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Cloudy said:Give impressions after you see it
Ok watched it, not to creepy at all (well except for the end of epp 4, yikes :lol ). Haven't watched to many of these non action type Animes but I did like it. This thread had me thinking the brother was going to be all over the sister but it nothing like that. More like he is trying to overcome the awkward situation he is in. Looking forward to the other 2 dvds.
Cloudy nice pick, I like it!
the only type of show like this I have watched (forgot what it is called.. shousen??) is Sakura Diaries.. oddly enough the woman DID watch it with me and enjoyed it.. though I only got up to volume two on the DVD before I stopped buying it (don't remember why). Then I went back and I was kind of pissed that they released the uncut Complete Collection for less than what I paid for volumes one and two cut.... bah.... was sore enough about that to not pick it up.
You should check out His and Her Circumstances. It's a comedy/drama and Rightstuf.com has the entire set for just $35
http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/catalogmgr/hpvJsE81HRoTV=V=G0/browse/item/62394/4/153/0
I don't know of any deals for these but here are some other excellent shows:
Azumanga Daioh
Fruits Basket
Saikano
http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/catalogmgr/hpvJsE81HRoTV=V=G0/browse/item/62394/4/153/0
I don't know of any deals for these but here are some other excellent shows:
Azumanga Daioh
Fruits Basket
Saikano
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Cloudy said:You should check out His and Her Circumstances. It's a comedy/drama and Rightstuf.com has the entire set for just $35
http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/catalogmgr/hpvJsE81HRoTV=V=G0/browse/item/62394/4/153/0
I don't know of any deals for these but here are some other excellent shows:
Azumanga Daioh
Fruits Basket
Saikano
Thanks! I picked up:
His and Her Bargain Circumstances DVD Bundle
G-Gundam DVD Box Set 1
G-Gundam DVD Box Set 2
G-Gundam DVD Box Set 3
G-Gundam DVD Box Set 4
Boogiepop Phantom Ultra DVD Box Set Limited Edition
Brain Powered 1 DVD
Brain Powered 2 DVD
Brain Powered 3 DVD
Plastic Little
Ruin Explorers
Sugar, A Little Snow Fairy DVD Box Set
I have the others you listed. Haven't got around to Fruits Basket yet but I hope to soon. Check out my DVD collection. You can see I have a lot of stuff to watch still. :lol
I thought Sentimental Journey was based on a travel simulation game? It's in the same genre as Kita e.
And Seraphim Call is based on a manga by Nanase Aoi, it has nothing to do with the renai genre.
Funny that you say that SJ made you fall asleep. Typically action anime makes me sleep. :lol I guess I prefer mature anime to stuff meant for kids (GITS:SAC, Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou, and Planetes are the kinds of shows i like that puts most people to sleep).
To Shouta: Kanon, Air, Kiminozo, and Tsukihime seem to be the most popular H game->anime conversions, the latter two being really popular among girls, which goes a long way in saying how accepted they are among US fans. I've seen renai that bored the crap out of me (Tokimeki Memorial) but those 4 shows really kicked ass in terms of story.
Konex seems to just like straight out shoujo drama/shounen romantic comedy rather than specifically bishoujo drama though.
well bishoujo means "pretty girl", obviously something like that wouldn't cater to normal girls. It's a term invented by otaku to refer to shows that focus on girls in general, such as Seraphim Call (which is incidentally created by a woman), and it can also be used for just about every H game->G-rated anime conversion out there.
shoujo is anything intended for girls. A stereotypically shoujo is a high school romance ala KareKano.
shoujo is anything intended for girls. A stereotypically shoujo is a high school romance ala KareKano.
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Sentimental Journey is based on Sentimental Grafitti (and Grafitti 2) the Playstation and Dreamcast games. The anime actually fits between SG1 and SG2 and is really meant to further the stories of the girls.
I didn't know that about Seraphim Call, always thought it was a little known game.
I'm not too tight with my genre guidelines nor do I really follow the Japanese guidelines (I don't agree with it personally). To me, SC has more in common with the standard "Renai game" than it does a typical romance show hence my inclusion of them together. I probably just call it the "Renai genre" to keep folks less confused when they talk to me and to piss off some others (I think I killed anotheriori's brain on AIM last night). :lol.
I didn't like the first 3 myself. Tsukihime is ok but only for the premise and some of the plot points but I didn't like much else of it.
The Tokimemo anime is boring as dirt just like the To Heart anime was. Terrrrible example of game -> anime conversions (then again, both series are kind of boring anyway from a story standpoint). I still give Sentimental Journey my award though.
Shoujo = Aimed at girls. For manga, it's usually whatever's printed in a girl's focused magazine (I disagree with this classification myself ;p). For anime, it's generally a little trickier. If it has a manga, just find out where it's printed to find genre by most people's standards. If it has no manga and is an original anime series, you gotta do some digging into the show.
Bishoujo = Literally means pretty girls (or beautiful girl), this genre is usually aimed at guys but can be aimed at girls in cases too. It's hard to pinpoint what, but you can usually sniff a Bishoujo drama a mile away by content/character/name previews as well as actually watching the show. There's quite a big difference between Shoujo/Shounen/Bishoujo romance series but I'd have to sit down and really think about it to give you a full answer.
Renai and Bishoujo also, are pretty much interchangeable genre names as well (as long as we are talking about shows aimed at guys... boys love shows could be considered renai if they're based on boys love games, but they belong in the yaoi category).
The reason I can't consider Seraphim Call 'renai' is because renai means that there is romance between the main male lead (you) and the girls in the show. There is no main male lead, or even a principal male character in Seraphim Call. It's a show about the lives of 11 girls.
The reason I love it so much is because some of the episodes are incredibly creative, showcasing an artistic direction instead of just simple drama storytelling. The 2nd episode, we're treated to a voyeuristic perspective of a young girl's room, and the twist at the end was brilliant. The episodes involving the twin sisters were creative in the fact that the exact same footage was used in both eps, but the dialogue and roles were reversed. These are just two examples of how Seraphim Call rocked, and anyone who hasn't seen it and is interested in something different should check it out.
The reason I can't consider Seraphim Call 'renai' is because renai means that there is romance between the main male lead (you) and the girls in the show. There is no main male lead, or even a principal male character in Seraphim Call. It's a show about the lives of 11 girls.
The reason I love it so much is because some of the episodes are incredibly creative, showcasing an artistic direction instead of just simple drama storytelling. The 2nd episode, we're treated to a voyeuristic perspective of a young girl's room, and the twist at the end was brilliant. The episodes involving the twin sisters were creative in the fact that the exact same footage was used in both eps, but the dialogue and roles were reversed. These are just two examples of how Seraphim Call rocked, and anyone who hasn't seen it and is interested in something different should check it out.
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Judging by the almost complete lack of fansubs whatsoever, I may not have much company in saying this...but I really like this show, even if I'm ambivalent to Tomino's most famous works.
PS: (oh god where is a Keroro Gunsou license?! 52 eps of brilliance and not even a sub in sight...)
PS: (oh god where is a Keroro Gunsou license?! 52 eps of brilliance and not even a sub in sight...)
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Good reason. I tend to see "Renai" in a larger scale though. It's not just about the male lead and the girls, but about finding love and its effects in the overall sense. There's more to my definition but we could probably discuss that later ;p.
I totally forgot SC was not just about love. I'll have to go back and watch it soon (don't have the DVD yet, last time I watched it was back when it was first released in Japan) because I forgot most of the stories.
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Well I prefer well directed human drama over action stuff too. But notice that the shows you mention above aren't ren'ai or travel anime. I mean I really loved Kita E because I felt it was well written with interesting stories, good voice acting, and a nice tour of Hokkaido. But 90% of ren'ai/travel animes like Kanon/To Heart/what I saw from ep1 of SJ do not have good writing nor direction. They are just fanservice in the way that it's like 'oh look here is Girl A from that game you played! Now watch her move around and talk!'. I think the main problem is that in the games you are making the choices and the story plays out how based on them. The anime versions are like watching someone play a game and making choices that have nothing to do with you, I find that lame and boring.
But still I said 90% because there are a few shows that are well done such as Kimino or even a few of the early eps of Da Capo.
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SJ is definitely a show for fans but it can be watched standalone. I actually watched SJ first then read up about SG and it clicked much more. Saying SJ is poorly written is criminal if you ask me because the show does so much to expand on the characters found in the games. I can understand complaining about some of the more obtuse pacing and dialogues from time to time but the show is far from poorly written.
Well I was kinda talking about ren'ai anime in general. I mean I watched SJ ep1 like 6-7 years ago on VHS and never watched past that. I don't even remember anything other than the name at this point =P
Also I don't play any of the games (except Kanon but that's just for Japanese practice), so maybe people who play ren'ai games enjoy the animes more?
Also I don't play any of the games (except Kanon but that's just for Japanese practice), so maybe people who play ren'ai games enjoy the animes more?
Actually they like the anime less because the anime tends to butcher the games' stories (it's hard to compress the extremely long stories of the games into 12 or 13 episodes).
It's non-Japanese fans who are big on renai anime such as the ones I listed. I personally liked Sentimental Journey, but I agree that it's fairly unpopular among most non-japanese people. But shows like Air and Kanon have stories full of supernatural and mystic themes, and are extremely emotional. You'd have to be totally against watching something that can make you cry to not enjoy shows like them. And I think Kiminozo is popular because it's pretty much a soap opera when you get down to it.
The reason I brought up shows like GITS is because most of my friends who hate renai anime also hate what they call "boring" anime. But then again they are girls who have pretty limited tastes to begin with. When you get down to it, you don't need to be a fan of SG to appreciate SJ, you simply have to have more refined tastes and a greater appreciation of character drama and less preference for action.
Bebpo I take it you are not Japanese? Usually Japanese otaku have a better understanding of the whole renai/bishoujo/h anime scene, but I guess that depends on how otaku you are.
It's non-Japanese fans who are big on renai anime such as the ones I listed. I personally liked Sentimental Journey, but I agree that it's fairly unpopular among most non-japanese people. But shows like Air and Kanon have stories full of supernatural and mystic themes, and are extremely emotional. You'd have to be totally against watching something that can make you cry to not enjoy shows like them. And I think Kiminozo is popular because it's pretty much a soap opera when you get down to it.
The reason I brought up shows like GITS is because most of my friends who hate renai anime also hate what they call "boring" anime. But then again they are girls who have pretty limited tastes to begin with. When you get down to it, you don't need to be a fan of SG to appreciate SJ, you simply have to have more refined tastes and a greater appreciation of character drama and less preference for action.
Bebpo I take it you are not Japanese? Usually Japanese otaku have a better understanding of the whole renai/bishoujo/h anime scene, but I guess that depends on how otaku you are.
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A lot of them are really for fans, I can't fault you there. SJ is really different has it serves as a point of character growth for inbetween the games. You don't really have to play the games to enjoy SJ itself, just know what happened to each of the girls and why their stories/lives are like that.
If you seriously intend on watching the show, then reading this would be a good idea.
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/sentimental_graffiti_yakusoku.txt
That's basically a text translation of the "Sentimental Graffiti: Yakusoku" Digital Novel for the Playstation. It tells the stories of the girls from as a story (where Sentimental Graffiti is done so through the usual conventions, I believe).
There's other reasons too but I'd get called elitist for it. :lol
If you seriously intend on watching the show, then reading this would be a good idea.
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/sentimental_graffiti_yakusoku.txt
That's basically a text translation of the "Sentimental Graffiti: Yakusoku" Digital Novel for the Playstation. It tells the stories of the girls from as a story (where Sentimental Graffiti is done so through the usual conventions, I believe).
There's other reasons too but I'd get called elitist for it. :lol
I thought you're proud to be an elitist?
BTW a "travel simulation" is simply a game where the main theme is visiting various locations and basking in the beauty of the scenery. Such is a game like Kita e~, and Sentimental Graffiti, to my understanding, does the same thing. Of course there are girls involved, but there's a reason why the main male character is floating around from city to city...
I'm not actually quite sure what other games/anime fall into that category, since those are the only two i've watched that do fall into it.
Pellham said:Bebpo I take it you are not Japanese? Usually Japanese otaku have a better understanding of the whole renai/bishoujo/h anime scene, but I guess that depends on how otaku you are.
Yes I am a not-Japanese person. But when it comes down to it I'm not really looking for a deep understanding of the 'scene'. When a new anime season rolls around I'll check out ep1/2 of each show and stick with the stuff that has good direction/writing. Whether that's a story of talking playstations eating mushrooms or homosexual men piloting robots on a planet of evil women, I'll watch anything as long as it's well made. I was just trying to say that out of almost all the genres I'd say ren'ai stuff has the lowest percentage of well made shows behind Gonzo shows.
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Serious fan translations aren't going to happen unless it's an incredibly powerful game/anime that effects a large number of people who experience it (like the Xenosaga ep1 project).
I did a few fansubs back in the day but the time it takes to do a top-notch translation + editing + timing kills your social life. I couldn't see anyone doing it weekly unless they were getting paid as a real job.
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Weekly, (like for anime) isn't that hard to be honest. As long as you have folks to split up the duties, an excellent translator/editor and timer/typesetters go a long way. Mind you, when I say serious fansubs, I mean much higher quality than the average group now. There are excellent groups out there though.
Fan translations of games would require some dedication though, I gotta agree there.
Fan translations of games would require some dedication though, I gotta agree there.
Are you kidding? I've heard Kita-he games are bit on boring side, though I liked anime. Have you played Quartett! ? Same character designer as Kita-he, plus that game has probably the most amazing artwork in any eroge ever, great OST aswell, hope we'll see anime adaptation of that one. Then again there's sick amount of eroge/galgames that crave for anime versions.Shouta said:
Bebpo said:
Actually, I'd argue that serious fan translations are more likely to come from hardcore fans of a particularly niche genre. Anything with wide spread appeal is going to have half a dozen half-assed translations happening at any time, where as the real labor of love stuff tends to happen with the more obscure, particularly if it's unlikely to be licensed in the West. Of course, there are pleasant exceptions.
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