I mean, everyone seems to be hating the hell out of the 360 just a week after its unveiling, so I was wondering... how can the 360 bounce back. Will the playable 360 games be enough? Will they need to pimp the hell out of what ever improved things they can come up with before launch? What?
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Can Microsoft redeem itself?
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VariableTerry
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Don't worry, normal people still care about it.
norinrad21
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They gave away the xbox for free, they should do the same with 360, its the only way.
yes/no
it will probably be able to redeem itself from being a piece of shit last week. and when the dust settles probably won't be THAT visually underpowered compared to PS3. But no.. the PS3 pretty much just took the lead next-gen. This really is a Dreamcast situation all over again to a degree. Early adopters will pick up a X360 (and all three systems) but the mainstream will wait for PS3, just like they did with PS2.
it will probably be able to redeem itself from being a piece of shit last week. and when the dust settles probably won't be THAT visually underpowered compared to PS3. But no.. the PS3 pretty much just took the lead next-gen. This really is a Dreamcast situation all over again to a degree. Early adopters will pick up a X360 (and all three systems) but the mainstream will wait for PS3, just like they did with PS2.
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I'm not at all excited about it but....e3 and GAF bullshit aside....how many people who are really into gaming are going to wait for the ps3 and nintendo consoles to show up without getting one? That's what their banking on. And who knows what the Nintendo gimmick is yet, apparently their underpowered to the Xbox and that will probably sell some techheads.
There's a lot of people here who will say they don't care about the system who will buy one because it's available first. I'm not sure where I fall in that spectrum right now.
There's a lot of people here who will say they don't care about the system who will buy one because it's available first. I'm not sure where I fall in that spectrum right now.
Cerebral Palsy
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I was really impressed with XBL. Sony showed nothing of their online plan. Xbox 360 GET!
seismologist
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Id buy the 360 if it were free.
gamergirly
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borghe said:
That's so unfortunate too, I really didnt think a multibillion dollar company would screw Xbox 360 up. They HAD to had been thinking straight when they jumped the gun. Or maybe they just jumped it too fast....
Cerebral Palsy
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seismologist said:
But then would you really be buying it?
Nbots are the ones jumping on 360 the most atm.
MS made the mistake of revealing everything way too early, they should have kept quite about the 360, Sakaguchi, SE and the rest of the Japanese alience then BAM revealed everything at once.
Xbox 360 is in a MUCH better position than Xbox, they've got a solid online plan, all the big players, some awesome deals with Japanese developers, they've pretty much fixed much of what was lacking on Xbox. But they should have been more prepared, because the current games look like they are just getting started. PGR3 can be seen as a launch game, the rest im kind of iffy about
MS made the mistake of revealing everything way too early, they should have kept quite about the 360, Sakaguchi, SE and the rest of the Japanese alience then BAM revealed everything at once.
Xbox 360 is in a MUCH better position than Xbox, they've got a solid online plan, all the big players, some awesome deals with Japanese developers, they've pretty much fixed much of what was lacking on Xbox. But they should have been more prepared, because the current games look like they are just getting started. PGR3 can be seen as a launch game, the rest im kind of iffy about
Thankfully, I will have no problems purchasing all of the next-gen consoles. I'm more excited about the PS3, but there is no way I'm missing out on the X360 or Nintendo's next machine.
X360 will provide more fun games and improved visuals over the current gen. My only disappointment stems from the fact that most of the games really don't look a whole lot better than what we already have. It doesn't feel "next-gen"...
X360 will provide more fun games and improved visuals over the current gen. My only disappointment stems from the fact that most of the games really don't look a whole lot better than what we already have. It doesn't feel "next-gen"...
let's see.. open my eyes and the big picture. well, Sony still has AAA games coming out for PS2, and Playstation is still a much more influential name in US than XBox, and PS3 COULD be launching less than six months after X360, AND let's face facts boys, the PS3 demos in general shit all over the X360 demos.. so let's open up our eyes. X360 will be successful. It would take a Nintendo 64 level misstep to give up their current market share. but unless they got some serious shit to pull out that we haven't seen yet, or unless sony itself makes an N64 type misstep, odds on favorite for leader next-gen is once again Sony (and I do believe three generations in a row is a record).Hournda said:
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To give some perspective, I know people who have no idea what GAF or IGN are who looked at that MTV special and were pretty disappointed. Now, if they walk into EB or GS next week asking about next-gen, the employees might be as disappointed as some people here. Thus influencing the casual opinion greatly.
Free X-Box Live sounds like something that will get casuals in the mix. Though I doubt anyone will use 75% of the new functionality that was shown. Personally, I do look forward to learning more about both the PS3 and 360. Seems like the 360 is more slanted towards being a media hub than the PS3. That actually is something I am interested in.
Free X-Box Live sounds like something that will get casuals in the mix. Though I doubt anyone will use 75% of the new functionality that was shown. Personally, I do look forward to learning more about both the PS3 and 360. Seems like the 360 is more slanted towards being a media hub than the PS3. That actually is something I am interested in.
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After seeing the PGR3 video I can wholeheartedly say yes. DAMN that was impressive. Not a fan of PGR, but it makes me drool thinking about how Burnout will look like on next-gen system....it's going to be nucking futs.
Seems like PS2 and X360 are both close in power like people were saying. It'll come down the games again, and both systems have really nice exclusive content. Great stuff
Seems like PS2 and X360 are both close in power like people were saying. It'll come down the games again, and both systems have really nice exclusive content. Great stuff
I think people need to understand that the hardcore people who frequent places like the GAF Forums aren't representative of the mainstream gaming majority(we'll see that in the May NPDs when Revenge of the Sith does huge numbers).
E3 isn't going to mean much to them. I think it all comes down to when playable kiosks hit the stores later this year. If Madden for X360 looks amazing, and there are a couple more standout titles, the system will do fine.
E3 isn't going to mean much to them. I think it all comes down to when playable kiosks hit the stores later this year. If Madden for X360 looks amazing, and there are a couple more standout titles, the system will do fine.
well, aside from that. though to be fair Sega's cash had nothing to do with the Dreamcast failing. Dreamcast simply wasn't enough to take casuals' minds off of PS2. That is where it "failed". Of course the system was still popular and successful (until SOJ had their way with it) and the same will be true about X360. But at this very second, the favor goes to PS3 as next-gen leader. just like the DC/PS2.chinch said:
A lot of people whom I've talked to, who aren't nearly as hardcore as me (but still tuned into the MTV demo) - a mixture of casual, and regular gamers... all agreed that the X360 MTV special was weak. And still, they all seem to be taking the attitude of waiting till PS3 or Rev. If PS3 and Rev truly come out next spring/summer, MS's lead won't even be that long. Sadly, since it seems MS is on the right track with this one, compared to the original Xbox. (except, whoever came up with the idea of micropayments needs to be shot on the spot)
Remember, a LOT of people purchased the original Xbox last Xmas season, try telling them to shell out $300 for a new system no more than a year since they purchased their first one.
And based upon my experience with people who play Madden, they buy the game for whatever system the rest of their friends have. Like, my cousin (who owns all 3 current gen systems) purchased the PS2 one. I asked him, why not get the Xbox version, and he said, all his friends have the PS2 one and they'd rather not get used to the Xbox controller. A lot of the more casual fans don't care THAT much about graphics.
Also, we have to take into account how MS's traditional division is doing... With Firefox chomping away at the bit of IE, and Longhorn not due out till 2007 at the earliest... I'm not really too sure how the 2 different divisions cross over too much, but say MS took a big hit in their PC products division (probably unlikely, but you never know)... I think that'll have serious effects on their games division, since right now their games division is operating at a loss.
Remember, a LOT of people purchased the original Xbox last Xmas season, try telling them to shell out $300 for a new system no more than a year since they purchased their first one.
And based upon my experience with people who play Madden, they buy the game for whatever system the rest of their friends have. Like, my cousin (who owns all 3 current gen systems) purchased the PS2 one. I asked him, why not get the Xbox version, and he said, all his friends have the PS2 one and they'd rather not get used to the Xbox controller. A lot of the more casual fans don't care THAT much about graphics.
Also, we have to take into account how MS's traditional division is doing... With Firefox chomping away at the bit of IE, and Longhorn not due out till 2007 at the earliest... I'm not really too sure how the 2 different divisions cross over too much, but say MS took a big hit in their PC products division (probably unlikely, but you never know)... I think that'll have serious effects on their games division, since right now their games division is operating at a loss.
and THIS is the best point in the thread so far. XBox sales only started ramping up big time three years ago. hell, the system was only released four years ago. now they will have to pay at LEAST probably $500 after all is said and done to go to a new gen?djtiesto said:
good point.
I've slept on it, and the answer is yes.
I'm having massive deja vu to the PS2 launch, when they promised the world and the moon to boot, and they never showed up. Bearing in mind that we won't be playing any of those games for 18 months, and we WILL be playing PG3, Kameo, Gears of War and a host of others that looks fucking brilliant, not to mention the radically expanded LIVE service in SIX months...I'm sold.
I'm having massive deja vu to the PS2 launch, when they promised the world and the moon to boot, and they never showed up. Bearing in mind that we won't be playing any of those games for 18 months, and we WILL be playing PG3, Kameo, Gears of War and a host of others that looks fucking brilliant, not to mention the radically expanded LIVE service in SIX months...I'm sold.
Sega's cash had most everything to do with it failing. DC broke launch sales records in the USA and had several million sold... but it ran out of cash and didn't sell enough in JPN relative to what was needed to pay off it's serousdebt. Sega couldn't put a DVD player in it (to sell in JPN) and absorb more losses. 3rd parties knew Sega had $$$$ troubles and weren't investing in it's future obviously.borghe said:
The comparison to xbox360 is nonsensical.
borghe said:
That also applies to Ps3 surely. After this Xmas, all the people that bought PS2 would be pissed that they would have to pay $500 for PS3 a year later.
Its more that people have come to accept that technology moves foward, and theres always something new down line. Its expected
dark10x said:
No, I don't.
I just think that people speculate too much thinking that a bad showing at a trade show is somehow going to damage said company. Had the roles been reversed and MS was the leader and Sony the underdog I would be saying the same thing.
E3 means a lot to the hardcore. Hardcore gamers aren't the majority of the market. That's a a fact.
So, basically, however E3 turns out for any company means diddly. What matters are the games. If Sony has the games and beats MS on that front after both have been released, MS loses.
CrimsonSkies
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Where did you get that from his post in a thread about the 360 and how the drama queen GAF collective doesn't really mean much? :lol
gamergirly
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Prine said:
But 80 million own a PS2 a year before PS3 comes out. Doesnt that make a difference? What about the 60 million that will have owned it for 2 years? And so on. It's not really the same situation at all with Sony & MS. MS doesnt even HAVE a real reason for cutting off the Xbox 1 besides the financial losses. They could have easily rode it into 2006....
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Prine said:
Do you really think that Sony is going to price it @ $500? X360 and PS3 willbe $300, no more, no less.
chinch said:
I don't think it's d00m3d, it's really too early to tell WHAT is gonna happen. I'm just spouting forth my observations as is. Hell I don't give a crap if the 360 fails or succeeds - I will still be getting it. Don't think I'm like a Nintendo or Sony fanboy - true I tend to prefer Japanese styles of game design and don't care much for FPSs/Halo, but I have a ton of different consoles from different vendors, spanning history. NES, Turbo Duo, Genesis, Saturn, N64, etc etc. I had (still am having) a lot of fun with my recently-acquired Xbox even though it has a very limited selection in my favorite genre (RPGs). MS brought a lot to last gen - the whole concept of a hard drive was a long time coming, and they did an excellent job with their online system (not a big online gamer, but was one of the early adopters of console online with PSO for Dreamcast).
Luscious LeftFoot
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Yes. People have short memories, they'll forgot all of this once the system is released.
But it's crazy how even the smallest move by Sony causes massive waves and the real hype hasn't even started yet.
But it's crazy how even the smallest move by Sony causes massive waves and the real hype hasn't even started yet.
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GhaleonEB said:
I really don't think Sony is stupid enough to launch PS3 with shit titles again. It worked against the DC, but they know that X360 is a tougher competitor. If the didn't give a shit about X360, they wouldn't have even announced PS3 at E3.
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Luscious LeftFoot said:
That's cause Sony orchestrates shit beautifully. They kept everything secret, then BAM! You're knocked on your ass. MS's shit was leaked to hell, which totally killed their hype wagon ...with the media and hardcore gamers at least. Things will most definitely pick up at launch, but until then, expect to see lots of "OMG OMG PS3!!!, X360 is OK" in news articles.