remember_spinal
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Because not very many companies sell 40 million copies of a single player game anymore, cyberpunk 2077 sold 13m the first week off preorders alone.
Calling it now. Someone will buy out CDPR.
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Because not very many companies sell 40 million copies of a single player game anymore, cyberpunk 2077 sold 13m the first week off preorders alone.
Guilty_AI
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It'd be kind weird though. What would Sony even want from them? Bungie had experience in GAAS, which they wanted to dip in, so it made sense.
But CDP only has 2 IPs and a mildly successful store. Sony has no shortage of big IPs and if they wanted an estabilished store in the PC market, partnering with Epic would make more sense.
Really? I remember you saying you weren't gonna play it.
So real question: What penis size did you pick?
Yoboman
Member
And how many now have been refunded. Will they be able to replicate that?
remember_spinal
Banned
Not many, cyberpunk even after refunds was still at 13.5 million copies sold. The controversy hurt the legs but it still managed to sell over 20m in under two years
https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/22/22195728/cyberpunk-2077-sales-copies-sold-launch-refunds
And yeah, Witcher 4 will be equally huge. If Bethesda launching the disaster known as Fallout 76 didn't permanently hurt its reputation neither will Cyberpunk which has already had a big redemption arc.
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Danjin44
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0neAnd0nly
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It's Disgusting.
All of it.
Even Layden.
Nothing I like in what you wrote, but yes I agree - it will be true.
HiFiVideogameMusic
Banned
Elon Musk will buy it.
Guilty_AI
Member
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
yea...that simply isn't true though.
Its literally the same level and its up to you to even prove something happened in those past titles, that doesn't happen in the new ones in regards to gore
You are still ripping out throats, smashing heads with blood and gore, splitting people in half etc. Nothing is happening in those past titles that wasn't happening in 2018 lol All you are saying is some of the enemies have elemental stuff like lava or ice, but why have Ogres with blood? Wolves? Clearly blood exist in the game as shown above... So this whole "not even close" you need to prove that man lol There is literally nothing in God Of War 2018 to suggest this man become less violent lol
The game is still rated M, still has blood, still has heads coming off, being smashed, bodies ripped in half..I don't know what to tell you, I don't even know what the am would be to claim something is toned down as the rating didn't change and its not like something can't be done in the title or something, he is doing pretty much classic Kratoes stuff, so they'll be 100% fine with the violence portion as I don't see any policy at Sony saying no to that or something lol
A.Romero
Member
A hostile takeover is possible because more than 60% of their shares are free float. However, I don't think selling would be a sound decision.
I don't see why people would sell unless they believe the company has nowhere to go but down which is not the case. If people bought at 35 they would be losing a lot by selling at 5 for no reason.
That said, I don't see CDPR as an attractive buy. They have Witcher, Cyberpunk and GoG. The later I don't think it's that good of a business. That's not worth what shareholders would ask to sell.
I don't see why people would sell unless they believe the company has nowhere to go but down which is not the case. If people bought at 35 they would be losing a lot by selling at 5 for no reason.
That said, I don't see CDPR as an attractive buy. They have Witcher, Cyberpunk and GoG. The later I don't think it's that good of a business. That's not worth what shareholders would ask to sell.
Aenima
Member
Thats the price of CD Projekt, that owns CDPR and GOG. CDPR, the dev studio alone, is not in the market. If CDP wanted to sell the studio it would cost much less than Bungie.Bungie cost Sony ~$2.4B + $1.2B retention fee.
CDPR is at about $2.4B + probably ~50% markup ($1.2B)
So probably around the same.
Guilty_AI
Member
He probably meant CD Projekt. But it should be mentioned chances of them selling Red alone are basically null, unless management got hijacked by a Brain cybervirus developed by Cerny himself.
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Denton
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oh look, neogaf is namedropped
CD Projekt RED deny takeover attempt, are defending against “hypothetical scenarios”
CD Projekt RED have commented on recent rumours about a hostile takeover attempt, denying that such an attempt is happening, and explaining the behaviour which gave rise to the rumours.CDPR's latest game, The Witcher 3, is one of our best RPGs on PC. What else makes the list?
www.pcgamesn.com
FF:Enhanced_Reality
Member
How anyone thinks that it would be Sony is beyond me. Look at their relationship with Microsoft. It just wouldn't happen. They sell more on PlayStation than Xbox but that relationship can't be bought.
bitbydeath
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CD Projekt Red president says developer will âremain independentâ
President Adam KiciÅski said that the studio is also not looking for a "strategic investor".www.nme.com
CD Projekt Red president says developer will "remain independent"
The developer's shares are also protected from a hostile takeover
Extremely unlikely that after 27 years of independence, they would suddenly want to answer to someone else.
As for money, CDP has some 300 million USD in the bank and no debt. They don't need any outside investment.
oh look, neogaf is namedropped
CD Projekt RED deny takeover attempt, are defending against “hypothetical scenarios”
CD Projekt RED have commented on recent rumours about a hostile takeover attempt, denying that such an attempt is happening, and explaining the behaviour which gave rise to the rumours.CDPR's latest game, The Witcher 3, is one of our best RPGs on PC. What else makes the list?
Both articles are old, the latter is from 2016.
FalsettoVibe
Member
Yeah...I meant CD Projekt.
I would have thought the same thing for Bungie though.....
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Nautilus
Banned
The Witcher 3 still sells millions each year despite being 8 years old. For all the bad press Cyberpunk had at the launch(and the first year) it sold a shitton of copies, and the sales are picking up again. I believe its already at 20 million? And they have the smaller games/backlog that also helps.
Don't know if they are swimming in money, but until someone brings me actual proof that CD Project Red is in financial trouble, ACTUAL financial problems, all this talk about they needing funding, considering that Cyberpunk is one of the most beatiful and well animated games out there, all this talk about needing a sugar daddy is just bs at the end of they day.
We don't need more consolidation, especially of companies that are not in financial trouble.
remember_spinal
Banned
What companies did you think were in financial trouble before being bought in the last few years? I couldn't see any obvious signs of any acquisition and the reason given is always about expansion efforts, even EA is talking about mergers in order to expand.
FalsettoVibe
Member
ABK sure isn't in any financial trouble....lol
remember_spinal
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Yeah, aside from the kotick scandals and all the lawsuits that temporarily lowered their evaluation they were fine. Theres no way they would have sold if not given an offer first.
In fact I'd say most companies get bought when they are on an upwards trajectory. Right now CDPR is cheap, they won't be cheap if they put out another 30m witcher game
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Saudi Arabia to invest $37 billion in gaming
The kingdom has "earmarked" $13 billion to buy a "leading" publisher.
The plot thickens.
The Witcher 3: Halal Hunt
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remember_spinal
Banned
CDPR def aren't worth 13 billion lol
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Saudi Arabia to invest $37 billion in gaming
The kingdom has "earmarked" $13 billion to buy a "leading" publisher.www.axios.com
The plot thickens
Watch us find out that whole 6 game announcment was to try to get a buyout from Saudi Arabia or Tencent or something lol
lostinblue
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I could see Rockstar buying them.
If they are in financial trouble why would they be creating a new studio in the US? I agree with you.
remember_spinal
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I don't think that means anything.
https://www.videogameschronicle.com...-studio-firesprite-has-acquired-fabrik-games/
Could simply be to increase their evaluation
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Rhazer Fusion
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I don't see Sony buying CDPR. They seem kind of…..what's the word? Frugal, less aggressive or very particular when it comes to acquisitions. I could maybe see a company like Microsoft or even Tencent acquiring them if they ever go up for sale.
Nautilus
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But those were companies that wanted to sell, even if they werent in financial crisis.
Project Red is neither willing to sell, nor with financial problems, hence why I think this discussion is only platonic, and not realistic.
Nautilus
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Exactly.
remember_spinal
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Theres no possible way to know either of those things unless you're managing their books.
thismeinteil
Member
How are they supposed to buy them? It's not Wednesday.
Nautilus
Banned
The same can be said about their supposed lack of money.
We work with the available information that we have, not with guesses and what ifs. And the current information that we have is that Project Red is financially healthy, as they are opening new studios, and any talks of an aquisition are just unfounded wishes. For now at least.
bluecowboys
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CDPR is a decent investment, but the smart move is wildcard. The studio behind ARK Survival evolved. That is a huge franchise with a lot of potential if they get the righ backing.
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They're not doing acquisitions. They are expanding. And it seems like a major expansion plus they are financing third party development of their IPs.
Edit: also didn't the acquisition by firesprite occur after Sony bought them or did I read that incorrectly?
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remember_spinal
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It did happen after…but CDPR did buy a studio last year
https://www.ign.com/articles/cd-projekt-red-acquisition-buys-molasses-flood
JoeyWestSide
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I could see an Asian publisher buying them. Maybe Square Enix because they sold their western studios and this might be a little closer to home. With the success of the anime, I could see many Asian publishers eyeballing cdpr. Not necessarily because of that, but because of the options they have. The potential.
EDMIX
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Doubtful, they just sold a studio and I doubt they want to then buy an even more expensive headache.
Thats the most unlikely one, if they do buy em, I owe you a brand new next gen game wit all dat next gen tax lol
Pasta la Vista
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It will be Ubisoft, which will be bought by Sony, which will be bought by Tencent
Mibu no ookami
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"Only" 2 IP is really underselling it by a lot, 2 IP that are both massive.
First, you can remake Witcher 1 and 2 at this point, especially on the console. and eventually maybe even Witcher 3. So Witcher 1-3 + 4. That's probably 60-80 million copies. You're looking at billions in revenue here alone.
Then you have Cyberpunk, which has only scratched the surface. You can ultimately expand this universe to the point where it is just as popular if not more so than Grand Theft Auto. When you look at the property rights, you have to envision possible live action tv series and movies. Just comes down to who owns what rights.
Converting GOG into PSN on PC and then integrating them together will fast-forward their PC plans by years.
They're a European company and PlayStation is a much larger brand in Europe than Microsoft and Sony already has established studios across Europe. They don't just sell more on PlayStation than Xbox, they sell significantly more on PlayStation than Xbox.
All this being said, whether they're a good studio at the moment is very questionable. They've seen a mass exodus of talent which is why they've shifted gears to Unreal despite the cost.
I think that they'd naturally do well as a Sony internal studio. Would help both parties substantially.
remember_spinal
Banned
Yeah, its like saying rockstar only makes red dead redemption and grand theft auto
ByWatterson
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They're the next big publisher.
Heisenberg007
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
This.
Why would they announce 10-15 years of games in advance? And that on an investor's call? Makes no sense, unless they wanted to increase their stocks and valuation, which means they are already in acquisition talks.
CDPR is Polish and poles fundamentally know they can only rely on themselves and no others (it's a culture thing from being backstabbed so many times by neighbouring powers).
So the notion of CDPR selling out goes against their own fundamental desire to build something of their own and secure their independence. CDPR is the crown jewel of Polish games industry, selling would be a blow to national pride.
CDPR getting bought out is very unlikely, they would have to be truly desperate, the lights going out, everyone fired with no pay check to be willing to sell.
So the notion of CDPR selling out goes against their own fundamental desire to build something of their own and secure their independence. CDPR is the crown jewel of Polish games industry, selling would be a blow to national pride.
CDPR getting bought out is very unlikely, they would have to be truly desperate, the lights going out, everyone fired with no pay check to be willing to sell.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Buy them, fire the entire team in Poland, develop the IP in Cananda/America fresh start.
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Tiago Rodrigues
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Imagine thinking CDPR as an acquisition is on the same level as Activision Blizzard, lol.