mainly for the HDR wars, even though HDR10 will most likely be the winner but there are talks that the next mediatek soc will support DV HDR, HDR10 + dynamic metadata and HLG. So presumably the if sony use that SoC next year the next tv will support all of those also. There is always newer stuffs coming out but changes can be huge or just incremental. Supporting all HDR formats is quite big for me, on top of that, the x850D replacement for next year will probably be much brighter which is good for HDR.
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mainly for the HDR wars, even though HDR10 will most likely be the winner but there are talks that the next mediatek soc will support DV HDR, HDR10 + dynamic metadata and HLG. So presumably the if sony use that SoC next year the next tv will support all of those also. There is always newer stuffs coming out but changes can be huge or just incremental. Supporting all HDR formats is quite big for me, on top of that, the x850D replacement for next year will probably be much brighter which is good for HDR.
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Dr.Horrible
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Anyone have input on their personal experience with seating distance and 4k?
Blackpanther25
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Does any one know why the LG OLED 4k TV are reducing in price all of a sudden?
Mercador
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8k at CES ?
AFAIK they did the same last year in November for 2015 models
Edit:
https://www.cnet.com/news/oled-tv-from-lg-drops-to-lowest-price-of-the-year/
CyberChulo
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I sit about 9ft from a 75"4k. I can also sit 5ft away without it being too big where I have to shift my eyes to see end to end. The great thing about 4k is that you can move in even closer and not see the pixels that make up the screen.
Blackpanther25
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Thank you. I'll be picking one up this weekend then.
I sit 6' from a 55" panel. Definitely think it's worth it to move the couch a little closer if you can.
Just got the 55E6 last Saturday. While gaming, a small loading icon in a completely BLACK screen is an amazing sight to behold. Now imagine regular gaming and movies...
Right, but you said the input lag at 4k with hdr was 38ms, which is untrue. The 38ms comes from PC mode, that's the input lag of pc mode. You can totally set your pc to game mode and play 4k 60hz HDR at 20 ms, it just seems to default the signal to 422 chroma, which is a non issue for ps4 pro.
So here's my dilemma.
I have a Sony KDL50W828 (one of the best 1080p displays around with very low inputlag). Should I try and sell it and buy a Samsung KU6000 or KU6400 (KU6300 en KU7000 in the US)? I have 2 kids and some other stuff to attend to every week, so If I play 10 hours a week, it's a lot. So I don't want to spend more than like 700,- (minus the money I could get for the Sony).
I know the Samsungs are 50 Hz, and they don't go all out on the HDR thing like the KS8000, but would this be worth the upgrade, or do you guys recommend just staying with the Sony for 1 or 2 years and wait till the better HDR TV's come out and the technique get's cheaper?
I have a Sony KDL50W828 (one of the best 1080p displays around with very low inputlag). Should I try and sell it and buy a Samsung KU6000 or KU6400 (KU6300 en KU7000 in the US)? I have 2 kids and some other stuff to attend to every week, so If I play 10 hours a week, it's a lot. So I don't want to spend more than like 700,- (minus the money I could get for the Sony).
I know the Samsungs are 50 Hz, and they don't go all out on the HDR thing like the KS8000, but would this be worth the upgrade, or do you guys recommend just staying with the Sony for 1 or 2 years and wait till the better HDR TV's come out and the technique get's cheaper?
I would say wait, but you also might just want to see the difference yourself.
You should just check out those TVs in a shop and see, if the difference is worth it or if you should wait.
And you might as well wait until the Pro is out and you can see it in person in a shop.
Spending that amount of money should always mean that you'll check out those TVs yourself.
It's just far better then reading about it on the internet.
Everyone feels different about those things.
Yeah I know, but most shops don't do most TV's right (fabric settings, bad lighting etc.). I am not really worried about inputlag, but I am worried about contrast and the 50Hz thing. My game room is as dark as can be, so I am very aware about black levels. Returned an LG a few years back because the contrast was so bad, the black levels, my room got lit up with backlight.
Wait if you can. 10 hours a week on my TV wouldn't justify the early adopter price personally. If that's your budget in the next 1 or 2 years, I would wait even though I did the same thing with the Sony W600B and got the Sony X800D in the U.S... Although, speaking of which, you might want to look at the UK version of the X800D - the XD80 - if that's your budget. Seems to be the price on Amazon.uk.
AVS HD 709 for regular BD and DVD
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/948496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html
If you're an advanced user, then the R.Masciola's HDR-10 UHD Test Patterns for UHD (not free right now).
http://rmadvancedcaldisc.com/rm-uhdhdr-10.html
Would I be able to ship this to Canada? If so, can some PLEASE share a code? I'm really getting the itch to upgrade for the Pro...
I had to ship to states holding address and go pick up to bring across border
edit: Thanks for the reply!
1600 all in is an incredible price in Canada. Mind sharing how you managed that?
Won't know til you see. I would not worry. I've seen people claim the other panels are better as well.
Usually CES new technologies and new flagships are introduced. You will see new sets come around late March to early August etc. So still quite a ways away.
Domcorleone
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Yea I was close to pulling the trigger on the 60", but I'm gonna hold off until i do some more research on the panel difference. Otherwise I'll stick to 55.
AngelOFDeath
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If anyone in this thread or reading this thread has or had the 60" KS8000, can you please post your comments on it.
For current owners, is it possible to take a picture of the bezel/framing of the TV, I hear it is different from the 55/65 models and just wanted to know how different.
If you were a previous owner and switched to 55/65, how much difference of a panel did you notice, is it something that is completely worth the change.
Cost/Size/Panel difference factor has been giving me a headache for the last 2 weeks.
For current owners, is it possible to take a picture of the bezel/framing of the TV, I hear it is different from the 55/65 models and just wanted to know how different.
If you were a previous owner and switched to 55/65, how much difference of a panel did you notice, is it something that is completely worth the change.
Cost/Size/Panel difference factor has been giving me a headache for the last 2 weeks.
I scoured the internet and didn't see any red flags about the 60" panel. I'm not sure where anyone got their info from that it is actually worse. It IS different though. Those differences will probably be minor and unless you have a 55" lined up alongside the 60" you won't even know.
Hard to see but here's a pic of the 60" from a reddit post. Notice the black bezel instead of the silver one.
This is why I'm voting Trump. Keep TVs in our courntry!!!!!
shinobi602
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I've seen the 55", 60" and 65" all next to each other in store before and I couldn't really see any difference. Haven't seen any complaints at all online either.
AngelOFDeath
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I've seen on AVS that the 60" panel is different (made by Sharp), and only the 60" has been known to have the Sharp panel, some complaints have ranging stating it just doesn't look the same on the other sizes. While the 55 and 65" also has 2 different panels, like 1 Sammy the other I forget, the picture quality is still greater than that of the Sharp panel.
Yeah, I mean I get into this debate with people all the time. Unless there is horrible a straight up defect like excessive bleeding or clouding, which isn't a common occurance going by customer reviews across various websites (specifically filtering on 60" owners), I guess I don't care if my panel is slightly inferior to the 55" to 65". I'm not going to have them sitting there to compare. But that's just my opinion. I'm going from 1080p to 4k HDR so I'll be blown away regardless.
It's totally fair to him and haw over something you are spending your money on and if you want a sure bet you should probably go 55" or 65". I'm just comfortable giving the 60" a ride.
For every complaint I've seen, I've seen one of these:
It's likely just bad panels. Not that it is a bad panel, but that people are getting bad panels. Which you get with the 55" and 65" as well.
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They all have black bezels when viewed from the front. The bottom is chrome and the sides have kind of an aluminum look.
At 4k, 50hz and 100 hz are pretty much non factors, 4k 50 hz is 4k 60hz, which is what all content and games consoles will output. You will not see any motion blur, judder like you would at 1080p. So size and other features matter more.
Just to help some people out.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/panel-lottery-samsung?uxtv=e0df
This compares a 50, 55, and 60. Basically the 60 actually performed better than the 55 in some instances and worse in others. It's all negligible to them. 60 had some more clouding, dimmer picture, and less uniformity but that has less to do with the panel and more to do with the fact that it's a 60" cut and the back lighting has to be different, etc.
To be fair these aren't the KS8000 and they may use different panels, although the vendor for the KS8000 and panel they used in their study is the same AU Optronics.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/panel-lottery-samsung?uxtv=e0df
This compares a 50, 55, and 60. Basically the 60 actually performed better than the 55 in some instances and worse in others. It's all negligible to them. 60 had some more clouding, dimmer picture, and less uniformity but that has less to do with the panel and more to do with the fact that it's a 60" cut and the back lighting has to be different, etc.
To be fair these aren't the KS8000 and they may use different panels, although the vendor for the KS8000 and panel they used in their study is the same AU Optronics.
AngelOFDeath
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Don't get me wrong, I am coming from the same route. Just a 3 year old 1080p TV, no doubt I will be mind blown. I guess I took some complaints too far because my initial eye was on the 60" the entire way. It fits perfectly, then I go and get thrown into this fear because of some complaints. It shouldn't affect me, but would want something near perfect.... I'll figure it out
My only goal is to try and give my opinion or information I know. Not to make you feel bad about purchases or to sway you to anything else. Just that I read there were more issues with the 60" version as the panel was manufactured differently, possibly worse. I have no dog in this race, whether you buy 55" or 60" or 65", but just to make you aware there could be some issues. I know how hard it is to buy something so expensive and you always want to make sure you have something perfect or near perfect.
RoninChaos
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Has anyone had any bad experiences with samsung and returns?
No, totally appreciated. I'm glad we have people watching out for us. I have no dog in the race really either since my order isn't even close to shipping, it'd take me 5 minutes to switch and would save me $100 to drop to a 55".
It was more of just their general theme that, "yeah panels are different but nothing says that Samsung panels are actually the best." It's a theme you can probably extrapolate to most of their lines. Some will be better and some will be worse but they will all be within some tolerance and will all be within UHD standards. Which one do you have btw?
Rbk_3
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That is a low end 2015 Samsung and you cannot apply the differences they found there to the KS8000 line. Interesting though that the AOU panel was the best of the 3 in pretty much every catagory. I am very happy with mine.
Rbk_3
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Hopefully, if Vizio can do it so well for a reasonable price, Samsung and Sony should be able to.
Carefully research which TV to buy. Buy it. Set it up. If you're happy with how it looks - KEEP AWAY FROM TV RECOMMENDATION THREADS - that way madness lies
Rbk_3
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Especially the AVS owners thread for your particular TV. It can make you crazy.
Futurevoid
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I also have the AOU panel on my KS8000 and am very happy with it. I can't detect any level of light bleed at all around the edges of the set. Whereas I have seen some of the FA01 panels with some really bad light bleed at the bottom of the set.:/
Rbk_3
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Same, I had an 8500 with an FA01 panel before the 8000 and it was a disaster. Crazy light bleed. I truly believe the AA02 is the panel you want. I also wouldn't be surprised if it has a little better motion too, like the one in the rtings article. I never notice the ghosting people in the AVS thread talk about. I wish someone would review one so we know the numbers.
edit- Here was my 8500 with FA01 Samsung Panel.
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