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[MazeHaze]

You think it's poor because of the number. But in reality it plays fine. I can ensure you because I play overwatch on it everyday on pc/tv.

I am no Sony fanboy. Like I said, I own both Sony and Sammy. My pick goes to the Sony for colors. It put lag may seem high for the Sony. But it plays fine and I am a fps gamer.

No. I think it's poor because I've played games at 60ms lag, and toggled game mode on to 30 and compared the difference. I'm speaking from personal experience, not speculation.

Hell, on my current tv, sometimes it auto switches to pc mode when I boot my pc because of the receiver. This mode has a 37 ms lag, I notice immediately in Overwatch and change it to game mode.

 

[Sushen]

Anyone getting or considering Sony X850D?

 

[Karak]

Every time I see this thread I get more and more depressed I can't afford a 4k tv.

Not a loss. Wait until some of the stuff is sorted out anyway.

 

[lt519]

Ended up going for the PC Richard's Samsung 40KU6290. With the $25 newsletter discount and no tax I have a 40" 4k 10 bit "HDR" (not an expanded color gamut) but still Rtings runner up for best 40-43" 4K (same TV as the 6300 but a standard remote instead of smart). Ended up $305 shipped.


http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/40-42-43-inch/best

Man smaller screens are so much cheaper. Wish I wasn't upgrading my living room TV. I'd love to do my gaming on a 30-40" screen in a study instead of on a 60" in a living room. Alas I have no study :0

 

[MazeHaze]

Anyone getting or considering Sony X850D?

Don't do it. I owned this set and returned it. Contrast is abysmal. Go with the ks8000 or the Vizio p (in 65 only) for the same price.

 

[Gitaroo]

Anyone getting or considering Sony X850D?

Got that tv, my advice is dont get it. Shit gaming tv with the kind of input lag (60ms in 4k). Infact skip all sony tv unless you are going 43"-49" low end like x800D.

 

[MazeHaze]

Got that tv, my advice is dont get it. Shit gaming tv with the kind of input lag (60ms in 4k). Infact skip all sony tv unless you are going 43"-49" low end like x800D.

Actually only go with the 43 inch x800d, the 49 is IPS and has poor contrast like the 850d.

 

[Sushen]

Hmm.. I like built-in android TV and 4 HDMI port of X850D. How many HDMI ports does k8000 has?

 

[MazeHaze]

Hmm.. I like built-in android TV and 4 HDMI port of X850D. How many HDMI ports does k8000 has?

It has 4. Trust me, as a former 850d owner who exchanged for the ks8000 after 2 weeks, the samsung is better, no contest. Not even close. Dark scenes in games, movies, tv and HDR are terrible on the 850d.

 

[Madness]

Remember the thread is about 4k tv for 4k and HDR gaming with price a factor. The best options are the X800D and the KS8000. Other televisions are solid and may look better but you want low input lag for gaming with decent HDR and 4k quality. For example, the Sony X930D has an amazing picture, I would pick it over a KS8000 if my goal was amazing HDR and 3d and 4k and whatnot, but the price and input lag make it a non contender. 60ms is still playable, but it is high enough that you will notice the difference between 20-30 ms sets. Again, it all depends on what you can afford. No set is perfect, some sets don't have a feature you may want, 3D, 120hz, Android TV etc.

Also for those asking, the 60" version of the KS8000 is different from the 55" and 65". The panel is manufactured differently and people have reported things like poor viewing angles, cloudiness, worse backlighting and color etc. Something to keep in mind.

 

[Gitaroo]

Actually only go with the 43 inch x800d, the 49 is IPS and has poor contrast like the 850d.

Compares to other brands in the same levels, still the best option. Its color is even better than ks8000. If anyone is patient, best to wait until CES 017. Not far away.

 

[MazeHaze]

Remember the thread is about 4k tv for 4k and HDR gaming with price a factor. The best options are the X800D and the KS8000. Other televisions are solid and may look better but you want low input lag for gaming with decent HDR and 4k quality. For example, the Sony X930D has an amazing picture, I would pick it over a KS8000 if my goal was amazing HDR and 3d and 4k and whatnot, but the price and input lag make it a non contender. 60ms is still playable, but it is high enough that you will notice the difference between 20-30 ms sets. Again, it all depends on what you can afford. No set is perfect, some sets don't have a feature you may want, 3D, 120hz, Android TV etc.

Also for those asking, the 60" version of the KS8000 is different from the 55" and 65". The panel is manufactured differently and people have reported things like poor viewing angles, cloudiness, worse backlighting and color etc. Something to keep in mind.

This post is dead on and should be in the OP. On a tight budget? 43 inch 800d ( the 49 is an IPS panel). Got over a grand to spend? Ks8000.

 

[MazeHaze]

Compares to other brands in the same levels, still the best option. Its color is even better than ks8000. If anyone is patient, best to wait until CES 017. Not far away.

The 800d absolutely doesnt have better color than the ks8000, as it is technically an 8 bit panel. 49incher with the IPS is gonna disappoint for 800 usd. Get the 49 ks8000 for 200 more.

 

[Madness]

The 800d absolutely doesnt have better color than the ks8000, as it is technically an 8 bit panel. 49incher with the IPS is gonna disappoint for 800 usd. Get the 49 ks8000 for 200 more.

Aside from Rtings bungling the review early, no other places mention it is an 8 bit panel. Could be 8 bit with FRC dithering, but most evidence was based off of what Rtings had originally claimed. It has to be full 10 bit panel, the wide color gamut and triluminous display is higher than the KS8000 numbers no?

 

[Sushen]

How about ks8500 curved vs ks8000?

 

[Gitaroo]

The 800d absolutely doesnt have better color than the ks8000, as it is technically an 8 bit panel. 49incher with the IPS is gonna disappoint for 800 usd. Get the 49 ks8000 for 200 more.

If you are in the US sure. Samsung pricing is horrible in many other countries. I was going to take my x850d back for the ks8000, but it cost 600-700 more, don't want tizen os and the response time is almost twice as slow which is a big turn off for games personally. Tested it at the store and double image/ghost like slow ass pc mon is just as bad as high input lag for me. Non of the tv is all around flawless this year as much as people praise the ks8000 in this forum.

 

[Madness]

How about ks8500 curved vs ks8000?

Curved is worse than flat in my opinion. Anecdotal reports sure, but from what I have read, there are issues sith backlighting and cloudiness and some motion issues. I wouldn't buy any curved television yet besides the LG OLED's.

 

[MazeHaze]

If you are in the US sure. Samsung pricing is horrible in many other countries. I was going to take my x850d back for the ks8000, but it cost 600-700 more, don't want tizen os and the response time is almost twice as slow which is a big turn off for games personally.

For those prices, I would wait. Response time is a non issue in my experience as someone who owned both sets. Also Tizen OS is fine, you can still cast from your phone to the TV and such. Only time I see the OS is when I pull up the task bar to select netflix, amazon, or change inputs.

 

[Astral Dog]

i rather buy a 1080p tv for PS"4K"

 

[MazeHaze]

Aside from Rtings bungling the review early, no other places mention it is an 8 bit panel. Could be 8 bit with FRC dithering, but most evidence was based off of what Rtings had originally claimed. It has to be full 10 bit panel, the wide color gamut and triluminous display is higher than the KS8000 numbers no?

The samsung has a full native 10bit (non frc dithered) wcg and quantum dot display. It also has a much higher contrast ratio.

 

[whoaduh]

If anyone would like an invite for the samsung epp deal, I have 5 invites to pay forward after someone was nice enough to invite me. Just PM me with your name and email. I'll invite you first thing in the morning. Gotta get to bed.

 

[MazeHaze]

If you are in the US sure. Samsung pricing is horrible in many other countries. I was going to take my x850d back for the ks8000, but it cost 600-700 more, don't want tizen os and the response time is almost twice as slow which is a big turn off for games personally. Tested it at the store and double image/ghost like slow ass pc mon is just as bad as high input lag for me. Non of the tv is all around flawless this year as much as people praise the ks8000 in this forum.

Double image slow ass pc mon? I use this as a pc monitor daily and see absolutely no double image or ghosting whatsoever.

 

[Madness]

The samsung has a full native 10bit (non frc dithered) wcg and quantum dot display. It also has a much higher contrast ratio.

Of course, but the X800D seems to also be a 10 bit panel. Aside from Rtings, no other site ever mentioned it was 8 bit. I do think the televisions that were HDR ready like the X700D may be 8 bit with frc dithering, but X800D is 10 bit. It has to be because it has a higher wcg and their triluminous display.

 

[huh1678]

If anyone would like an invite for the samsung epp deal, I have 5 invites to pay forward after someone was nice enough to invite me. Just PM me with your name and email. I'll invite you first thing in the morning. Gotta get to bed.

hmm do you happen to know how much is the 49" ks8000 with the eep?

 

[Gitaroo]

For those prices, I would wait. Response time is a non issue in my experience as someone who owned both sets. Also Tizen OS is fine, you can still cast from your phone to the TV and such. Only time I see the OS is when I pull up the task bar to select netflix, amazon, or change inputs.

Cast like miracast or google cast? If its miracast then no thanks, way too unreliable. I don't hate tizen or web os, infact I find those ui much cleaner than android tv. But is the functionality like kodi mx players, built in google cast that arethe most important. Especially when it let you sideload android apps.

 

[MazeHaze]

Of course, but the X800D seems to also be a 10 bit panel. Aside from Rtings, no other site ever mentioned it was 8 bit. I do think the televisions that were HDR ready like the X700D may be 8 bit with frc dithering, but X800D is 10 bit. It has to be because it has a higher wcg and their triluminous display.

Even if that's the case, the 49 inch is an IPS like the 850d and has crap black levels (all blacks are gray). Seems the 43 inch is a great budget set though.

 

[MazeHaze]

Cast like miracast or google cast? If its miracast then no thanks, way too unreliable. I don't hate tizen or web os, infact I find those ui much cleaner than android tv. But is the functionality like kodi mx players, built in google cast that arethe most important. Especially when it let you sideload android apps.

Not sure I don't use it much. I know I can cast youtube from my phone to the tv, also anything from google play. I can also cast any videos from my PC to the tv by right clicking the file and selecting "cast to device"

Also if you have a samsung phone(i dont) you can mirror your phone to the tv. The tv also supports dualshock 4 input and keyboard.

 

[whoaduh]

hmm do you happen to know how much is the 49" ks8000 with the eep?

65" - 1279.99
60" - 1054.99
55" - 929.99
49" - 874.99

 

[Gitaroo]

Double image slow ass pc mon? I use this as a pc monitor daily and see absolutely no double image or ghosting whatsoever.

You use pc mon with 15+ms response time? Ks8000 response time is around 18ms irc. I don't touch any moniter over 8ms. I think all sony tv are better with motion hands down. Like I said I have tested the ks8000 at the store, ultimately it is the price, os and response time that changed my mind. Non of the tv line up thid year is the perfect gaming tv. Next year though if samsung can improve the response time. Sony can improve the input lag, then we have much better option.

Not sure I don't use it much. I know I can cast youtube from my phone to the tv, also anything from google play. I can also cast any videos from my PC to the tv by right clicking the file and selecting "cast to device"

Also if you have a samsung phone(i dont) you can mirror your phone to the tv. The tv also supports dualshock 4 input and keyboard.

That is miracast basically, from my exp, works 85% of the time, and google cast is much easier and more reliable. If you want miracast, most smart tv has it, even the x850D has it, pretty sure LG has it too.

 

[huh1678]

65" - 1279.99
60" - 1054.99
55" - 929.99
49" - 874.99

thanks a lot, i'd have to consider this since this is tempting -_-

 

[xerzewatt]

65" - 1279.99
60" - 1054.99
55" - 929.99
49" - 874.99

I do have epp (perksatwork) via my workplace but the price shows 1699 for the 65". If this is a different deal I would appreciate a code. Thanks.

 

[MazeHaze]

You use pc mon with 15+ms response time? Ks8000 response time is around 18ms irc. I don't touch any moniter over 8ms. I think all sony tv are better with motion hands down. Like I said I have tested the ks8000 at the store, ultimately it is the price, os and response time that changed my mind. Non of the tv line up thid year is the perfect gaming tv. Next year though if samsung can improve the response time. Sony can improve the input lag, then we have much better option.

You hooked a PC up to it at the store? Ive been using it as a PC monitor for 3 months now, no issues. No motion problems whatsoever, eveything looks crisp and fluid. For video content I set the motion handling to custom with blur reduction and judder reduction at 3, again no issues. Also you aren't gonna find a 4k hdr tv with less than 20ms input lag. Obviously if you want 8ms your only option will be a monitor, period, but those don't have HDR. 20ms is more than fine for a TV.

 

[Sushen]

What is eep? How do I get it for samsung?
It sounds like I need a code? How do I get one?

 

[Gitaroo]

You hooked a PC up to it at the store? Ive been using it as a PC monitor for 3 months now, no issues. No motion problems whatsoever, eveything looks crisp and fluid. For video content I set the motion handling to custom with blur reduction and judder reduction at 3, again no issues. Also you aren't gonna find a 4k hdr tv with less than 20ms input lag. Obviously if you want 8ms your only option will be a monitor, period, but those don't have HDR. 20ms is more than fine for a TV.

actually OLED has like 0ms response time but I won't argue with this because different people have different level of tolerance even with input lag. Personal I find ks8000 too slow so I decide to keep the x850D and hope sony will fix it, if not then I'll find a way to sell it next year. Already went through 3 different tvs in 2 months too tired carrying it back.

 

[newsguy]

65" - 1279.99
60" - 1054.99
55" - 929.99
49" - 874.99

Remember to add your state tax to these. 65" was $1369 after 7%

 

[MazeHaze]

actually OLED has like 0ms response time but I won't argue with this because different people have different level of tolerance even with input lag. Personal I find ks8000 too slow so I decide to keep the x850D and hope sony will fix it, if not then I'll find a way to sell it next year. Already went through 3 different tvs in 2 months too tired carrying it back.

You're confusing pixel response time with input lag. Input lag on the 850d is twice as high as the ks8000, and like 4 times as high with HDR. Input lag on the OLEDS is higher than the ks8000 as well.

 

[Gitaroo]

DF actually posted an excellent video about 4K tv shopping I am not sure if this has been posted, but I think wait until CES is the best thing to do. I kind of regreted jumping in early.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXhxv6j3LcE

 

[DoomGyver]

Just out of curiosity, which 4k hdr set has the lowest input lag?

 

[Gitaroo]

You're confusing pixel response time with input lag. Input lag on the 850d is twice as high as the ks8000, and like 4 times as high with HDR. Input lag on the OLEDS is higher than the ks8000 as well.

No I am not confused. Response time /=input lag. I never said those two are linked in anyway. I said people have different tolerance for response time AND input lag.

 

[MazeHaze]

Just out of curiosity, which 4k hdr set has the lowest input lag?

Samsung KS8000

Edit: actually i think the sony 800d is about the same, but it's not as nice of a set for HDR, it is way cheaper though.

 

[Madness]

Just out of curiosity, which 4k hdr set has the lowest input lag?

Out of the two televisions most mentioned here, for tv gaming it is the ks8000 which is 21 to 22 ms while X800d is 33 ms, for pc hdr and 4k gaming the x800d is lower than the ks8000 which goes upto 38 ms while X800D stays at 33ms.

Though Sony has the firmware ability to really drop input lag levels. They have halved the input lag of the previous models with recent updates, so they may reduce the input lag of the x800d later on.

 

[Gitaroo]

Samsung KS8000

Edit: actually i think the sony 800d is about the same, but it's not as nice of a set for HDR, it is way cheaper though.

No is does not, x800D is over 30ms.

 

[MazeHaze]

No I am not confused. Response time /=input lag. I never said those two are linked in anyway. I said people have different tolerance for response time AND input lag.

Ah ok. In directly comparing the motion handling of the ks8000 and sony 850d in my own home with proper settings, any negligible difference the 850d has is severely outweighed by what it lacks in picture quality. And the samsung looks great I've had no issues with it. Sadly cant say the same about the 850d, I wanted to like it and returning it was a hassle.

 

[MazeHaze]

Out of the two televisions most mentioned here, for tv gaming it is the ks8000 which is 21 to 22 ms while X800d is 33 ms, for pc hdr and 4k gaming the x800d is lower than the ks8000 which goes upto 38 ms while X800D stays at 33ms.

Though Sony has the firmware ability to really drop input lag levels. They have halved the input lag of the previous models with recent updates, so they may reduce the input lag of the x800d later on.

This isn't true. The ks8000 can absolutely do 4k hdr at 21ms, just not at 444 chroma, and if you're 5 feet away 444 chroma doesnt really matter.

Also I don't think ps4 pro outputs 444 anyway, its just for text when working on pc.

 

[huh1678]

Remember to add your state tax to these. 65" was $1369 after 7%

I did, my state has 8.875% tax discover has 10% CB but i got a new card with $200 statement credit. If only i could combine these two, i would be forever greatful but i can't and all other cashback sites excludes 2016 models. Even 5% CB would be nice but nope, there is no gaming gods lol

 

[gkeller16]

Remember the thread is about 4k tv for 4k and HDR gaming with price a factor. The best options are the X800D and the KS8000. Other televisions are solid and may look better but you want low input lag for gaming with decent HDR and 4k quality. For example, the Sony X930D has an amazing picture, I would pick it over a KS8000 if my goal was amazing HDR and 3d and 4k and whatnot, but the price and input lag make it a non contender. 60ms is still playable, but it is high enough that you will notice the difference between 20-30 ms sets. Again, it all depends on what you can afford. No set is perfect, some sets don't have a feature you may want, 3D, 120hz, Android TV etc.

Also for those asking, the 60" version of the KS8000 is different from the 55" and 65". The panel is manufactured differently and people have reported things like poor viewing angles, cloudiness, worse backlighting and color etc. Something to keep in mind.

Hah,I just upgraded from a 60" LG 4k I bought in December ,did my homework I thought, and bought the 60" ks8000 last week . Now I find out it's junk, I give up ...

 

[Haines]

DF actually posted an excellent video about 4K tv shopping I am not sure if this has been posted, but I think wait until CES is the best thing to do. I kind of regreted jumping in early.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXhxv6j3LcE

I can't watch the video but I don't see what there's too regret unless you spent a lot.

Anything new that comes out will be cutting edge and cost an arm and a leg.

I found a way to get the 55 ks8000 for 1600 Can. And there's no way anything new will be that much better for same price

 

[MazeHaze]

Hah,I just upgraded from a 60" LG 4k I bought in December ,did my homework I thought, and bought the 60" ks8000 last week . Now I find out it's junk, I give up ...

It's not junk. Does it look good to you? All sizes of samsung have different panel variants, some actually prefer the outsourced aa02 and aa02 panel over the Samsung FA01 panel due to less light bleed in the corners, though the viewing angle supposedly is slightly smaller. In reality these panel differences are really minor and are something you won't really notice unless you study the tv from every angle while you watch it

 

[gkeller16]

It's not junk. Does it look good to you? All sizes of samsung have different panel variants, some actually prefer the outsourced aa02 and aa02 panel over the Samsung FA01 panel due to less light bleed in the corners, though the viewing angle supposedly is slightly smaller. In reality these panel differences are really minor and are something you won't really notice unless you study the tv from every angle while you watch it

The picture looked great to me and the viewing angle isn't a issue,with the location and seating in this room it can only be viewed straight on. Hearing there are color issues is what is troubling.

 

[Madness]

This isn't true. The ks8000 can absolutely do 4k hdr at 21ms, just not at 444 chroma, and if you're 5 feet away 444 chroma doesnt really matter.

Also I don't think ps4 pro outputs 444 anyway, its just for text when working on pc.

Whether it doesn't really matter is irrelevant. I am just stating the numbers. Most PC users would prefer if they are buying a television with hdr as a monitor to use it at 4k+HDR 4:4:4 which gives them the best image. The KS8000 is 38 ms roughly with that.

Hah,I just upgraded from a 60" LG 4k I bought in December ,did my homework I thought, and bought the 60" ks8000 last week . Now I find out it's junk, I give up ...

It isn't junk. Just that this size has some issues compared to the 55" and 65" panels. Most have stated it is due to different manufacture. Some cloudiness and backlight issues, issues with color reproduction and blacks possibly. It is anecdotal so take with a grain of salt. But I have read it enough that it warranted mentioning.