Bush: The model for Iraq should be South Korea

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Terrorism for the next 50 years? What did that crazy Ron Paul guy say during the last GOP debate?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070531/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq

Bush sees South Korea model for Iraq
By TERENCE HUNT, AP White House Correspondent
38 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - President Bush envisions a long-term U.S. troop presence in Iraq similar to the one in South Korea where American forces have helped keep an uneasy peace for more than 50 years, the White House said Wednesday.

The comparison was offered as the Pentagon announced the completion of the troop buildup ordered by Bush in January. The last of about 21,500 combat troops to arrive were an Army brigade in Baghdad and a Marine unit heading into the Anbar province in western Iraq.

Brig. Gen. Perry Wiggins, deputy director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said there are now 20 combat brigades in Iraq, up from 15 when the buildup began. A brigade is roughly 3,500 troops. Overall, the Pentagon said there are 150,000 U.S. troops in Iraq. That number may still climb as more support troops move in.

The administration warns that the buildup will result in more U.S. casualties as more American soldiers come into contact with enemy forces. May already is the third bloodiest month since the war began in March 2003. As of late Tuesday, there were 116 U.S. deaths in Iraq so far in May — trailing only the 137 in November 2004 and the 135 in April 2004. Overall, more than 3,460 U.S. service members have died.

Presidential spokesman Tony Snow said Bush has cited the long-term Korea analogy in looking at the U.S. role in Iraq, where American forces are in the fifth year of an unpopular war. Bush's goal is for Iraqi forces to take over the chief security responsibilities, relieving U.S. forces of frontline combat duty, Snow said.

"I think the point he's trying to make is that the situation in Iraq, and indeed, the larger war on terror, are things that are going to take a long time," Snow said. "But it is not always going to require an up-front combat presence."

Instead, he said, U.S. troops would provide "the so-called over-the-horizon support that is necessary from time to time to come to the assistance of the Iraqis. But you do not want the United States forever in the front."

The comparison with South Korea paints a picture of a lengthy U.S. commitment at a time when Americans have grown weary of the Iraq war and want U.S. troops to start coming home. Bush vetoed legislation that would set timetables for U.S. troop withdrawals, and forced Congress to approve a new bill stripped of troop pullout language.

Asked if U.S. forces would be permanently stationed in Iraq, Snow said, "No, not necessarily." He said that the prospect of permanent U.S. bases in Iraq were "not necessarily the case, either."

Later, Snow said it was impossible to say if U.S. troops would remain in Iraq for some 50 years, as they have in South Korea. "I don't know," he said. "It is an unanswerable question. But I'm not making that suggestion. ... The war on terror is a long war."
 
I don't see how anyone could come to any other conclusion that this was the ultimate goal of the war in the first place.

Someone needs to post a pic of the map with the permanent bases.
 
siamesedreamer said:
I don't see how anyone could come to any other conclusion that this was the ultimate goal of the war in the first place.

Someone needs to post a pic of the map with the permanent bases.
Of course it was. We weren't welcome in Saudi Arabia anymore, so we moved to Iraq.

I don't know why anyone thinks it was ever the plan to leave.
 
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"We got that oil now bitches!"
 
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Source: GlobalSecurity.org

As of mid-2005, the U.S. military had 106 forward operating bases in Iraq, including what the Pentagon calls 14 “enduring” bases (twelve of which are located on the map) – all of which are to be consolidated into four mega-bases.

1) Green Zone (Baghdad)

The Green Zone in central Baghdad includes the main palaces of former President Saddam Hussein. The area at one time housed the Coalition Provisional Authority; it still houses the offices of major U.S. consulting companies and the temporary U.S. embassy facilities.

2) Camp Anaconda (Balad Airbase)

Camp Anaconda is a large U.S. logistical base near Balad. The camp is spread over 15 square miles and is being constructed to accommodate 20,000 soldiers.

3) Camp Taji (Taji)

Camp Taji, former Iraqi Republican Guard “military city,“ is now a huge U.S. base equipped with a Subway, Burger King and Pizza Hut on the premises.

4) Camp Falcon-Al-Sarq (Baghdad)

In late September 2003, the 439th Engineering Battalion delivered over 100,000 tons of gravel and is assisting with building roads, walls, guard towers, and buildings for Camp Falcon. Camp Falcon is planned to house 5,000 soldiers.

5) Post Freedom (Mosul)

Saddam Hussein's former palace in Mosul is currently home to the 101st Airborne Division.

6) Camp Victory- Al Nasr (Baghdad Airfield)

Camp Victory is a U.S. Army base situated on airport grounds about 5 kilometers from Baghdad International Airport. The base can house up to 14,000 troops. Al Faw Palace on Camp Victory is surrounded by a man-made lake and serves as an unofficial conference center for the Army.

7) Camp Marez (Mosul Airfield)

Located at an airfield southwest of Mosul, Camp Marez has a tent dining capacity for 500. In December 2004, a suicide bomber killed himself and 13 U.S. soldiers at the base’s dining tent.

8) Camp Renegade (Kirkuk)

Strategically located near the Kirkuk oil fields and the Kirkuk refinery and petrochemical plant, Camp Renegade has a dormitory that houses up to 1,664 airmen in 13 buildings with six to eight people to a room.

9) Camp Speicher (Tikrit)

Named after F/A-18 pilot Michael "Scott" Speicher who was shot down during the first Gulf War in 1991, Camp Speicher is located near Tikrit in northern Iraq, approximately 170 kilometers north of Baghdad.

10) Camp Fallujuh (Rail Station?)

The exact whereabouts and name of this base is unknown. Analysts believe that the U.S. is building an “enduring base” in Fallujah, a large town forty miles west of Baghdad. Fallujah has proved to be the most violence prone area in Iraq. Between early April 2004, when Marines halted their first offensive against the city, and November 2004, when the city was “re-taken” from insurgents, Fallujuh was a no-go area with numerous murders and bombings.

11) Unknown name (Nasiriyah)

The exact whereabouts and name of this base is unknown. Analysts believe that the U.S. is building an “enduring base” near Nasiriyah, a provincial capital of South-East Iraq on the Euphrates River.

12) Unknown name (between Irbil and Kirkuk)

13) Unknown

14) Unknown
 
I'm still not getting what Iraq has to do with the "War" On Terror, regardless of the number of times he repeats himself.
 
Deku said:
There are still permanent US bases in Germany and Japan.

Here:

South Korea is just one example of U.S. troops stationed more than a half-century after war. Germany and Japan are two other examples. American forces are deployed in roughly 130 countries around the world, performing a variety of duties from combat to peacekeeping to training foreign militaries, according to GlobalSecurity.org, a defense-oriented think tank.
 
IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

It shows a complete lack of understanding of the Asian cultures. Asians have had very few divisions based on religion, most divisions were based on territory such as in Europe itself. Asians quickly adapt to changing situations because of their lack of strong religious foundations. They can accept new rulership and new ways of life thanks to that. While they do have traditions, these traditions rarely if ever prevent them from adapting to the Western way of life, they remain mostly occasional/seasonal and not part of their daily life routines.

Lack of religion = easier adaptation.

So much for financing the creation of Koranic schools just to beat the atheist commies!

And bullshit on the "non-easy peace for 50 years". Outside of the fight over communism, Korea itself (South Korea) has been at great peace. They don't kill one another over anything, they live peacefully and normally like China and Japan do today. If Bush wants a peaceful Iraq, make it a secular state (not gonna happen democratically). Ooops, they removed the closest thing they had to that.
 
Ether_Snake said:
IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

It shows a complete lack of understanding of the Asian cultures. Asians have had very few divisions based on religion, most divisions were based on territory such as in Europe itself. Asians quickly adapt to changing situations because of their lack of strong religious foundations. While they do have traditions, these traditions rarely if ever prevent them from adapting to the Western way of life, they remain mostly occasional/seasonal and not part of their daily life routines.

Lack of religion = easier adaptation.
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No, I think it actually has a lot more to do with Buddhist concepts of impermanence


Looking at that map of base placements is interesting. Most of the stability in the country is in the North of the country right? That's were most of the bases are.
Anyway, yeah, we are going to have a presence there for a very very long time. The US really has no reason to be in Japan or Germany anymore, but those places are very valuable geopolitically. Iraq is just another feather in the US's proverbial hat.
 
tnw said:
No, I think it actually has a lot more to do with Buddhist concepts of impermanence

Anyway, yeah, we are going to have a presence there for a very very long time. The US really has no reason to be in Japan or Germany anymore, but those places are very valuable geopolitically. Iraq is just another feather in the US's proverbial hat.

So, in essence, Al Qaeda and its splinter factions continue in perpetuity.
 
tnw said:
No, I think it actually has a lot more to do with Buddhist concepts of impermanence.

Well I said culture rather than religion because Buddhism is not serious in Asia like Islam is in the middle-east. Buddhism had an impact on their cultures and hence their behaviors, but it is not because of Buddhism itself that Asians are more likely to accept change because Buddhism has little impact in their daily lives, nor does it regulate their actions. If Koreans want to they can adopt any law they want, in the middle-east this is not possible unless the nation is secular (Turkey for example, and yeah I know it's not really the middle-east).

Anyway, the point is they will keep fighting each other, this won't change through any attempts at peace-keeping. Koreans (other than North Koreans during the war itself) never fought Americans for their presence, not even for a day.
 
Matt said:
Of course it was. We weren't welcome in Saudi Arabia anymore, so we moved to Iraq.

I don't know why anyone thinks it was ever the plan to leave.


And this is why they hate us. Now the ****ing terrorist have won. We will give them 50 years of plus hate.


Thanks Bush. :thumbsup:
 
Hitokage said:
Decades of suspended war?


Yep. And we are at 3,460 dead soliders. May is the 3rd worst month for the USA since the war started. It's getting worst yet we say we will stay for 50 years.
 
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