you demand a divorce bill but you don't want a share of the assets, especially since UK has always been a net contributor???

Aww shit that means Brexit will definitely win the next Exit referendum now.. oh wait...

 

[danm999]

The EU is going to turn some remainders against it, the way things are going.

How can you demand a divorce bill but you don't want a share of the assets, especially since UK has always been a net contributor???

It's a negotiation. The EU is seeking the most favourable terms it can for itself.

 

[Steel]

The EU is going to turn some remainders against it, the way things are going.

How can you demand a divorce bill but you don't want a share of the assets, especially since UK has always been a net contributor???

When you burn bridges, you have to pay for the bridge.

 

[Pandaman]

The EU is going to turn some remainders against it, the way things are going.

Remainers are not the EU's concern.

 

[TatteredHat]

The EU is going to turn some remainders against it, the way things are going.

How can you demand a divorce bill but you don't want a share of the assets, especially since UK has always been a net contributor???

Because the EU isn't demanding its invested assets in the UK back either?

Remainders turning against the EU is irrelevant, you guys are leaving.

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

Remainers have a chance to reverse this shit at this election but most of them seem to be too passive to do so even though the Lib Dems offer a way out of Brexit. The EU isn't responsible for the mistakes of the UK electorate, nor should it care about UK public opinion. It doesn't matter if they get turned against the EU, they seem largely uninterested in fighting for what they believe in anyway.

 

[ClosingADoor]

The EU is going to turn some remainders against it, the way things are going.

How can you demand a divorce bill but you don't want a share of the assets, especially since UK has always been a net contributor???

Britain is the one walking away willingly. They should have thought it through a bit more I guess.

It's not like the EU is kicking them out and then keeping their stuff.

Plus its international politics, not a simple divorce.

 

[Haly]

I know Britain needs to feel the weight of the leave decision but man I don't want the country totaled over this.

 

[JimiNutz]

Hard Brexit here we come...
May is unfortunately going to win the GE and, based on what she has said already, no way we pay this with her in power.

I guess we will be leaving without a deal.

 

[Mivey]

How can you demand a divorce bill but you don't want a share of the assets, especially since UK has always been a net contributor???

What would that even entail? Getting some of the old furnishings of the EU parliament?

 

[excelsiorlef]

Remainers have a chance to reverse this shit at this election but most of them seem to be too passive to do so even though the Lib Dems offer a way out of Brexit. The EU isn't responsible for the mistakes of the UK electorate, nor should it care about UK public opinion. It doesn't matter if they get turned against the EU, they seem largely uninterested in fighting for what they believe in anyway.

Not helping is that Corbyn almost definitely voted Leave

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Remainers in other EU countries where Referendums are a possibility are watching.
France, Italy etc

So France and Italy have left the EU? Must have missed that news.

 

[KingSnake]

I see that "no deal is better than a bad deal" is working wonders already.

 

[theaface]

Man that gif, wtf is she doing? Laughing I guess? Look's so weird, like an alien trying to imitate human behaviour

Must be a Tory thing...

Remainers in other EU countries where Referendums are a possibility are watching.
France, Italy etc

If Brexit has one certainty, it's that none of the EU27 will ever seriously consider following in our footsteps. We've already shown to the rest of the watching world what a monumentally stupid decision it would be to leave the bloc.

 

[Leyasu]

No matter how much I disagree with brexit, I can't help but feel that certain eu countries are just trying to milk every penny possible before the UK leaves.

Also seems like they are putting a high price tag on it as a deterrent against other countries thinking about leaving

 

[jufonuk]

Maybe if May and co were actually civil about leaving instead of acting like twats the EU wouldn't harden so much

As for the remainers I no doubt those of us who can are making plans to relocate. I know I am

The EU will take the talent and prosper the brain drain on the UK will be very real.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

Berlin called London's bluff and now London has lost.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Remainers in other EU countries where Referendums are a possibility are watching.
France, Italy etc

This logic makes zero sense...

People who don't want to leave the EU are going to see the high cost that comes with leaving, change their mind and thus vote to leave the EU and suffer those high costs?

No matter how much I disagree with brexit, I can't help but feel that certain eu countries are just trying to milk every penny possible before the UK leaves.

When you piss on someone they are going to ask you to pay for their dry cleaning... And if in the process you end up pissing on yourself.... they aren't going to pay for yours.

 

[danm999]

Remainers in other EU countries where Referendums are a possibility are watching.
France, Italy etc

And I'm sure they terribly sad their governments are running rings around the nation whose prominent demagogues made jokes about Prosecco.

 

[jelly]

It's sad but clear as day, May wants to turn Brexit into hateful us versus them because the outcome for the UK is going to be bad whatever way you slice it, she wants the UK people to turn against the EU and blame it all on them for not giving the UK everything for nothing. British public are too stupid to realise it. I hope Scotland gets out of this.

 

[Calm waterfall]

Remainers in other EU countries where Referendums are a possibility are watching.
France, Italy etc

So? Why would they change their minds if they already live in the EU?

 

[KingSnake]

Remainers in other EU countries where Referendums are a possibility are watching.
France, Italy etc

Why would a EU citizen be upset by this? Other than a EU citizen who fantasises about EU disappearance. EU negotiators/leaders are fighting for EU's interest.

 

[JonathanEx]

It'll get negotiated down and played as a win as everyone will have this number in there heads. Quick, put it on the side of the bus...

Or we'll crash out in a huff obviously

 

[ClosingADoor]

Remainers in other EU countries where Referendums are a possibility are watching.
France, Italy etc

Making it easy for the UK to leave with little consequence would actually strengthen those. Now they get to see how it would really be and that is isn't so easy and simple.

No matter how much I disagree with brexit, I can't help but feel that certain eu countries are just trying to milk every penny possible before the UK leaves.

Considering the UK is causing this economic mess, they can pay for some of the damages.

 

[Kill Your Masters]

Remainers in other EU countries where Referendums are a possibility are watching.
France, Italy etc

Yes, everyone in other countries sees the trainwreck that is Brexit and thinks "hey lets just fuck our shit up as well".

 

[Leyasu]

When you piss on someone they are going to ask you to pay for their dry cleaning...

Leaving the eu was not pissing on anyone.

 

[Des0lar]

Remainers in other EU countries where Referendums are a possibility are watching.
France, Italy etc

So the EU is showing those people that it has their best interest in mind. Sounds good to me?

 

[Xando]

Remainers in other EU countries where Referendums are a possibility are watching.
France, Italy etc

So what you're saying is that when people see the trainwreck brexit is they will vote to leave?

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

The EU should give liberal, productive young people an easy way out of the UK. In my experience young people have been the most pro-EU and are passionately so. Brain drain the UK. The EU can only prosper from this.

 

[PJV3]

Maybe if May and co were actually civil about leaving instead of acting like twats the EU wouldn't harden so much

As for the remainers I no doubt those of us who can are making plans to relocate. I know I am

The EU will take the talent and prosper the brain drain on the UK will be very real.

I can't believe David Davis threatened to do a runner from the bill like the EU was an Indian takeaway.

What the previous Cameron government agreed to is what we have to pay, argue and reduce it, but you can't leg it.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Leaving the eu was not pissing on anyone.

If ya say so...

The whole Leave campaign was xenophobic as fuck...

 

[jufonuk]

Why must the uk suddenly slip into pompass colonial overlord mode just as it decides to leave ??

 

[Kill Your Masters]

Leaving the eu was not pissing on anyone.

It was.

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

The entire reason why the UK is going all out on hard brexit is "fuck foreigners", it's the UK government's fault for having their stupid 'red lines' that exist to look tough at home.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

If only more people in this country actually saw it as a trainwreck. The delusion is holding strong.

 

[Micael]

The EU should give liberal, productive young people an easy way out of the UK. In my experience young people have been the most pro-EU and are passionately so. Brain drain the UK. The EU can only prosper from this.

It's already going to happen, just the amount of funding for research and so on that is going to disappear from the UK is enough to make sure a lot of well educated people will end up moving to other European countries.

 

[jufonuk]

I can't believe David Davis threatened to do a runner from the bill like the EU was an Indian takeaway.

What the previous Cameron government agreed to is what we have to pay, argue and reduce it, but you can't leg it.

Reminds me of that only fools and horses episode

 

[KingSnake]

Leaving the eu was not pissing on anyone.

Asking for all the exceptions and their mothers in order not to leave EU and then still leaving the EU was as close as it gets to taking a piss.

 

[TatteredHat]

Leaving the eu was not pissing on anyone.

Blaming the EU for the UK Governments mistakes for decades was though.

 

[danowat]

But at least we'll have sovereignty right? that's got to be worth a few billion quid.........

/s

 

[Stereogatari]

Doesn't every news article about this seem like a manufactured drama? I've become tires of it.