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[German Shocks]

Hi everybody,

More and more people are now using vaping instead of cigarettes.
I see my contemporaries using it a lot. I don't know if it is food enough for people to use it instead of traditional cigarettes?
Can anyone give me your opinion on this matter?

 

[Jinzo Prime]

Why do you even have to smoke anyway? I mean, sure, it's safer than cigs, but you're still getting a lifelong addiction to nicotine, but for what?

 

[Grildon Tundy]

Zyn for the win.

I don't trust vape juice or chewing tobacco. Zyn and other nicotine pouches are pure lab-grown dopamine without the carcinogens.

 

[HRK69]

Isn't vaping just the equivalent of drinking 0% beer?

Both are remarkably uncool

 

[falconhoof]

What's wrong with black tar heroin? Why do people feel the need to change things?

 

[John Marston]

I quit smoking around 2013 and switched to vaping but I was skeptical.

My family doctor was all for it

The hardware has definitely evolved from bulky to slick little sticks.
Today I use this one:

In Quebec where I live all flavors have been banned (somebody think of the children!) but my shop has some good tobacco flavored juice variations.

I just enjoy blowing smoke and also fuck cigarettes, a pack is now 23$

 

[jason10mm]

Be VERY careful which vape cartridges you use. It was the cheap chinese THC ones that were toxic with vitamin E and stuff that caused all the lung issues a few years back. Unlike tobacco, there is no long standing traditions or businesses to ensure quality and consistency.

Personally I stick to pipes and cigars. Much more about the purity of the tobacco and the smoking experience and less about the drugs they dose you with.

Are you trying to quit cigarettes? Then I'd consider vapes. But if you are thinking of STARTING, then don't. Neither of these products is even remotely good for you or safe.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

I quit smoking around 2013 and switched to vaping but I was skeptical.

My family doctor was all for it

The hardware has definitely evolved from bulky to slick little sticks.
Today I use this one:

In Quebec where I live all flavors have been banned (somebody think of the children!) but my shop has some good tobacco flavored juice variations.

I just enjoy blowing smoke and also fuck cigarettes, a pack is now 23$

$23? That's pittance! In Australia they charge $60 for a pack of Benson & Hedges and vapes are banned lol And the government wonders where this booming illegal tobacco market has sprung up from!

 

[Sabejita]

 

[Grenseal]

Do whatever you can to stop smoking. All smoking. Use a vape, use a patch, use anything and then quit those too. You don't want to end up sick all of the time and always feel like you're just short of finally catching your breath; when it catches up to you it's not pretty. And that's not even getting into the cancers.

 

[mopspear]

You wanna put a Personal Electronic Nicotine Inhalation System in your mouth?

I swore vaping would look sick as shit when I heard about it like in 2008. Like some kind of cyberpunk look. But no way. The coolest level look you can attain is "dirtbag".

My friend is an middle school art teacher and he showed up one day and six 8th graders were missing because their VAPE RING got busted. If they think it's cool, it's not.

 

[p_xavier]

Is it like 2013? Don't mate.

 

[bender]

 

[Miyazaki’s Slave]

I started smoking when I was 11. I was up to a pack a day by the time I was 16 and during my early 20's work was "unhealthy" and I was north of 2 1/2 to 3 per day. I quit when I was 27 using a drug called Chantix which had an unfortunate side effect of unlocking a shit ton of night terror issues I had outgrown (repressed I am sure) during puberty.

Still have aboustly awful dreams to this day but I haven't touched a cig in 20 years. Fucking worth it. FTLOG don't start smoking.

 

[nush]

I quit smoking around 2013 and switched to vaping but I was skeptical.

My family doctor was all for it

The hardware has definitely evolved from bulky to slick little sticks.
Today I use this one:

In Quebec where I live all flavors have been banned (somebody think of the children!) but my shop has some good tobacco flavored juice variations.

I just enjoy blowing smoke and also fuck cigarettes, a pack is now 23$

It's doesn't stink up your home and clothes and your not coughing up crap from your lungs. Also no fire risk as well. It's easier to give up vaping due to the lower nicotine content as well.

 

[StueyDuck]

Hi everybody,

More and more people are now using vaping instead of cigarettes.
I see my contemporaries using it a lot. I don't know if it is food enough for people to use it instead of traditional cigarettes?
Can anyone give me your opinion on this matter?

Depends which research you want to believe but some say its evidence of being worse because most vapors end up with nicotine levels in their vape that matches or even exceeds what they had with cigs

Just kick the habit... its tough but its one less thing controlling you in your life

 

[reinking]

also fuck cigarettes, a pack is now 23$

Damn. I remember buying cigarettes for my grandmother and her throwing a fit when they hit $10 a carton.

 

[MrRibeye]

I dunno, can you?

(teachers always make that joke when you ask if you "can" do something)

 

[Toots]

You should somke crystal meth, then people will really start to notice you.

 

[deriks]

I like to feel a menthos flavor, and I think the fog is very cool, but I don't have one. It's not good for the body

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

My sincere advice is to not start inhaling stuff other than air, period.
And if you need to stop smoking cigarettes, there's other ways to do it than just replacing the shit you are inhaling with different shit that shouldn't enter your lungs either.

 

[SomeNorseGuy]

Smoked a pack of ciggs every day for 16 years. Switched to vaping 5 years ago. Started out with 12mg nicotin and have slowly decreased the amount, now I'm down to 4mg. I'm guessing I'm about a year-ish away from being completely vaned of.

The first month after switching to vaping was kind of rough. But the long term benefit was 100% worth it for me.

 

[The Cockatrice]

No.

 

[MrRibeye]

You wanna put a Personal Electronic Nicotine Inhalation System in your mouth?

 

[Trilobit]

Hi everybody,

More and more people are now using vaping instead of cigarettes.
I see my contemporaries using it a lot. I don't know if it is food enough for people to use it instead of traditional cigarettes?
Can anyone give me your opinion on this matter?

Go ahead if you want to look gay instead of like a chad.

Imagine Clint Eastwood vaping instead.

 

[LyricalShrike]

Go ahead if you want to look gay instead of like a chad.

Imagine Clint Eastwood vaping instead.

A needle dick hanging from your mouth qualifies as pretty gay looking.

 

[AJUMP23]

Don't do that stuff at all

 

[jason10mm]

A needle dick hanging from your mouth qualifies as pretty gay looking.

pretty much. It's definitely one of the reasons why you don't see movies feature them much. (not that anything smoking is very prevalent anymore)

Imagine these guys sucking on a vape...

or these guys swapping out their pipe....

plus then you lose out on the CLASSIC "gotta light?" meeting scene, instead we have to sit though more annoying "meet cute" nonsense

 

[Davevil]

next step : green hair and septum

 

[Trunx81]

I moved from cigarettes to vaping and never looked back. Can't even light one for my wife as it tastes disgusting.
Currently trying to reduce the nicotine in my liquid.

What changed for me: When I got a cold while smoking cigs, I got really bad coughing. That's now totally gone. So to go from cigs to vapes was a no-brainer for me.

If you don't smoke, just don't start. Like, ever.

 

[John Marston]

I moved from cigarettes to vaping and never looked back. Can't even light one for my wife as it tastes disgusting.

And the smell! That horrible smell.

I apologized to my friends for all those nights when we would drink beer and play videogame marathons.
And I would chain smoke non stop.
They just shrugged their shoulders

When walking outside I sometimes get a whiff and it's disgusting.
But I'll never be one of those bitter cunts who judge people who still smoke.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

No.

Try fucking supermodels instead.

 

[Zacfoldor]

pretty much. It's definitely one of the reasons why you don't see movies feature them much. (not that anything smoking is very prevalent anymore)

Imagine these guys sucking on a vape...

or these guys swapping out their pipe....

plus then you lose out on the CLASSIC "gotta light?" meeting scene, instead we have to sit though more annoying "meet cute" nonsense

I did that too much and now I can't smoke due to asthma but vape is of course evaporated liquid/gel not smoke. So it is much better on your lungs 1 to 1.

That said, virtually anything that you consume frequently including spacetime has the potential to cause cancer. Cancer is just the alteration of a cell and replication of the bad cell. Anything can cause that. Some things have a higher chance than others. Everything contains risks.

Smoke is a very gross substance. Some people don't realize that it is quite nasty. If you have ever bought liquid smoke that is not a flavoring, that's real smoke melted down into that bottle. Smoke is a terrible substance.

 

[jason10mm]

I did that too much and now I can't smoke due to asthma but vape is of course evaporated liquid not smoke. So it is much better on your lungs 1 to 1.

That said, anything that you consume frequently has the potential to cause cancer.

the chemicals in the cartridge are the issue, not just the method of delivery. I'm not sure warm water vapor is all that much better than warm smoke to distal bronchioles and alveoli if they both have particulates and chemicals that trigger inflammation and reactive responses or have carcinogenic effects. I agree that vaping is probably "better" overall, but given the almost totally unregulated aspect to lots of these vape cartridges, I think it's difficult to determine the long term risks even when compared to cigarrettes.

 

[Zacfoldor]

the chemicals in the cartridge are the issue, not just the method of delivery. I'm not sure warm water vapor is all that much better than warm smoke to distal bronchioles and alveoli if they both have particulates and chemicals that trigger inflammation and reactive responses or have carcinogenic effects. I agree that vaping is probably "better" overall, but given the almost totally unregulated aspect to lots of these vape cartridges, I think it's difficult to determine the long term risks even when compared to cigarrettes.

Good points but just remember that with the advent of medical marijuana, it isn't just for recreation anymore.

There are medical uses for vaping. These things are prescribed. In locals I know of users can get 30 or 40 1g vapes per month on a rolling 30 day reset with a valid rx. So vaping is very much a thing regardless of recreational usage.

Since these vapes are often required to be made in state there is probably less regulation than on the otc sugar water stuff they sell. You can also directly vape the flower.

Mississippi has full scale medical marijuana just to give you an idea of how widespread this is.

 

[neo raider]

 

[Nocty]

Bro, why. This shit makes me want ot put my head through a wall. I had the exact same arguement at work with a guy whos dad got lung cancer and he's at the lunch break at work puffing away on cigarettes, well known to cause cancer, and expecting sympathy from his colleagues who don't smoke have to suffer the smell of that fucking shit. Directly. You are basically paying money to increase your risk of dying early dramatically.

Dubious chemicals from a chinese lab in those vape cartridges are likely even worse. Vaping has been linked to serious lung injuries, including EVALI (e-cigarette or vaping use-associated lung injury). The CDC has identified vitamin E acetate in vapes as a thickening agent as a major concern for these injuries. Toxic Chemical Exposure....again, why?

That shit not only smells horrible but also contains many if not more cancer-causing chemicals than cigs, heavy metals (like lead and nickel), and volatile organic compounds. Some flavorings use diacetyl, a chemical linked to "popcorn lung".

Sounds fucking terrible bro.

 

[German Shocks]

Bro, why. This shit makes me want ot put my head through a wall. I had the exact same arguement at work with a guy whos dad got lung cancer and he's at the lunch break at work puffing away on cigarettes, well known to cause cancer, and expecting sympathy from his colleagues who don't smoke have to suffer the smell of that fucking shit. Directly. You are basically paying money to increase your risk of dying early dramatically.

Dubious chemicals from a chinese lab in those vape cartridges are likely even worse. Vaping has been linked to serious lung injuries, including EVALI (e-cigarette or vaping use-associated lung injury). The CDC has identified vitamin E acetate in vapes as a thickening agent as a major concern for these injuries. Toxic Chemical Exposure....again, why?

That shit not only smells horrible but also contains many if not more cancer-causing chemicals than cigs, heavy metals (like lead and nickel), and volatile organic compounds. Some flavorings use diacetyl, a chemical linked to "popcorn lung".

Sounds fucking terrible bro.

Well, when you put it that way ..

 

[Trilobit]

or these guys swapping out their pipe....

I've never got into smoking, but sometimes I mourn that I wasn't around for the "smoke a pipe" era. They all seemed to be at such ease. It feels like the sign of a thinker.

 

[nush]

Bro, why. This shit makes me want ot put my head through a wall. I had the exact same arguement at work with a guy whos dad got lung cancer and he's at the lunch break at work puffing away on cigarettes, well known to cause cancer, and expecting sympathy from his colleagues who don't smoke have to suffer the smell of that fucking shit. Directly. You are basically paying money to increase your risk of dying early dramatically.

Dubious chemicals from a chinese lab in those vape cartridges are likely even worse. Vaping has been linked to serious lung injuries, including EVALI (e-cigarette or vaping use-associated lung injury). The CDC has identified vitamin E acetate in vapes as a thickening agent as a major concern for these injuries. Toxic Chemical Exposure....again, why?

That shit not only smells horrible but also contains many if not more cancer-causing chemicals than cigs, heavy metals (like lead and nickel), and volatile organic compounds. Some flavorings use diacetyl, a chemical linked to "popcorn lung".

Sounds fucking terrible bro.

You do know a lot of the scaremongering is pushed by big tobacco companies as vaping came in and destroyed their market pretty quickly.

 

[Soodanim]

You do know a lot of the scaremongering is pushed by big tobacco companies as vaping came in and destroyed their market pretty quickly.

Sounds like a fight for last place to me

 

[jason10mm]

I've never got into smoking, but sometimes I mourn that I wasn't around for the "smoke a pipe" era. They all seemed to be at such ease. It feels like the sign of a thinker.

There is still a community out there. Pipe smoking itself, packing, lighting, and keeping it going, is a bit of an art compared to cigars and cigarettes. The pipes can range from cheap corncob to VERY pricey carved briar and meerschaum (clay). Lighters as well.

But the tobacco itself is relatively inexpensive and, if stored properly, can just age for a LONG time. So for just a $100 you can be in business for months if you smoke modestly.

Bonus for pipes over cigars is if you have to cut it short you are just out the little bit in your pipe, not a $5, $10, or $20 stick or more. Plus pipe tobacco was a MUCH broader range of flavors and, for me at least, leaves a lot less lingering smoke odor and "cat shit in mouth" taste afterwards than cigars. Downside is there is a lot more gear you need and actually packing and smoking a bowl can be a bit more involved, though it isn't that much.

I find my pipe is best when I'm at home, on the back porch, reading a book for 30-60 minutes of "me time". But a cigar is better when out and about with the boys. Plus if you smoke either then all the nasty cigarette smokers flee the scene

 

[Nocty]

You do know a lot of the scaremongering is pushed by big tobacco companies as vaping came in and destroyed their market pretty quickly.

??????

it's literally on the CDC website and thousands of peer reviewed papers how bad it is for you though.

maybe they Exaggerated some more on top but it's just adding a poo nugget cherry on a shitcake

I'll stick to breathing oxygen I think, dunno bout you niggas.

 

[jason10mm]

??????

it's literally on the CDC website and thousands of peer reviewed papers how bad it is for you though.

maybe they Exaggerated some more on top but it's just adding a poo nugget cherry on a shitcake

I'll stick to breathing oxygen I think, dunno bout you niggas.

again, the vit E toxic chinese vapes were what caused a lot of the 'early' lung injury cases. That's not a problem inherent in vaping, but definitely a risk factor as the origin of manufacture of these things is....questionable. I'm not aware of toxic chinese tobacco flooding the market, at least not in premium cigars and pipe tobacco. Tobacco is a bit finicky with where and how it is grown and cured, so "the good stuff", like coffee, tea, and spirits, tends to come from controlled high reliability places.

 

[Little Mac]

Roughly 14 or 15 years ago I used vaping as a way to quit cigarettes. I would taper off the nocotine potency in the vaping liquid over the course of a few months until there was no nicotine in the e-cig. Then I slowly replaced vaping with chewing gum. Good luck.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

I went from 20 a day smoking to none.

Just quit. You can do it.