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Can someone please REE-splain to me how Aliens can be offensive
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VulcanRaven
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If you google Aliens and brownface you get some info about it.
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Inspector Q
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Super offensive scene right here. No way on earth (or in outer space) is it acceptable for a woman to actually accept help and training from a man.
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*Nightwing
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Jonathan Swift looks a little different from how I remember him!
BlackTron
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I want a male alien that can do everything a woman alien can or it's literal trash.
NeoIkaruGAF
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Oh snap, you may be right. The humans are so racist against the good android.
This little quip by Hudson (as mentioned by others) was the first thing I thought of that could have prompted that disclaimer:
1) Wow, the quality of this clip!
2) I never realized before how close Ripley’s Italian dubber sounded to Sigourney Weaver. It was a perfect match.
3) This movie’s look, atmosphere and composition is astounding. Just from a clip so brief you get the impression of a kind of quality most modern cinema doesn’t even begin to understand.
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The only thing I find offensive is passing that actress of as Latina. They should have given her different last name if they didn't want to hire an actual Latina.
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Not saying its anything to do with Lambert, or why it should matter, but she's mentioned as being trans. Not played by a trans actor being a problem? Maybe it's the wording in the report about her? Dunno...
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Where was that from? It certainly wasn't in the original movie for sure as the only reason the casting was done the way it was is because the original script was entirely gender neutral in regards to the Nostromo's crew.
They certainly weren't trying to be "progressive" or whatever in 1979!
Halo is Back
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I am literally shaking right now.
FatallyYours
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About 3.15 in (for all of about 10 seconds):Its a blink and you'll miss it thing when Ripley is getting debriefed/fired from W-Y, and Ripley is in the way of most of the screen for the second it's there. I actually doubted myself and thought it may have only showed up in the extended version
The cleaner pic surfaced in the "Weyland Yutani Report" book they brought out I think...or maybe extras on a dvd or something? All the crew have extended bio's. Can be found on various alien wiki's now anyways
Not that Lambert being trans does anything to the story at all, negative or positive. It may have been an Easter egg, as originally all crew in Alien were written as men? Anyway, like I said, I don't know if it is the trans thing, but it may be something that certain people would pick up on and complain about these days
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gaming_again
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Why does it matter? How is possible to care even slightly?
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I was waiting for this tone deaf response. Because I'm Latino. I imagine you're not underrepresented in Hollywood l. I don't expect you to understand. If the character is Latina why not, you know hire a Latina?
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phaedrus
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And I guess they don't like the cornbread either.I guess they don't approve of the marine talking about rescuing juicy colonists daughters from their virginities or the shame of getting male Arcturian poontang instead of female one.
So in 100 years the name Vasquez is inextricably linked to mexican type brown people?
Please, feigning concern over this is the most ludicrous pearl clutch ever.
sharp weiner
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Only seen it a few times but always assumed the Vasquez character was a mix of Russian, Brazilian, and Moroccan. But I guess not?
TheDreadBaron
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Who is feigning anything? My man is latino so it stands out to him as weird like it would to most people. They gave the character a typical latino surname, and obviously wanted to portray them as such, so it's a weird choice to not just cast someone that's actually latino and doesn't have to fake the accent. Now, it doesn't bother me much because she does a decent job acting so I never even noticed, but her character is a bit of a hot blooded latino stereotype, and the knowledge it's a lady named Goldstein does make me view it in a different light. People are allowed to feel different ways about things, especially when it comes to the portrayal of their own culture.
Aliens was filmed in England, where are they gonna get a bevy of "latino" actors over there? Goldstein has some South American heritage apparently, plus she was built like a brick shithouse, came from an area where she would be familiar with the Vasquez attitude Cameron wanted, how can ANYONE say they didn't get the absolute best person for the role given the limitations they had? There is no "latino" race, it's just a culture laid on top of a massive ethnic melting pot, virtually anyone can fit into it. How many light eyed blonde telenovella actresses are there?
Wildebeest
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You think this is offensive, wait until you see Starship Troopers baby.
Chuck Berry
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The androids bleed WHITE
Cant wait to burn my blu ray when I get home
Cant wait to burn my blu ray when I get home
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I didn't say she had to be brown or Mexican. I said they should have hired a Latina Actress given the surname they gave the character.
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It's pretty obvious there is no disrespect behind the acting or attempt to "brownface" in a mocking way, given the limitations of where they were filming and the qualities Goldstein (who, again, has a global family tree just like many latinos) brought to the table, I'm still not sure why you think the name of the character REQUIRES a specific regional actor to play it. Goldstein nails the look, the attitude, and the accent impeccably, it's a great case of "right actor for the part" ignoring any DEI checklist bullshit. Hell, the actress speaks spanish, was a bodybuilder, and grew up in LA, how much BETTER for the part could she be? Unless there was an ACTUAL hispanic female Marine from some southside barrio who didn't get the role I'm not aware of, it's PERFECT.
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I'm not arguing her acting ability. You ok with White people playing Native Americans too or is that a bridge too far? Where do draw the line? Is there a line?
It's pretty obvious there is no disrespect behind the acting or attempt to "brownface" in a mocking way, given the limitations of where they were filming and the qualities Goldstein (who, again, has a global family tree just like many latinos) brought to the table, I'm still not sure why you think the name of the character REQUIRES a specific regional actor to play it. Goldstein nails the look, the attitude, and the accent impeccably, it's a great case of "right actor for the part" ignoring any DEI checklist bullshit. Hell, the actress speaks spanish, was a bodybuilder, and grew up in LA, how much BETTER for the part could she be? Unless there was an ACTUAL hispanic female Marine from some southside barrio who didn't get the role I'm not aware of, it's PERFECT.
Marvel14
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What's amusing is that in a profession that is all about pretending to be something you're not, there are people who insist on representational authenticity.
It's pretty obvious there is no disrespect behind the acting or attempt to "brownface" in a mocking way, given the limitations of where they were filming and the qualities Goldstein (who, again, has a global family tree just like many latinos) brought to the table, I'm still not sure why you think the name of the character REQUIRES a specific regional actor to play it. Goldstein nails the look, the attitude, and the accent impeccably, it's a great case of "right actor for the part" ignoring any DEI checklist bullshit. Hell, the actress speaks spanish, was a bodybuilder, and grew up in LA, how much BETTER for the part could she be? Unless there was an ACTUAL hispanic female Marine from some southside barrio who didn't get the role I'm not aware of, it's PERFECT.
If Goldstein won the part on pure acting merit and she brings validity to the background she is representing through her abilities then that should be enough.
It's not possible in the current climate for Caucasians to play most minorities and it be considered valid/acceptable by the public. But Latinos are a special case because they truly are mongrels of all shades (I am one). In the case of latinos any ethnic group should be able to play one.
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TheDreadBaron
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Fair enough, but you'd have to agree since there's a lot of grey area different people may feel differently about her casting without the need to feign their feelings.
gaming_again
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But why does having your race represented in a Hollywood film matter to you? You talk as though that is the crux of an argument in and of itself, but I genuinely don't understand why that is.
Sure, why not? If they can convincingly LOOK and ACT the part, WTF do I care about the human's DNA? We got men playing women and women playing men, once you cross that rubicon does ethnicity REALLY matter?
If anything, my sticking point is EXPERIENCE. It irks me to no end when the actor can't properly say professional lingo, gets hung up on scientific terms, or throws a sloppy salute. I care more about hiring vets to play military characters and science educated actors to play professors, scientists, doctors, and engineers than I do about whether or not the actor is actually blind, is actually Jamaican, is actually a blue space cat, or whatever.
I get that a hispanic person bemoans seeing other folks play them on screen. Asians and native americans got that complaint in SPADES, as due native Africans. But guess what, so do Southern americans, mormons, anyone hoping for ANY geographic representation in western media of any historic region NOT England as "proper british english" is now the dafault accent of the ancient Greeks, Romans, Vikings, Columbus, the French, and the Golden Horde. Thats just the way it is my friend.
If you want to see lots of latinos, watch shit in spanish. Thats where they work.
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It doesnt have to be I didn't force the writers to name the character Vazquez.
FullMetalx117
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If it all it takes is this message to keep original as is, then I say whatever. Let em have it
Chuck Berry
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So youre saying Robin Williams was culturally appropriating an extraterrestrial?
Think we need a new thread here, folx
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Putonahappyface
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This blew my mind. She plays the maid in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. I must have watched that film atleast thirty times over the years and never noticed that.
I have a stupid theory, I think it's simply because of the word "alien" . A certain group doesn't like the term "illegal alien" and prefers "undocumented immigrants" Instead. So they simply flagged every piece of media that has "Alien" in its title or synopsis regardless of its content.
JayK47
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Everything that is "wrong" with this movie is why all modern movies suck. To try and make a movie today that meets all modern criteria, it is going to be bland and boring. You basically cannot make anything worth watching within the confines of modern progressives. They suck the literal life out of everything.
daffyduck
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I thought it was “irregular migrants”.
That scene is from Aliens, not Alien.
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What a weird throwaway retcon detail to add. I wonder how Veronica Cartwright felt about it! Although I doubt she was/is aware of it given how obscure this is.
That said the way its described in the text makes it seem more like a small nugget of dystopian detail that in this future parents can post natally "convert" their offspring to an arbitrary gender.
TDiddyLive
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How do we know the character Vasquez isn’t a white girl adopted and raised by a Hispanic family? Huh? Huh? HUH?
It's pretty obvious there is no disrespect behind the acting or attempt to "brownface" in a mocking way, given the limitations of where they were filming and the qualities Goldstein (who, again, has a global family tree just like many latinos) brought to the table, I'm still not sure why you think the name of the character REQUIRES a specific regional actor to play it. Goldstein nails the look, the attitude, and the accent impeccably, it's a great case of "right actor for the part" ignoring any DEI checklist bullshit. Hell, the actress speaks spanish, was a bodybuilder, and grew up in LA, how much BETTER for the part could she be? Unless there was an ACTUAL hispanic female Marine from some southside barrio who didn't get the role I'm not aware of, it's PERFECT.
