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Bush plans to attack Iran in June...
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BooM235689
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well if we attack iran i will hate Bush for the rest of my life, we would be fighting 3 wars at once, plus we are going to loose the one in iraq so there will most definitely be a draft
America & Allies>All
This is not racial in anyway
America & Allies>All
This is not racial in anyway
Burger
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Cyan said:
What do you expect me to do ? I cannot vote in your elections.
What have I done ? Nothing, thats what. I live in a peaceful corner of the world that has no interest in U.S foreign policy towards the middle east, except in our relation to the United Nations.
What I can do is comment on what your country is doing. My comment is that "Your country should not do what it's thinking about doing."
Do you not agree ?
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
jett said:Hopefully. And hopefully Iran is crazy enough to retaliate with nukes. Bye bye USA, bye bye Iran. It's a win win situation for the rest of the world!
Yeah we hope you die in a flaming hell storm as well...
SatelliteOfLove
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Shompola said:
I thought that was lethargy...
They just had a 6.4 quake with at least 80 dead in Iran. Kinda topical I guess.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/02/21/iran.quake/index.html
Edit:Article says 30, main page says 80
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/02/21/iran.quake/index.html
Edit:Article says 30, main page says 80
Phoenix
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This is just a retarded statement - whomever made it. This isn't Lord of the Rings where we can get some ghost soldiers to come and fight the battle for us. IF there is going to be an attack against Iran, we'd arrive only to find craters where the reactors were because Israel would have beaten us to the punch for certain.
Iceman said:
Yeah, that article sucked.
There was a prominent member of the Reagan administration that wrote a book and went into detail (with maps to boot
) on how in the future the US would have to use its military to mobilize into Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq. He wrote this back in the early 90's as well. I forget who this person was...does anyone here know?
RonaldoSan
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I wonder about the backfire at some point. America are the bad guys of the new century. I guess it can be hard to see when you fight "terrorism".
SteveMeister said:
Firest0rm said:
Yep. The guys who drafted the Iraqi transitional constitution already knew this was going to happen, and planned for it. This is why the transitional constitution requires 2/3s majority in the National Assembly to elect the president and the two deputy presidents of the Presidency Council.
http://www.cpa-iraq.org/government/TAL.html
The 2/3rds majority requirement virtually guarantees the president and the deputies will have to be moderates that compromise and appeal to (at the very least) the Shiites and the Kurds.
Similarly the final constitution will be voted on by a general referendum later this year, and requires both an outright majority and fewer than 3 regions with a 2/3rds majority voting no to pass.
This condition also virtually guarantees that the authors of the final constitution will have to satisfy the Sunnis as well as the Kurds.
Whoever wrote the Iraqi Transitional Constitution did a very good job overall.
Quick question for everyone. If there is a draft and you are selected, will you go? Or will you opt to be a conscientious objector in which they find something else for you to do (ie pick up trash and visit old people) for your term of service?
Edit: Forgot my answer. I think I'd actually go. Mainly because I'd feel as though I would be essentially doing "good" as it were. As much as I'm opposed to war (it's terrible) I would feel like the ends justify the means. I am am a huge libertarian and as MLK once wrote, "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." Sure there are a lot of injustices commited by and large here at home and the rest of the world by the government I'm opting to fight for, but I could later use their training to fight against them in the future. I can aide this evil in defeating another evil and later turn on the evil I helped.
When is there going to be a war in North Korea... there's a regime I'd fight with all my heart and soul.
Edit: Forgot my answer. I think I'd actually go. Mainly because I'd feel as though I would be essentially doing "good" as it were. As much as I'm opposed to war (it's terrible) I would feel like the ends justify the means. I am am a huge libertarian and as MLK once wrote, "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." Sure there are a lot of injustices commited by and large here at home and the rest of the world by the government I'm opting to fight for, but I could later use their training to fight against them in the future. I can aide this evil in defeating another evil and later turn on the evil I helped.
When is there going to be a war in North Korea... there's a regime I'd fight with all my heart and soul.
Well, they'd have to make me an invulnerable officer to consider it. Iraqi carbombs rip through the flesh of infantry and officers alike, right?
Otherwise, it's off to see my old high school band instructor for an interview to build my CO case as to why I'll guaranteeably fuck everything up if I'm in a field of battle.
Otherwise, it's off to see my old high school band instructor for an interview to build my CO case as to why I'll guaranteeably fuck everything up if I'm in a field of battle.
Yeah... that's true. Here's one of my favorite Socrates quote's though:
"Someone will say: And are you not ashamed, Socrates, of a course of life which is likely to bring you to an untimely end? To him I may fairly answer: There you are mistaken: a man who is good for anything ought not to calculate the chance of living or dying; he ought only to consider whether in doing anything he is doing right or wrong - acting the part of a good man or of a bad...."
That would be the basis of my own decision for the most part. We'd both be doing good either way, but I think the greater good would be to go.
"Someone will say: And are you not ashamed, Socrates, of a course of life which is likely to bring you to an untimely end? To him I may fairly answer: There you are mistaken: a man who is good for anything ought not to calculate the chance of living or dying; he ought only to consider whether in doing anything he is doing right or wrong - acting the part of a good man or of a bad...."
That would be the basis of my own decision for the most part. We'd both be doing good either way, but I think the greater good would be to go.
Drozmight said:
Socrates was saying that the only thing that matters is if what you're doing is good or bad. So that Socrates quote is irrelevant. And this because in my humble opinion getting killed to serve to oil corporations and weapons dealers is neither good or bad. It's stupid.
psycho_snake
I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
I hate bombing campaigns. The fucking Americans did it in iraq to help people, yet look what happened to Iraq. They went and fucking bombed so many times for so many years and not once did they ever hurt saddam, instead, they just killed thousands of Iraqi people, including children and not once did they come close to saddam. My grandparents suffered for many years during those air raids, thousands of their friends died. hardly any Hussain family were killed though.Azih said:
I still don't see what the rationale for an Iran invasion would be. Even if they have nuclear capacities and the U.S. can prove (with real intelligence, this time) that they aim to use them deviously instead of for peaceful purposes, isn't the next step U.N. sanctions and inspections, rather than all-out war? Remember, that worked (coupled with a few other measures) quite effectively for Iraq, contrary to pre-war intelligence.
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I tried to go clean from protesting but I'm a recidivist
my government behaving with unlimited wickedness
in the interest of peace is how a liar wages war
then clamors for more.
I wish we had elections every day
wave the ballot in the air like a sign when I say
that democracy delivered by the bomb and the gun
is terror elsewhere in the world I'm from
do you cheer for the once-and-for-all of an enemy
whose hand our man don was on in '83
but who now exemplifies all evil
that's what you get for shaking hands with people
who represent the vast and sinister interests of industry
we protect the free trade world, so don't dare try to stop us
we deliver them bullets and sell them their coffins
and I wish that I could afford the ear of Bush the second
I'd ask is it your favorite philosopher who recommended
invading and exterminating all who defy us,
crying out justice but seeking out triumphs?
wasn't your christ unbeloved of empires?
one nailed his ass to a post; he expired!
a terrorist, as roman evidence showed
put down like a retard on the death row
in texas, I guess "tough luck," right George?
ain't that how every war gets scored?
big gun wins, winner gets a free turn
enemy after enemy burns
are you listening sir? or did your mind drift
to the next country in your axis
to all the cool bombs drops you get to call
delivery fresh from the 4th reich to y'all
I tried to go clean from protesting but I'm a recidivist
my government behaving with unlimited wickedness
in the interest of peace is how a liar wages war
then clamors for more.
I wish we had elections every day
wave the ballot in the air like a sign when I say
that democracy delivered by the bomb and the gun
is terror elsewhere in the world I'm from
do you cheer for the once-and-for-all of an enemy
whose hand our man don was on in '83
but who now exemplifies all evil
that's what you get for shaking hands with people
who represent the vast and sinister interests of industry
we protect the free trade world, so don't dare try to stop us
we deliver them bullets and sell them their coffins
and I wish that I could afford the ear of Bush the second
I'd ask is it your favorite philosopher who recommended
invading and exterminating all who defy us,
crying out justice but seeking out triumphs?
wasn't your christ unbeloved of empires?
one nailed his ass to a post; he expired!
a terrorist, as roman evidence showed
put down like a retard on the death row
in texas, I guess "tough luck," right George?
ain't that how every war gets scored?
big gun wins, winner gets a free turn
enemy after enemy burns
are you listening sir? or did your mind drift
to the next country in your axis
to all the cool bombs drops you get to call
delivery fresh from the 4th reich to y'all
BooM235689
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Blackace said:
I actually will hate bush for the rest of my life because he attacked iraq but if he attaks iran i will hate him more for the rest of my life.
bob_arctor
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Cyan said:
Better to whine like an asshole than invade like an asshole.
Anyway, my take is that the U.S. is "allowing" some of these leaks in order for people like Hersh and Ritter to print their scoops, which in turn enables the topic of Iran to be raised willingly and at length, which of course allows the U.S. to take the high ground and deny any military build-up while turning around with a "But now that you mention it....". The sensationalism of these accounts, or at least whatever sensionalism is assigned them by the media, makes whatever course of action the U.S. eventually takes less severe by comparison. At the very least, if we assume all these claims are true, the amount of hand-wringing and screeching on both sides of the partisan ballcourt will pretty much numb the general populace into submission anyway.
human5892 said:
God, i really hope there arent sanctions. Lets cripple their economy to give them a much bigger motive to sell their nuclear arms to the highest bidder!! that sounds like a good idea...
A war with Iran is just stupid on numerous levels, arghh. If this ends up being true, my little respect for Bush that was gained because of those tapes, will go back down to nothing.
Musashi Wins!
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I don't see how a war in Iran would be strategically possible right now. Wouldn't there have to be a draft first? I heard recruiting was at an all time low (for obvious reasons). I'm sure it'd be good for you younger folks though, having a war and all. Wash that nancy-pantsy anime right out of your system!
(yea, j/k the whole idea is horrendous in case that's not clear.)
(yea, j/k the whole idea is horrendous in case that's not clear.)
Because it's trying to read his mind. The simplest explanation is that his opinions changed as his observations changed. The article is a whole ball of conspiracy theories rolled up into one.
Was it revenge? Greed? I mean, the writer is grasping at straws. The simple fact IS that Ritter has always been right, and it's not surprising since he's always situated himself in the best position to make unbiased observations. I guess the writer can't accept that.
Phoenix
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Musashi Wins! said:
Attacking Iran != War with Iran. The US has conducted strategic air attacks against MANY countries as a slap on the wrist in the past. Any attack against Iran would be punitive in nature - "you liked building those nuclear plants, good then you can build them again after we blow them up".
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