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[Matt Attack]

LoC's post doesn't really bug me that much either, certainly not enough to make me any more suspicious of him over anybody else. I'm also unconvinced by Droplet's argument. It may not necessarily be incorrect, but I don't think it's strong enough on its own to actually influence behavior from either the tourists or cultists.

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Also, blarg pls you're killing me.

 

[Lord of Castamere]

That's a hasty, hasty move there, but I guess it's right to vote for the inactives first, especially to draw them out on the 1st day!

Why are you trying to tell us this time, you madman?

 

[ultron87]

Please note that Blarg is actually the doppelganger and his current avatar is Matt Attack's

It he's going to be doing intentionally confusing shit like this we should just get rid of him.

Vote: Blargonaut

 

[Flame_AC]

I do think it's a bit.... un-something to purposefully change one's avatar to that of another user, it's only purpose is to confuse on a meta-level, something the Tourists do not need on any day, especially not Day 1. My vote is still withheld until more posters arrive though.

 

[Tucah]

I have to fully read over what's been going on in here since day one, but I did a brief skim. For the record, I am for a day one lynch, town needs to take action quickly and attempt a strike early if possibly. However, I see that I was quickly brought up, seemingly because of RNG, and am NOT for that day one lynch being me, obviously.

C'mon guys, good guy here, and I was killed at night one on the AC mafia, give me a break .

We have plenty of time, no need to get hasty with votes, let's see where posting takes us.

(If we're talking about activity pre-day one, I was super busy over the weekend but I am fully committed to posting frequently now that the game has started).

 

[Sorian]

It he's going to be doing intentionally confusing shit like this we should just get rid of him.

Vote: Blargonaut

If he hasn't contributed in a meaningful way by the end of the first day phase then I am on board with this but it's my understanding Blarg is an extremely crazy wild card (my first game so idk the stories) and the crazies always get all the luck. I don't want to destroy a powerful town role because Blarg is working his weird mind games. I'm taking a wait and see with him and trying to keep everyone posted when I notice his avatar change.

 

[Fireblend]

It he's going to be doing intentionally confusing shit like this we should just get rid of him.

Vote: Blargonaut

I say we save him for a rainy day. I'd much rather get rid of the inactives first, as exasperating as his behavior may be, because at the very least his shenanigans create discussion

 

[Flame_AC]

I say we save him for a rainy day. I'd much rather get rid of the inactives first, as exasperating as his behavior may be, because at the very least his shenanigans create discussion

I'm not against saving him for another day when we have no good options, but just creating discussion is meaningless if it yields no results or is distracting to the town.

 

[Sorian]

I say we save him for a rainy day. I'd much rather get rid of the inactives first, as exasperating as his behavior may be, because at the very least his shenanigans create discussion

An important thing I read in one of the other threads and, correct me if I am wrong here because I am new, if someone gets replaced for inactivity, their role power (or lack thereof) and team just transfer from the original to the replacement right? So it's not always the best to kill someone who is just straight inactive because then we are destroying a role that will just be transferred to another player anyway. Now the people who stay just active enough to never be replaced? That's a real target to hit if nothing else is catching our eye because I can't think of a lot of reason to do that unless you are up to some trouble.

 

[nin1000]

I'm not against saving him for another day when we have no good options, but just creating discussion is meaningless if it yields no results or is distracting to the town.

most of the time it results in talking which is a lot better than nothing

 

[Blargonaut]

 

[Sorian]

Now don't put on another one or I'll have to hit you with the newspaper again.

 

[RetroMG]

Hey Blarg, you're vanilla Mabel, not bloody Mabel.

 

[Rats Off To Ya]

Blarg is worth keeping around. Last game he had a powerful role and there was a method to his madness. His gambit didn't work out the way he'd hoped, but if it had we'd all be calling him a genius.

If he actually does something scummy I'll be right there on the bandwagon with the rest of you. But I am categorically against a sentence for the crime of Blarg Being Blarg.

 

[RetroMG]

Blarg is worth keeping around. Last game he had a powerful role and there was a method to his madness. His gambit didn't work out the way he'd hoped, but if it had we'd all be calling him a genius.

If he actually does something scummy I'll be right there on the bandwagon with the rest of you. But I am categorically against a sentence for the crime of Blarg Being Blarg.

I agree with all of this.

 

[Matt Attack]

Thanks for freeing my avatar.

I'm not exactly opposed to a Blarg vote if his behavior totally loses us, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Avatar switching, etc, obviously puts a target on your back and I'd like to think he's got a reason for it (beyond entertaining all of the spectators who get to watch our collective descent into madness).

An important thing I read in one of the other threads and, correct me if I am wrong here because I am new, if someone gets replaced for inactivity, their role power (or lack thereof) and team just transfer from the original to the replacement right? So it's not always the best to kill someone who is just straight inactive because then we are destroying a role that will just be transferred to another player anyway. Now the people who stay just active enough to never be replaced? That's a real target to hit if nothing else is catching our eye because I can't think of a lot of reason to do that unless you are up to some trouble.

100% agreed.

On a related note, one thing that came up a lot in Star Wars Mafia was this idea that people who go inactive were often assumed to be ordinary roles, because they got bored of not having a power beyond voting. I don't like assumptions like that. Even though it did turn out to be true in the end in our case, it assumes a lot- there are so many reasons why a player could go inactive, regardless of role. So, in the event that somebody does go inactive (hopefully this won't occur), I hope we won't place too much stock into the idea that their replacement couldn't have a power role/be scum.

 

[Neuromancer]

I don't have enough information to want to lynch anyone, so

VOTE: No Lynch

While I absolutely agree that you really, really shouldn't hint towards your role (doing so serves to help the mafia/cultists so that they know who to kill), don't let yourself get lynched without a fight, because a dead power role isn't any good for us either.

Anyways, to offer an alternate possibility from Tucah, also via RNG:

VOTE: Neuromancer

WTF

 

[Blargonaut]

Hey Blarg, you're vanilla Mabel, not bloody Mabel.

I'd have to use my night-kill to complete that ensemble again

 

[Never Forever]

My reasoning for voting the way I did is pretty clear. I want pressure applied to everyone. The more discussion we have, the smoother this all goes. The problem is one vote means nothing, real pressure relys on threat. People need to learn how to dodge, and redirect, without folding. Today someone needs to be lynched. I firmly believe this, regardless of mishaps last game. I hope it's a cultist. I hope that we find the information we need soon, but until we do, Tucah is as good a vote as any. You can rest assured that if Tucah isn't a Cultist we can reevaluate this tomorrow, and have no intention of holding this vote if necessary. Hopefully, Tucah is convincing enough to Shake It Off.

Thanks. I just like having things laid out in painstaking detail, and it's nice to understand peoples' motivations. May as well make someone who's already around talk, as opposed to waiting the hours out for an inactive.

UNVOTE: Lord of Castamere

 

[Matt Attack]

I don't have enough information to want to lynch anyone, so

VOTE: No Lynch



WTF

It was a random vote, to help get things started, and as such it's exceedingly unlikely that the vote will stick. Once I'm more sure about somebody else, or at least feel good about you being tourist, I'll unvote you. I promise you that it's nothing personal, nor have you given me cause to believe you're scum at this point.

Do you think it's likely that you're going to want to keep your vote as No Lynch, or do you also agree that it's better to vote somebody out on the first day (and are waiting for the right suspect to pop up)?

 

[Flame_AC]

Neuromancer, I don't think you had any reason to worry about Matt Attack's vote, because, as he said, it was completely random and had no bearing on you or anyone else. Just to see what happens.

VOTE: Neuromancer

My vote likely won't stick, though I wonder, and maybe you could help me understand, why there's any need for you to be defensive?

 

[Neuromancer]

It was a random vote, to help get things started, and as such it's exceedingly unlikely that the vote will stick. Once I'm more sure about somebody else, or at least feel good about you being tourist, I'll unvote you. I promise you that it's nothing personal, nor have you given me cause to believe you're scum at this point.

Do you think it's likely that you're going to want to keep your vote as No Lynch, or do you also agree that it's better to vote somebody out on the first day (and are waiting for the right suspect to pop up)?

I don't see how I can vote to lynch anyone at this point. If we lynch someone they're dead forever and I can't do that on a hunch, this early in the adventure. That said, I am starting to gather some suspicions...

Neuromancer, I don't think you had any reason to worry about Matt Attack's vote, because, as he said, it was completely random and had no bearing on you or anyone else. Just to see what happens.

VOTE: Neuromancer

My vote likely won't stick, though I wonder, and maybe you could help me understand, why there's any need for you to be defensive?

I don't want to be lynched! I don't think we should be lynching anyone on day one. It doesn't make any sense.

 

[Blargonaut]

I need a weapon.

 

[Flame_AC]

I don't see how I can vote to lynch anyone at this point. If we lynch someone they're dead forever and I can't do that on a hunch, this early in the adventure. That said, I am starting to gather some suspicions...


I don't want to be lynched! I don't think we should be lynching anyone on day one. It doesn't make any sense.

If we don't lynch anyone, then there's no point in having any conversations today as everyone here will feel safe. People who feel safe won't post anything that could be useful or relevant later and will instead just post meaningless conversation until Night rolls around. Once that happens, we likely lose a Tourist, barring some miracle, and then we're down a player and on Day 2 people will still have no suspicions or hunches to work on. A Day 1 lynch is a necessary evil, if only to procure information that can later be used to help us.

 

[Sorian]

I don't see how I can vote to lynch anyone at this point. If we lynch someone they're dead forever and I can't do that on a hunch, this early in the adventure. That said, I am starting to gather some suspicions...


I don't want to be lynched! I don't think we should be lynching anyone on day one. It doesn't make any sense.

It gets you to talk. You are currently in the hot seat and just saying that you don't want to be lynched or that it doesn't make sense for day one doesn't help to get that heat off of you. You mention you've gathered some suspicions. This is the time to start talking through those suspicions, if you wait too long then bandwagon voting could come your way based on your empty defense.

 

[Neuromancer]

If we don't lynch anyone, then there's no point in having any conversations today as everyone here will feel safe. People who feel safe won't post anything that could be useful or relevant later and will instead just post meaningless conversation until Night rolls around. Once that happens, we likely lose a Tourist, barring some miracle, and then we're down a player and on Day 2 people will still have no suspicions or hunches to work on. A Day 1 lynch is a necessary evil, if only to procure information that can later be used to help us.

It gets you to talk. You are currently in the hot seat and just saying that you don't want to be lynched or that it doesn't make sense for day one doesn't help to get that heat off of you. You mention you've gathered some suspicions. This is the time to start talking through those suspicions, if you wait too long then bandwagon voting could come your way based on your empty defense.

Guilty until proven innocent huh. I don't like it and I'm not going to play your game. I don't see how us, in all likelihood, killing a potentially innocent tourist today is any better than cultists deliberately killing a tourist tonight. I don't think it's likely any of the cultists are going to slip up and say anything today, in fact, I imagine they're quietly enjoying this as you're doing their work for them. My vote stands.

 

[Rats Off To Ya]

Guilty until proven innocent huh. I don't like it and I'm not going to play your game. I don't see how us, in all likelihood, killing a potentially innocent tourist today is any better than cultists deliberately killing a tourist tonight. I don't think it's likely any of the cultists are going to slip up and say anything today, in fact, I imagine they're quietly enjoying this as you're doing their work for them. My vote stands.

Our job isn't to keep Tourists alive. Our job is to kill Cultists. How do we kill Cultists? By lynching.

 

[Flame_AC]

Guilty until proven innocent huh. I don't like it and I'm not going to play your game. I don't see how us, in all likelihood, killing a potentially innocent tourist today is any better than cultists deliberately killing a tourist tonight. I don't think it's likely any of the cultists are going to slip up and say anything today, in fact, I imagine they're quietly enjoying this as you're doing their work for them. My vote stands.

It's not that we want a Tourist to die, it'd be amazing if we could hit a Cultist, however it's the fact that someone has to. If no one has the possibility of dying, no one is going to post anything tangible that has anything of merit behind it. If that happens, then Day 2 will start, a Tourist will be dead, and you're going to say we can't lynch anyone because we have no leads.

 

[Sorian]

Guilty until proven innocent huh. I don't like it and I'm not going to play your game. I don't see how us, in all likelihood, killing a potentially innocent tourist today is any better than cultists deliberately killing a tourist tonight. I don't think it's likely any of the cultists are going to slip up and say anything today, in fact, I imagine they're quietly enjoying this as you're doing their work for them. My vote stands.

I'm not trying to convince you about whether it's smarter to kill someone day 1 or not, I'm trying to convince you to provide real discussion and not fluff. As such:

VOTE: Neuromancer

That being said, you aren't off the hook yet Tucah. What you provided was a stall for a potentially bigger post later and I will come back your way if I don't see more activity later.

 

[Neuromancer]

What real discussion can there possibly be at this point other than foundless accusations? I don't get you at all. I say lets see how things shake out tonight.

 

[Sorian]

I don't see how I can vote to lynch anyone at this point. If we lynch someone they're dead forever and I can't do that on a hunch, this early in the adventure. That said, I am starting to gather some suspicions...

This is a real talking point. You hinted at something and you shouldn't do that unless you are prepared for people to call you out on it. Talk us through what you've gathered, worst case scenario is nothing comes of it, best case scenario is you say something meaningful which puts someone else on the defensive.

 

[Rats Off To Ya]

What real discussion can there possibly be at this point other than foundless accusations? I don't get you at all. I say lets see how things shake out tonight.

Most accusations are unfounded. Some aren't. Days from now, when we have a clearer picture of the game's structure, we can look back on today's discussion and make some connections. It's true, in all likelihood we end the day by killing one of our own. And then we'll lose another to the Cult at night. But tomorrow we'll have previous discussion, voting history, and possible role information to connect the dots with. Compare that to a No Lynch, where we're down one Tourist with no information because everyone decided to take Day One off.

 

[Matt Attack]

Guilty until proven innocent huh. I don't like it and I'm not going to play your game. I don't see how us, in all likelihood, killing a potentially innocent tourist today is any better than cultists deliberately killing a tourist tonight. I don't think it's likely any of the cultists are going to slip up and say anything today, in fact, I imagine they're quietly enjoying this as you're doing their work for them. My vote stands.

For a lot of players (I'm assuming, at least), voting is the only power available. Wasting that ability on a No Lynch is something I've always felt is irresponsible, because it does nothing to help the town. Actually going after people and debating to try to find a candidate to lynch, even in the face of our informational disadvantage, we should be able to gleam some information (maybe it will be useful now, maybe it will be useful later- regardless, I'm sure it will be useful). If we're lucky, we get a cultist! If we're not, hey, at least we can study voting patterns (remember that, barring any special role shenanigans, the cultists in all likelihood no each other's identities).

Not voting somebody off means tomorrow is, essentially, Day 1 with one less tourist. We shouldn't hold out hope for a power role with a night action to swoop in and save the day, because them revealing themselves might not be in the tourist's best interests- which is why it's so important we do all we can with the traditional voting process. For now, why not start talking about your suspicions?

Our job isn't to keep Tourists alive. Our job is to kill Cultists. How do we kill Cultists? By lynching.

Yup. Also, I believe somebody posted some math for it earlier, but we should especially lynch today because we have an odd number of players.

 

[Matt Attack]

That should say "the cultists know each other's identities".

 

[Flame_AC]

Indeed, one way to ward off suspicion, albeit temporarily, is to cast doubt on someone else and see what happens to them. I don't think I or anyone else can convince you that a No Lynch vote is a vote to give the Cultists a free kill, so that will be up to you to decide.

 

[Neuromancer]

All right I'm coming around on the random lynching idea. Maybe I was taking the flavor part of the game too seriously, and the game part of the game too lightly. Give me some time to think it over.

UNVOTE: No lynch

 

[Lord of Castamere]

What real discussion can there possibly be at this point other than foundless accusations? I don't get you at all. I say lets see how things shake out tonight.

If we no lynch today all we'll have tomorrow is at least 1 dead townie. Correct me if I'm wrong, but 3 games now and not a single one has gotten good info on Day 2. Valid info can be gathered by blindly attacking early. Voting patterns can reveal a lot. Just simmer down and realize that you need 12 votes for majority. You're not at risk yet. Stay active and you'll be fine.

 

[Sorian]

If we no lynch today all we'll have tomorrow is at least 1 dead townie. Correct me if I'm wrong, but 3 games now and not a single one has gotten good info on Day 2. Valid info can be gathered by blindly attacking early. Voting patterns can reveal a lot. Just simmer down and realize that you need 12 votes for majority. You're not at risk yet. Stay active and you'll be fine.

Just as a note so that everyone has their information in check. Currently, a majority vote of 13 votes is what would end the day early. But 12 votes at the time of the day ending is a death sentence.

 

[Flame_AC]

Just as a note so that everyone has their information in check. Currently, a majority vote of 13 votes is what would end the day early. But 12 votes at the time of the day ending is a death sentence.

I would say that anyone who gets above or around 6 or 7 votes is probably soon to be dead as well.

 

[Lord of Castamere]

Just as a note so that everyone has their information in check. Currently, a majority vote of 13 votes is what would end the day early. But 12 votes at the time of the day ending is a death sentence.

Wait no 23 right? So 12+12 = 24. 12 would be majority ? Are we using Karkador math or something?

Karkador your vile math needs to be eliminated.

Vote: Karkador

 

[Sorian]

I would say that anyone who gets above or around 6 or 7 votes is probably soon to be dead as well.

Sure, I was speaking strictly in 100% certainties there. But yes, with this many people, odds are our vote will be split amongst many people so the actual winning vote for this day phase probably will not have the 50% + 1 or a clear majority amongst all participants.

 

[Rats Off To Ya]

Wait no 23 right? So 12+12 = 24. 12 would be majority ? Are we using Karkador math or something?

Karkador your vile math needs to be eliminated.

Vote: Karkador

Cthulhu would be proud of the affront to all reason that is Karkadorian Algebra.

 

[Sorian]

Wait no 23 right? So 12+12 = 24. 12 would be majority ? Are we using Karkador math or something?

Karkador your vile math needs to be eliminated.

Vote: Karkador

lol Yes, we are using Karkador math for this game. I had to pull out a cipher to figure out what this archaic voting system was but we are at 23 now and he has the 50% + 1 thing so 11.5 + 1 = 12.5 then rounding brings us to 13 votes to end the day early. I only mention it because it is unlikely that we will end day 1 early but I urge everyone to make sure these early days go to completion. The more time we spend in day, the more information we can have written to the topic.

 

[Droplet]

Wait no 23 right? So 12+12 = 24. 12 would be majority ? Are we using Karkador math or something?

Karkador your vile math needs to be eliminated.

Vote: Karkador

Man, you really need to start paying attention!

 

[Werewolf Jones]

So are we lynching an inactive person or we going for a vote on who messes with us the most?

 

[ultron87]

All right I'm coming around on the random lynching idea. Maybe I was taking the flavor part of the game too seriously, and the game part of the game too lightly. Give me some time to think it over.

UNVOTE: No lynch

It is also worth noting that killing a tourist today doesn't actually hurt us.

Assuming we never hit a cultists and there is one kill a night, if we kill someone today we will start every subsequent day with an odd number of players, and will lose when the number of cultists passes the number of tourists. So if there are 4 cultists we will lose at the start of Day 9 when there are 7 players left (4 cult, 3 tourist) . At that point 8 players will have been killed by the cultists and 8 will have been killed by the town.

If we No Lynch today we would still lose on Day 9 when it starts with 4 cult and 4 tourists. But at that point we will only have had 7 chances to kill a cult instead of 8.

So as much as it sucks for the tourist we are probably killing this one is kinda "free".

 

[Flame_AC]

So are we lynching an inactive person or we going for a vote on who messes with us the most?

We can't really determine an inactive player until Day 2ish, our best bet is to go after fidgety people or those who are overly defensive.

 

[Fireblend]

So are we lynching an inactive person or we going for a vote on who messes with us the most?

Too early to decide. I doubt any of the votes that have been cast so far will stick by the time everyone has had their chance to post. If we had zero information, I would approve of lynching an inactive player, but a lot can happen between now and sundown.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

karkador algebra sux

 

[Rats Off To Ya]

karkador algebra sux

Get back to class.