gutter_trash
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Make a nation wide poll about the 10.5M pay out, you would be surprised to learn that the majority of Canadians are against the payout
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Canadian PoliGAF - 42nd Parliament: Sunny Ways in Trudeaupia
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Don't even get me started, I had a close relative today espousing about "all the horrible things Khadr did like dropping bombs" and how "it was such a 'coincidence that this news dropped while Trudeau was out of the country #Khadrgate", among other remarks that are simply beyond explanation.
The majority of Canadians also supported the invocation of the War Measures Act during the October Crisis. Doesn't mean we don't look back at the latter as a gross restriction of human rights.
Khadr literally was blinded when a 'bomb' was dropped on the building he was in. That killed everyone around him. Just remind them of that. That was the only 'action' he ever saw
And when someone actually commissions that poll then I'm sure you'll link to it. But it's tedious discussing something with a person who doesn't even stand by their own arguments. Your hypothetical swing voter isn't in this thread and doesn't need you sticking up for them.
You already trotted out all of your Rebel Media comment section-level arguments about this case. I and other posters have countered those arguments pretty well IMO. Switching to "well I don't care but how will this play in Peoria" is disingenuous.
gutter_trash
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A necessary measure to restore order during a climate of terror.
Pierre Trudeau was right
Morrigan Stark
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Fuck that's still so good
Stephen J Crosseur and Blokeville... loool
I miss RBO
Um to be fair I don't think that's what he was referring to, and more like people accused of drug offenses in places where they risk capital punishment like Singapore or Indonesia...
matthewwhatever
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The fact you consider yourself Liberal despite the fact you have no beliefs that align with the Liberal Party -- beyond, possibly, federalism, but even there I have my doubts -- constantly baffles me.
That wildrose and Alberta PC unity vote happens in less then two weeks and there are still mixed signals to how both the wildrose and pc's will vote at this point.
Jean and Kenney both feel confident that that deal will be approved by both the wildrose and pc membership on July 22nd.
http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/alberta-conservative-leaders-confident-in-unity-deal
Kenney also called a professor that works at the university of lethbridge that popped up at a recent unity meeting a communist according to the article.
Some wildrose members also don't feel confident the deal will be approved by wildrose members.
http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/wildrose-members-step-up-opposition-to-unity-deal-with-pcs
Jean and Kenney both feel confident that that deal will be approved by both the wildrose and pc membership on July 22nd.
http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/alberta-conservative-leaders-confident-in-unity-deal
Kenney also called a professor that works at the university of lethbridge that popped up at a recent unity meeting a communist according to the article.
Some wildrose members also don't feel confident the deal will be approved by wildrose members.
http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/wildrose-members-step-up-opposition-to-unity-deal-with-pcs
Gutter Trash appears to suffer from some weird mental disorder where he has latched on to believing with every fibre of his being that not having the Liberal Party of Canada in power with a Strong Stable Majority is a huge calamity waiting to happen. As we can see, he doesn't actually seem to care about the actual VALUES of the party, so long as the party is in power.
I'd be very curious to know how he got to this point.
"Mon père votait rouge, mon grand père votait rouge, donc je vote rouge" is a common joke within my family, and it's kinda how I see Gutter_Trash. I'm just speculating tho
("my father voted red, my grandfather voted red, so I vote red")
I think he just has a cult of personality around Pierre Trudeau. Justin is blessed by springing from his loins, but imperfect even so.
Cults of personality are always authoritarian in nature, even if the person they're built around are not themselves particularly authoritarian (though I don't think it's an inaccurate description of pierre personally). So of course gutter's views reflect a certain degree of authoritarianism that's not particularly reflective of modern big-L Liberal ideology.
Cults of personality are always authoritarian in nature, even if the person they're built around are not themselves particularly authoritarian (though I don't think it's an inaccurate description of pierre personally). So of course gutter's views reflect a certain degree of authoritarianism that's not particularly reflective of modern big-L Liberal ideology.
gutter_trash
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I'm socio-econimcally Center-Left while being Center-Right on national security.
On National Unity, the Liberals are the Strongest. ++++
= LPC fits the closest to my ideologies (plural) but I am free to disagree when they get blinded
On National Unity, the Liberals are the Strongest. ++++
= LPC fits the closest to my ideologies (plural) but I am free to disagree when they get blinded
This is disheartening:
Majority of Canadians oppose Omar Khadr settlement, poll suggests (CBC)
More at the link.
Majority of Canadians oppose Omar Khadr settlement, poll suggests (CBC)
More at the link.
Thank god that justice in this country isn't bound to populist nonsense.
The SCC ruling was correct, and the Federal government made the right decision in settling this out of court.
Khadr would have likely won that $20 million lawsuit.
gutter_trash
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Told you so.
This is a lose for the Liberals and it pisses me off that they didn't see the backlash incoming for settling
6 in 10 Liberal voters disapprove of the settlement. Count me in that 6 out of 10
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
Hopefully he takes his millions and shuts up. That'd be best for the level of political discourse.
gutter_trash
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terrorism lottery is the samething as same-sex marriage now?
talk about oddest whataboutism
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
Not remotely the same thing, but yes. Even 13 out of 101 Liberals supported a motion to reinstate opposite sex-only marriages in 2006.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_the_39th_Canadian_Parliament_and_same-sex_marriage
What we're talking about here is someone who was alleged to have murdered someone essentially though, literally apples and oranges. This case will always be divisive in public opinion.
gutter_trash
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Relatives of slain U.S. soldier want urgent freeze on Omar Khadr's assets
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/omar-khadr-payment-legal-action-speer-1.4198509
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/omar-khadr-payment-legal-action-speer-1.4198509
No one disagreed with you there, most people aren't properly educated on the matter or hold biases regarding it
What about what Khadr did, do you think specifically, warrants calling him a terrorist?
I'm not surprised it's an unpopular decision. Legally I believe it was the right call to make, he was tortured and denied his rights. Sgt. Speer's family can proceed with their case against Khadr from here, but the Canadian government can move on from it and cut their losses.
firehawk12
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It's because the Constitution and Charter rights are like the most boring aspect of law (even though they're the most important, giving us abortion and marriage equality).
I want our Charter to be worth the paper it's written on, because without it, we're pretty much fucked as a society - particularly if someone decides to start making the court partisan down the line like our American friends.
gutter_trash
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Ahmed Khadr was a financier for al-Quada; his sons (including Omar) were trained in the camps for years
Yes, the father was a financier. He was a kid. What did the kid do that makes you use the term terrorist?
That poll had one hell of a leading question.
The Supreme Court already found that his imprisonment violated the Charter
I wouldn't be surprised if most people pulled off the street didn't realize that this matter has already been through the courts at least once.
sindbadthesailor
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It's very, very obvious the vast majority of people have no idea about the details about the case, specifically the whole child soldier and left to rot in gitmo and tortured for a number of years aspect of the case.
Hopefully Khadr gets his money and the americans get lost. Unlike Khadr, those guys actually volunteered to go there.
Hopefully Khadr gets his money and the americans get lost. Unlike Khadr, those guys actually volunteered to go there.
Not to mention did he even throw the grenade that resulted in the death of the US soldier, or was he unconscious under a pile of rubble when all that was going on, which suggests there is some reasonable doubt about his forced confession under torture.
gutter_trash
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posts like these are horrible,
9/11 happened,
Article 5 was invoked.
al-Quada was stationed in Afhanistan,
Egyptian born Papa Khadr was a financier for Bin Laden,
US and NATO forces interveened in Afghanistan to crush al-Quada.
al-Quada were the badguys, never forget that
As a Canadian who is not White I am VERY FUCKING GRATEFUL that my rights were not decided by a popular vote or opinion polls!
The Chinese Head Tax, the Komagatamaru, the residential schools, Ukrainian and Japanese internment, and many more things were also popular during their respective times with Canadians but that doesn't make them right.
Anyway the $10 million is nothing compared to what Harper paid in legal fees and what Khadr would win in the actual lawsuit.
Anyway the $10 million is nothing compared to what Harper paid in legal fees and what Khadr would win in the actual lawsuit.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
If we violate the charter rights of specific citizens because of a terrorist attack, then aren't we as bad as America?
Hell, I already think the secret tribunals/trials and indefinite detention is pretty fucked up, but with Khadr you have a clear violation of his rights as a Canadian.
matthewwhatever
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...and every single one of these things is irrelevant to whether or not Khadr was a child soldier whose Charter rights were violated (as ruled by the Supreme Court of Canada three times).
It'd be nice if you made even the smallest token of effort to argue anything in good faith. Like, just once.
Morrigan Stark
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Can you think that someone's rights have been violated and they deserve compensation without agreeing that said compensation should be millions of dollars, or...?
So what price would you put on years of torture and illegal confinement?
gutter_trash
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it wasn't Canada's fault. It was his Dad's, why should Canada pay for his father's crimes?
Buba Big Guns
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How many times does it need to be said that Canada violated his Charter Rights?
You'd rather he pay for his father's crimes?
Sins of the father sure is a cool concept. Any dirt in your family's past, gutter?
gutter_trash
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Meanwhile Raif Badawi is still rotting in jail for 5 years straight for the crime of free speech. Justin was pimping this case before being elected but not so much anymore eh. Gotta sell those weapons to Saudi Arabia.
I think the Khadr settlement was the right choice but it will probably be a costly decision for the government. We had Layne Morris and Tabitha Speer openly attacking the PM about this and polls seems to indicate the majority was against this.
I think the Khadr settlement was the right choice but it will probably be a costly decision for the government. We had Layne Morris and Tabitha Speer openly attacking the PM about this and polls seems to indicate the majority was against this.
When the right thing to do is balanced against the hysteria of an uneducated, hate spewing group of people, I hope our government chooses to do the right thing every single time. Bowing to public pressure when it is the wrong thing, isn't something worth political power. Plus, if they're too stupid to know that the matter was already decided by the Supreme Court, I don't really care how much they huff and puff, the case is closed.
Earthstrike
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Should've asked if he feels the sins of a father can be transferred to a child. He knows it's wrong but will spin in a way similar to that of a trump supporter. Gutter has not argued the point at all.
I wouldn't say they do nothing.
They bring the matter to the Saudi often enough that they are sick of it.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...f-jailed-blogger-raif-badawi/article35544360/
Problem is that we don't have much leverage to enforce anything on the issue.
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