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[909er]

will Zelda will outsell Halo2 ? regardless, it will push Gamecube over the top, AT LEAST WORLDWIDE, if not in the U.S. also.

I just don't get this Zelda faith. I've already acknowleged that I think GC will probably outsell the Xbox WW. But in the US, this one game(and ONLY this one game, since Nintendo has to be in development in Rev titles after to make a good launch) will not seal and exceed the current 3+million gap.

 

[Odnetnin]

YES YES YES. :rolls on bearskin rug in esctasy.

is that the reply you were looking for?

 

[909er]

Nope. What I'm saying is that if Nvidia is going to STOP production of Xbox graphics chips at the end of August, Xbox sales will be running on a limited supply that will run out. Therefore, eventually there will be NO Xboxes sold while GC is still selling "whatever" it might be(alot can happen from now and then). Thus, you must be running some Puff the Magic Dragon compaign in which MS has millions of Xbox piled up somewhere in the world that it's going to sell over the next year to reach your number.

As for my "crack" comment towards you, it would be insane to think that GC will not get a heavy boost from Zelda at this point. I would say that Xbox 1 doesnt have anything that will come close to millions that Zelda is probably going to generate(making your guess of Xbox 1 selling on a limited quantity of systems and no game to drive it like Zelda will for GC illogical and imaginary), but it's better to wait until after E3 to make such claims

Okay, I'll put it more flatly. GC's been selling like crap. This winter, everybody's gaming money will go to the cheap and slim PS2 or the "next big thing" Xbox 360. GC will ONLY have Zelda as a big Nintendo release, if not as the only real release. The Revolution will come out probably mid next year. In that time frame, and given the other conditions, I cannot see the GC selling more than 4 million(assuming the Xbox's US gap grows only by a million before the system is out of stock) in that time frame.

 

[HokieJoe]

Matters about as much as counting a small sales 'victory' when you are selling your product for a considerable loss over your competitors.

If it where the profit margin alone, MS would've shit-canned the Xbox already. They made a mistake on the console licensing, but they have their eye on the bigger picture- MARKETSHARE.

 

[gamergirly]

Okay, I'll put it more flatly. GC's been selling like crap. This winter, everybody's gaming money will go to the cheap and slim PS2 or the "next big thing" Xbox 360. GC will ONLY have Zelda as a big Nintendo release, if not as the only real release. The Revolution will come out probably mid next year. In that time frame, and given the other conditions, I cannot see the GC selling more than 4 million(assuming the Xbox's US gap grows only by a million before the system is out of stock) in that time frame.

That's the whole problem with your comments, youre not in a position to tell us what Nintendo is going to do OR have unless youre some big wig in disguise(and I doubt it from your intellect).

As for what Xbox 360 will do, how successful it is will depend on many factors. From software offerings to how Xbox owners feel about jumping shift into a new generation to whether non-Xbox 1 owners want to play Halo 2 or not( ) on Xbox 360 === BC. I also understand your doubt to a certain point, this game should have been released in 2002 and stopped Xbox in its tracks if Nintendo knew what it was doing about maintaining 2nd place for the majority of this gen.

But seperate the fantasy from the reality. Zelda IS a system seller, it's just not on a Sony or Microsoft system like you have became comfortable with. It's people like you that are going to be in for a rude awakening if Nintendo reveals anything substantial at E3 or laugh them off like you are doing now if they screw up lol

 

[Amir0x]

It doesn't matter.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

And there will still probably be maybe 3 million more Xboxs sold in the US before it's good and dead.

If Xbox sold as well from May through December as it did last year, it would sell 3 million more. But that just won't be possible if they won't even be getting chips from Nvidia past July. 1 million more easy, but I doubt all the way to 2.

 

[Ryudo]

But seperate the fantasy from the reality. Zelda IS a system seller, it's just not on a Sony or Microsoft system like you have became comfortable with. It's people like you that are going to be in for a rude awakening if Nintendo reveals anything substantial at E3 or laugh them off like you are doing now if they screw up lol

Its about time they did something right isnt it ?

 

[Fularu]

If Xbox sold as well from May through December as it did last year, it would sell 3 million more. But that just won't be possible if they won't even be getting chips from Nvidia past July. 1 million more easy, but I doubt all the way to 2.

And there's not halo 2 this year, past conker there's virtually nothing in the big games department for the xbox this year, it's pretty much stale

On the other hand, if WW managed to almost reach 2 millions in the US with it's abviously kiddy looki, what will a "mature" looking zelda do? Especially if nintendo puts a heavy add campaign for it like they did with ocarina of time?

This game will sell, a lot, and will sell systems, a lot. Don'T be surprised if the gap between the xbox and the GC at the end of this year is closer than 2.5 millions

 

[gamergirly]

Its about time they did something right isnt it ?

That depends. There's some things they did right and some.......things they made purple

 

[Spike]

This winter, everybody's gaming money will go to the cheap and slim PS2 or the "next big thing" Xbox 360.

Wait, next big thing = Xbox 360? WTF happened to the PSP?!?!

 

[Ryudo]

That depends. There's some things they did right and some.......things they made purple

I meant just this generation. Nintendo of old were unstoppable.

 

[Buffy4ever]

I don't think the Gamecube will catch up. Everyone assumes Zelda will be the system seller. Shouldn't that have been Zelda: Wind Waker? If you like Zelda, shouldn't you already own the system? Currenty the 3rd parteis are dropping Gamecube over the x-box and this with the xbox 360 coming out. Another thing about Zelda vbing a system seller, we heard this with Resident Evil 4. We saw what happened there. I think X-box is safe at second, even iwth limited supply.

 

[Polari]

In America there is no way Gamecube will catch up to the Xbox. Remember, this April there were NO games released for Gamecube. None. The Gamecube is dead. Zelda is a franchise that has lost a lot of it's lustre in the last few years, and since so many Zelda games have been released lately the usual level of antipation isn't there. Not to mention that the game will be totally overshadowed by next gen. Also, let's face it, if someone doesn't own a Gamecube yet (they're $99!) they probably never will. Zelda serves as a nice last hurrah for the Nintendo fanboys, but that's it.

If Resident Evil 4 didn't save the system, nothing can. It was the best game of this generation, had all its deserved hype, yet Gamecube sales continued to flat-line - and you can't blame it all on the PS2 port being announced.

 

[FiRez]

I really doubt it. maybe if they drop to 50$....maybe

 

[MightyHedgehog]

I don't think it'll ever overtake the XBOX worldwide total when all is done. The momentum for the GC is just gone. LoZ will be the last big spike, but even the size of that burst in sales is pretty doubtful to be significant as I think everyone who wants the game already has the system by now. Zelda fans already got it for WW and now await the new one. As for the XBOX being discontinued in hardware manufacturing, I don't think we'll see it totally done with until end of year or so. nVidia's final shipment of their parts to MS for integration with the rest of the system will happen by end of August. By the end of the year, there will likely be a few million more consoles made in addition to the increased production that has been occuring for the last few months. That amount should give MS another 2-3 million systems to sell out with. Of course, this is just my guess about the hardware numbers, but I stand by my take on the end of gen outcome in totals.

Anyway...the outcome is already made in casuals' minds, IMO. XBOX is just the more popular console, as evidenced by the increasing disparity of monthly software sales between the two. The lack of as much choice and lack of more big third party titles to be released on the GC hurts any chance for sustained console sales and momentum gain. By comparison, XBOX is receiving lots that will also be released for the PS2, which is pretty much unstoppable by either. This month's sales data shows that XBOX is able to compete head to head with Sony on occasion. That could really never be said about the GC in the last two years or so. Outside of the console exclusives between the two, XBOX will benefit from PS2's multiplatform releases, as what isn't exclusive (mostly first party stuff) to PS2 is virtually guaranteed for release on the XBOX.

 

[DDayton]

since so many Zelda games have been released lately the usual level of antipation isn't there.

Let me see... Minish Cap, Four Swords Adventures...er... Wind Waker got released a few years ago... confound it, I must be forgetting the other Zelda games that had been "released lately".

 

[Hollywood]

If it where the profit margin alone, MS would've shit-canned the Xbox already. They made a mistake on the console licensing, but they have their eye on the bigger picture- MARKETSHARE.

Marketshare doesn't matter if your not making money. Nintendo didn't need an opener console to beat Atari did they? Sony didn't need one to beat Nintendo? I think its all a bunch of spin by MSoft. You can have all the marketshare you want if you are willing to take the hit.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

MS buys their parts from NVidia in bulk. They don't buy them monthly. IIRC, for the Xbox launch they bought 4 million chips from NVidia. Xboxes won't halt being sold after August. They'll just create their last batch of NV2A chips.

So no.

 

[Buffy4ever]

Marketshare doesn't matter if your not making money. Nintendo didn't need an opener console to beat Atari did they? Sony didn't need one to beat Nintendo? I think its all a bunch of spin by MSoft. You can have all the marketshare you want if you are willing to take the hit.

First thing, one has to remember when Nintnedo intoduced the NES thier was really no Atari left. So Nintendo, didn't have to worry about Atari. Nintendo themsleves were already weakened by Sega from the 16 bit year when Sony came along. Sony became the number 1 player becuase Nintendo went with Cartridge, and all the 3rd party were ready to jump ship. the 3rd party like the Cheap cost of cds that Sony offered, so it was a natural choice to go with Sony. Sony is almost unstoppable, so really MSoft needs an opener. Plus they are an American company, that was an almost unwriten taboo with all the Japanese companies befoire the xbox.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Marketshare doesn't matter if your not making money. Nintendo didn't need an opener console to beat Atari did they? Sony didn't need one to beat Nintendo? I think its all a bunch of spin by MSoft. You can have all the marketshare you want if you are willing to take the hit.

Why do people seem to be more interested in how much money a console manufacturer makes compared to another when all they should really be concerned with is the games for the consoles? If you're a stockholder, I would see the point. But then, as an MS stockholder you probably wouldn't be very concerned as MS is making some very smart business and strategic decisions to rectify the problems of their first console, in terms of profit and debt, I think.

As for marketshare importance...it has more worth to a company such as MS than pure profit from their console venture does at the moment. X360 is clearly a step in the direction of profit by attempting to leverage their marketshare and mindshare earned this gen for next-gen. MS operates differently because they can with the help of its money...however, this option is something that cannot or will not go for too long as they are, after all, a business...with stockholders to appease. Nintendo operated differently when the NES was out, by forcing major publishers to sign exclusivity agreements for developing on their system...very directly controlling the competition from others. They could do that because their extreme marketshare afforded them that. They can't do that now because they don't have that option.

As for Nintendo with their console debut in NA, Atari was already pretty much toast and the market flat. No real competiton from Sega/Tonka either. Sony did exceedingly well, this is true.

 

[Hollywood]

First thing, one has to remember when Nintnedo intoduced the NES thier was really no Atari left. So Nintendo, didn't have to worry about Atari. Nintendo themsleves were already weakened by Sega from the 16 bit year when Sony came along. Sony became the number 1 player becuase Nintendo went with Cartridge, and all the 3rd party were ready to jump ship. the 3rd party like the Cheap cost of cds that Sony offered, so it was a natural choice to go with Sony. Sony is almost unstoppable, so really MSoft needs an opener. Plus they are an American company, that was an almost unwriten taboo with all the Japanese companies befoire the xbox.

You can make excuses all you want, but thats not giving credit to the companies. Nintendo made a mistake, but would have still prevailed if there wasn't a company like Sony to take it from them. You are also assuming making a console means that people who bought it the first time will for the next generation ,and many times that isn't the case at all.

 

[gamergirly]

MS buys their parts from NVidia in bulk. They don't buy them monthly. IIRC, for the Xbox launch they bought 4 million chips from NVidia. Xboxes won't halt being sold after August. They'll just create their last batch of NV2A chips.

So no.

No, but the point is that how long are they going to be selling after production is halted will be limited unless MS purchased millions of systems(and not 2 million as was said before). Unless something substantial and expansive for games is announced for Xbox at E3, the software lineup dries up just like somebody said earlier. So, you will ALWAYS get to the problem of not having much software to sell what limited hardware you have left.

Additionally, Xbox 1 is not going to be GC with the new Zelda or PS2 with tons of huge games left. Whether you want to admit it or not, the problem is going to come, and the faster Xbox sales are ate up the SOONER its going to happen. Which may be a huge problem for the longetivity of the system even.....

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

No, but the point is that they arent going to be selling that long after production is halted unless MS purchased millions of systems(and not 2 million as was said before). And when it stops selling, who is going to continue developing for Xbox? In fact, who is going to continue creating games for a 2nd or 3rd place system after its successor is taking all the glory from that camp? Xbox 1 is not going to be GC with a new Zelda or PS2 with tons of huge games left if nothing substantial is announced at E3.

The Xbox has Godfather (Or Scarface, I get those games confused... as you can tell , not exclusive, but should sell enough to fit into this point, and not coming to GC), Half Life 2, and over 100 games coming this year.

The GC, while it has Zelda, has less than 40 games scheduled for this year.

Games like Madden and NBA Live thrive and actually sell on Xbox
Games like Madden and NBA Live struggle to break 300K on GC

The Xbox and GC, if priced similarly, the Xbox will demolish GC saleswise. If an $100 dollar gap couldn't do it, and an $80 dollar gap couldn't do it, and a $50 dollar gap couldn't do it, and a $40 dollar gap couldn't do it, what makes you think that a gap even smaller will finally be able to 'overthrow' the Xbox when the Xbox and PS2 lowers price?

nVidia has the capacity to sell millions of parts to MS. I see MS buying at least 4 or 6 million more parts. (Which can last an entire YEAR or more. MS only sold ~7 million Xboxes last year)

When the Xbox stops selling (Which will probably when stock runs dry in feb-mar next year at the earliest) people would not be caring that much about this generation either way, because in a few short months they'll be playing in the new generation of games.

Zelda has failed to move a significant amount of systems before. The month of TWW's launch, the GC failed to outsell the Xbox. In the following months, with Nintendo BUNDLING a FREE Zelda disc with every gamecube, the GC did not outsell the Xbox, and actually dipped quite a number below it. (Month of Zelda bundle, the GC sold 25K under the XB)

The Playstation, after the launch of the PS2, had a few more particularly fine-selling months.

 

[Hero]

And Wind Waker was hurt by its image. This Zelda is completely different, and you're insane to think that it won't boost sales.

I can see Gamecube having another year of shelf life even after Revolution comes out, as a 49.99 budget system like the PS0ne was. Xbox shipments have been horribly all over North Eastern PA and southern NJ, so I can't imagine shipments increasing.

Zelda will easily push 4-5 million units worldwide after all is said and done, and I'm sure a lot of people will buy a Gamecube for that.

If anything, I'd be more worried about Xbox 360 sales this holiday season. With a mere 4 year shelf life, and tons of people having bought their first Xbox for Halo 2, I doubt that there's going to be a lot of initial adopters. It's Dreamcast all over again.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Seriously, every big GC title has been propped up as the system seller...yet none have filled that role in a very obviously direct way. I think it's safe to assume the system will not have any new title for the rest of its lifespan selling more than 2 million copies within its first year in North America at this point. The new Zelda will sell well...even better than WW, I believe. I just don't see the system seeing any major, long-term impact from it. I'll bet five dollars that the GC will not move more systems (in NA) in any given month this year than the XBOX will. That's my money right there and I'll even send it to ya with a fancy ribbon attached, Hero.

 

[Hero]

Seriously, every big GC title has been propped up as the system seller...yet none have filled that role in a very obviously direct way. I think it's safe to assume the system will not have any new title for the rest of its lifespan selling more than 2 million copies within its first year in North America at this point. The new Zelda will sell well...even better than WW, I believe. I just don't see the system seeing any major, long-term impact from it.

Wind Waker sold 800K in March when it was released. Majora's Mask, which required a 20-30 dollar periphial, sold a million in its first month when it was released. There is no doubt in my mind that by January 1, 2006 that the next Zelda will have sold 1 million units. Combine the hype that the title will receive, and a probable Gamecube price drop to 79.99, I can see a huge sales spike. Not to mention Mario Kart Double Dash will probably have gone PC by then. When that drops I think it'll help out the effort a little bit, not significantly or too noticably, but the game has sold pretty well since its release.

I'll bet five dollars that the GC will not move more systems (in NA) in any given month this year than the XBOX will. That's my money right there and I'll even send it to ya with a fancy ribbon attached, Hero.

I'll take up that bet. And for clarification for later on, the bet is that the Gamecube won't outsell the first Xbox in any given month in North America this year, correct?

 

[MightyHedgehog]

I'll take up that bet. And for clarification for later on, the bet is that the Gamecube won't outsell the first Xbox in any given month in North America this year, correct?

Yep. Correct. *shakes hands* I can already think of all the possibilities that crisp five dollar bill will bring me. It *will* be crisp, right? 'Cause I don't want a nasty, dipped in the an unflushed New Jersey rest area toilet, torn up five dollar bill...no sore losers, now.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

The Xbox and GC, if priced similarly, the Xbox will demolish GC saleswise. If an $100 dollar gap couldn't do it, and an $80 dollar gap couldn't do it, and a $50 dollar gap couldn't do it, and a $40 dollar gap couldn't do it, what makes you think that a gap even smaller will finally be able to 'overthrow' the Xbox when the Xbox and PS2 lowers price?

First, that $80 gap did do it, outselling Xbox by 375K for Q4 2003. Secondly, does a price drop for Xbox really matter? The amount they'll have produced in total must be fixed by now, so a price drop will only change the speed at which Xbox reaches that final total sold. And no, I doubt GameCube will go on to do as well as it did in 2003 again, but that is the last time it had a major price drop that wasn't disguised as a bundle. Certainly I think a $50-80 GameCube can do okay numbers against a $99-129 PS2 with the only other alternative out of stock.

I don't buy that MS will have bought enough from Nvidia between now and August 1 to make 6 million more consoles. If they didn't plan to phase the thing out soon, certainly it would've made more sense for them to continue ordering at a lesser pace rather than make a huge final purchase that would likely cause a higher cost for production and storage.

 

[stewy]

Does "2nd this gen" mean anything if their main competitor has voluntarily pulled out of this generation?

 

[CrimsonSkies]

Who doesn't own a GameCube already that wants Zelda? I mean they have already released one on the console that got the fans of the series.

 

[sol5377]

Microsoft reps said they were supporting Xbox until the end of '06. Now whether that means retail supply through then, I'm not sure, but it's clear that there are still plenty of Xbox games coming out in the rest of '05 and a few slated for '06. Just because Nvidia is halting its sales of chips to MS in a few months, doesn't mean Xbox's will stop being sold.

 

[Musashi Wins!]

gamecube fans need to look up pyrrhic victory

:lol

 

[radioheadrule83]

gamecube fans need to look up pyrrhic victory

Microsoft should too

I think with PSP and Xbox 360 out and vying for our money in the holidays, it's going to be hard for Nintendo to push more Gamecubes. They'll almost certainly have the usual spike in sales, but nothing monumental. Bigger than the Zelda factor alone, one thing that might push it is if all of the rumored new GC software comes at the same time complete with a big firesale price cut.

No point of having these things in warehouses / on shop shelves as we go to next gen.

 

[NWO]

Europe, maybe. The stated gap is 1.3 million(or was it 1.7 million?) but I still don't think that GC can catch up there.

Errr where did you get THAT figure from. That's a little too big. :lol

North America
PlayStation 2 - 32.86 million
Xbox - 13.2 million
GameCube - 10.11 million

Japan / Asia
PlayStation 2 - 19.47 million
Xbox - 1.7 million
GameCube - 3.78 million

Europe / PAL
PlayStation 2 - 29.06 million
Xbox - 5.0 million
GameCube - 4.13 million

Worldwide
PlayStation 2 - 81.39 million
Xbox - 19.9 million
GameCube - 18.03 million

 

[Pellham]

It's going to be a big mistake to not include BC for Xbox 360. I know that as someone who doesn't own an Xbox, I would definately pick the 360 up sooner if it had BC (that way I'd have access to an already existing 100+ title library).

 

[vangace]

Nintendo fanboys are out in force :lol

 

[Link316]

they'll probably ship just enough to pass the Xbox for bragging rights and PR purposes

 

[KeithFranklin]

And Wind Waker was hurt by its image. This Zelda is completely different, and you're insane to think that it won't boost sales.

To who? The Zelda lovers already have a GameCube. The people wanting mature games (I for one think the gameplay will be basically the same just Link wont look like a 5 year old) that didnt have a GameCube picked one of for RE4.

Zelda will sell great, GameCubes will sell the same. My guess is that GameCube will sell 500,000 - 600,000 between May and October and between 500,000-1,000,000 in November and December. XBOX will sell about 2 million more this year.

 

[jarrod]

It's inevitable really, the platforms are just too close in numbers and Microsoft is halting production too early. It might take until the end of 2006, but GameCube will definitely end up with the larger base count.... I'd expect the end of 2006 to look like...

PlayStation 2~ 120-125 million
GameCube~ 23-25 million
Xbox~ 22-24 million

 

[KeithFranklin]

Errr where did you get THAT figure from. That's a little too big. :lol

North America
PlayStation 2 - 32.86 million
Xbox - 13.2 million
GameCube - 10.11 million

Japan / Asia
PlayStation 2 - 19.47 million
Xbox - 1.7 million
GameCube - 3.78 million

Europe / PAL
PlayStation 2 - 29.06 million
Xbox - 5.0 million
GameCube - 4.13 million

Worldwide
PlayStation 2 - 81.39 million
Xbox - 19.9 million
GameCube - 18.03 million

Isnt this end of 2004 numbers and XBOX (Although in short supply has spanked GameCube all year long in 2005 nearly doubling the GameCube sales).

 

[Hero]

To who? The Zelda lovers already have a GameCube. The people wanting mature games (I for one think the gameplay will be basically the same just Link wont look like a 5 year old) that didnt have a GameCube picked one of for RE4.

Zelda will sell great, GameCubes will sell the same. My guess is that GameCube will sell 500,000 - 600,000 between May and October and between 500,000-1,000,000 in November and December. XBOX will sell about 2 million more this year.

By that logic, anybody who bought an Xbox in the past 7 months definitely didn't buy it for Halo 2, since any Halo lovers already had it, right?

There's always late system adopters, mostly casuals.

 

[Of All Trades]

By that logic, anybody who bought an Xbox in the past 7 months definitely didn't buy it for Halo 2, since any Halo lovers already had it, right?

There's always late system adopters, mostly casuals.

The xbox sales increase last winter, while helped by Halo 2, was not some sort of industry-shaking phenomenon, considering that the xbox was matching or nearly matching the PS2 for months before that. Yes, Halo 2 is probably what pushed the xbox numbers over the top, but to expect Zelda to push GC numbers from the mire they're in now to some sort of landmark position is absurd.

Not to mention that Nintendo is going to be focusing much, much more on the DS this winter, especially since the PSP is going to be eating into their marketshare.

 

[KeithFranklin]

By that logic, anybody who bought an Xbox in the past 7 months definitely didn't buy it for Halo 2, since any Halo lovers already had it, right?

There's always late system adopters, mostly casuals.

I agree they didnt purchase the XBOX for Halo or Halo 2. They purchased the XBOX for the wide variety of excellent games available for the console.

Your talking apples and oranges. A Zelda game or a Mario game have a built in audience from years of games. So many of these Nintendo fans purchased a GameCube long ago expecting these games to rock thier world. They didnt need to see Zelda, they didnt need to play Zelda. All they needed was Nintendo to release a console.

 

[Hero]

The xbox sales increase last winter, while helped by Halo 2, was not some sort of industry-shaking phenomenon, considering that the xbox was matching or nearly matching the PS2 for months before that. Yes, Halo 2 is probably what pushed the xbox numbers over the top, but to expect Zelda to push GC numbers from the mire they're in now to some sort of landmark position is absurd.

Not to mention that Nintendo is going to be focusing much, much more on the DS this winter, especially since the PSP is going to be eating into their marketshare.

Landmark position? Since when is it a 'landmark position' to outsell a system that's being phased out for another one? And I never said it was just Zelda that would sell systems this holiday season, as I'm sure there's plenty of other stuff (DDRw/Mario, FE, etc.) this season, and mostly if Nintendo drops the price of the Gamecube to 79.99 or lower. And if Mario Kart GPX comes out as a Gamecube release you can bet that it'll sell some more systems.

Edit:

Your talking apples and oranges. A Zelda game or a Mario game have a built in audience from years of games. So many of these Nintendo fans purchased a GameCube long ago expecting these games to rock thier world. They didnt need to see Zelda, they didnt need to play Zelda. All they needed was Nintendo to release a console.

If this 'logic' of yours was true, then Super Mario Sunshine, Wind Waker, Four Swords Adventures, and Mario Kart Double Dash would've sold as much as their N64 precursors (and MM would've sold as much as OoT). It's not like the 8 million + people who bought SM64 just disappeared or something, a lot of them just chose not to buy a Gamecube for some reason or another. Someone with logic would say that these people still aren't convinced of a Gamecube purchase and I'm betting that Zelda will be a game to do that.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

First, that $80 gap did do it, outselling Xbox by 375K for Q4 2003. Secondly, does a price drop for Xbox really matter? The amount they'll have produced in total must be fixed by now, so a price drop will only change the speed at which Xbox reaches that final total sold. And no, I doubt GameCube will go on to do as well as it did in 2003 again, but that is the last time it had a major price drop that wasn't disguised as a bundle. Certainly I think a $50-80 GameCube can do okay numbers against a $99-129 PS2 with the only other alternative out of stock.

By 'Do it', I mean give the GC any momentum to actually outpace the Xbox. The month Zelda TWW came out, the GC had a great deal of momentum, coming off of a pretty great year of price drops, Super Mario Sunshine, and a bevvy of bundles that helped the GC sell very well. So Zelda rolls around and sells very well, but does not push the Xbox.

So now a GC, with a much closer price range to Xbox, even LESS titles for the year and the only standout title being released in a year being Zelda, is supposed to outsell the Xbox.

I don't buy that MS will have bought enough from Nvidia between now and August 1 to make 6 million more consoles. If they didn't plan to phase the thing out soon, certainly it would've made more sense for them to continue ordering at a lesser pace rather than make a huge final purchase that would likely cause a higher cost for production and storage.

Microsoft, according to the "Next Generation" PDF article I found from last year, can buy nVidia's peak capacity supply of 6 million NV2A parts, as they did in August 2004. It's not that outrageous. They don't do lesser purchases at a lesser pace (Which would = at a higher price per unit), mate.

 

[gamergirly]

By 'Do it', I mean give the GC any momentum to actually outpace the Xbox. The month Zelda TWW came out, the GC had a great deal of momentum, coming off of a pretty great year of price drops, Super Mario Sunshine, and a bevvy of bundles that helped the GC sell very well. So Zelda rolls around and sells very well, but does not push the Xbox.

So now a GC, with a much closer price range to Xbox, even LESS titles for the year and the only standout title being released in a year being Zelda, is supposed to outsell the Xbox.


Microsoft, according to the "Next Generation" PDF article I found from last year, can buy nVidia's peak capacity supply of 6 million NV2A parts, as they did in August 2004. It's not that outrageous. They don't do lesser purchases at a lesser pace (Which would = at a higher price per unit), mate.

Once production is cut, Xbox will eventually run out of units. It's as simple as that. Look at what Xbox sold this month, it's still on shortages. So, unless youre right about a gigantic 6 million units sitting in manufacturer houses ready to be shipped off at the press of a magic button then you are FAR ahead of yourself.

As for the only standout, maybe you should wait until after E3 to see what Gamecube is going to have in the next year. It only takes one game to make a system stand out in the public.......try looking at your Xbox....

 

[jarrod]

By 'Do it', I mean give the GC any momentum to actually outpace the Xbox. The month Zelda TWW came out, the GC had a great deal of momentum, coming off of a pretty great year of price drops, Super Mario Sunshine, and a bevvy of bundles that helped the GC sell very well. So Zelda rolls around and sells very well, but does not push the Xbox.

So now a GC, with a much closer price range to Xbox, even LESS titles for the year and the only standout title being released in a year being Zelda, is supposed to outsell the Xbox.

Actually, in 2003 GameCube outsold Xbox. Not due to Zelda (though that didn't hurt either) but thanks to a key price drop.

 

[KeithFranklin]

If this 'logic' of yours was true, then Super Mario Sunshine, Wind Waker, Four Swords Adventures, and Mario Kart Double Dash would've sold as much as their N64 precursors (and MM would've sold as much as OoT). It's not like the 8 million + people who bought SM64 just disappeared or something, a lot of them just chose not to buy a Gamecube for some reason or another. Someone with logic would say that these people still aren't convinced of a Gamecube purchase and I'm betting that Zelda will be a game to do that.

Nope, because much of that audience moved on. I for one moved on. I purchased every Nintendo console until the GameCube as did many of my friends. I gave several friends NES as wedding presents in the late 1980's even. Yet none of us felt the need for another round of Nintendoness. All moved on to other consoles.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

Once production is cut, Xbox will eventually run out of units. It's as simple as that. Look at what Xbox sold this month, it's still on shortages. So, unless youre right about a gigantic 6 million units sitting in manufacturer houses ready to be shipped off at the press of a magic button then you are FAR ahead of yourself.

While true, when the Xbox runs out of units, we'll be dead-smack in the face of Next Generation with maybe two next generation console releases. When that happens, both the Xbox 1 and Gamecube will be ignored (The PS2 will prolly sell well until a bit after PS3 hits it's stride).

As for the only standout, maybe you should wait until after E3 to see what Gamecube is going to have in the next year. It only takes one game to make a system stand out in the public.......try looking at your Xbox....

Zelda might hold as much weight as Scarface (Or Godfather. I Told you I get them confused), GTA:SA, Conker, Halo 2 map pack, Need for Speed (sequel), Half-Life 2, The EA Sports games, or Matrixath of Neo. These titles are all confirmed for the Xbox this year. If you think the Xbox is just going to up-and-die because Nvidia is shipping their last bulk quantity of NV2As then you'd be quite wrong, miss.