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Canadian PoliGAF - 42nd Parliament: Sunny Ways in Trudeaupia
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Hey Tiktaalik, you might want to avoid using SJW like that. At this point, it is mostly used as a derogatory term for anyone remotely progressive. And frankly, I personally have a hard time taking anyone says it seriously.
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As of right now, I'm in the Angus camp. I grew up in his riding, so I have a bit of a bias, but I think with some Singh-esque style tips and better French lessons, he could be a solid leader that can reflect the whole of the party while taking a reasonable, pragmatic approach.
If I were to rank them it would be:
1. Angus
2. Caron
3. Singh
4. Ashton
Policy-wise, I like Caron but no one cares about him, and I don't think he is interesting enough to steal Quebec ridings away from Trudeau.
Singh seems like a nice and cool guy, but he just comes across as a less electable Trudeau type.
I don't really like Ashton at all.
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As of right now, I'm in the Angus camp. I grew up in his riding, so I have a bit of a bias, but I think with some Singh-esque style tips and better French lessons, he could be a solid leader that can reflect the whole of the party while taking a reasonable, pragmatic approach.
If I were to rank them it would be:
1. Angus
2. Caron
3. Singh
4. Ashton
Policy-wise, I like Caron but no one cares about him, and I don't think he is interesting enough to steal Quebec ridings away from Trudeau.
Singh seems like a nice and cool guy, but he just comes across as a less electable Trudeau type.
I don't really like Ashton at all.
Random Human
They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
This is honestly a great thing for the country, especially if it takes them a while to get anything similar going again.
Housing and UBI would be perfect
This way they could keep UBI smaller and you could basically create cities and shift people around with little hassle, opening up opportunities for those dependent on UBI (while also forcing down investment cost)
The one way to get people on UBI/free housing is to train them in a trade, have them help build the building they will live in while giving them temporary housing and pay them the UBI cost only.
They'd basically be a minimum wage or less construction force, tying this construction to a civil service, training these people so they can do this type of work now and later if it interests them and when they're done... They can do whatever they want.
This way they could keep UBI smaller and you could basically create cities and shift people around with little hassle, opening up opportunities for those dependent on UBI (while also forcing down investment cost)
The one way to get people on UBI/free housing is to train them in a trade, have them help build the building they will live in while giving them temporary housing and pay them the UBI cost only.
They'd basically be a minimum wage or less construction force, tying this construction to a civil service, training these people so they can do this type of work now and later if it interests them and when they're done... They can do whatever they want.
That's funny I don't really consider that term derogatory at all. I just used that word as a light hearted way to reference that she spends more time talking about social issues than the other candidates. I think most NDP candidates and supporters would happily embrace their SJW status.
Well, you do you, just thought I'd let you know.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
HAHAHA, another Australian senator caught up in the dual citizenship scandal. God, I guess we're lucky our founding fathers wanted to keep their British citizenship or whatever because I can't imagine the shitshow that would happen if all dual citizens were legally forced to resign their seats. I wonder if this will trigger any constitutional reforms, which again would be interesting to watch (considering we can't figure out ourselves). Although I suppose the easier thing would be to make sure all MPs and Senators quadruple check that they haven't inherited citizenship from any parents or grandparents before they run for office.
I think it's the fact that they're speaking with Bannon that's the disgusting part. Although I'm sure in the 30s or whatever you'd find pictures of Canadian politicans hanging out with Goebbels or some other Nazis. :/
I don't think it matters either way since I don't think they have a chance whatever they do. I'm pretty sure they've lost Toronto for one, short of the Liberals doing something really stupid.
matthewwhatever
Member
I don't know that I'd describe her as successful -- she's made a name for herself, to be sure, but outside of a very small number of people, I don't know many who take her seriously.
Taking the exact opposite stance from you, I think some of the criticism she gets is because of her gender, and it's hard to tell where that ends and legitimate complaints begin. I find her to be incredibly grating and kind of shrill...but at the same time, I fully recognize that "shrill" is a pretty gendered insult that's thrown at pretty much every female politician, but never any male ones. It does seem like she's prone to lecturing, and her leadership contest speech at the NDP's last leadership convention was abysmally bad in that and every other regard -- but if I'm being honest, the same could be said about Stephane Dion, and that man is, improbably, one of my all-time favourite politicians (and even the worst other people said about him was that he was a prickly academic). Honest question: are there any male politicians who'd get the same type of criticism as Ashton does?
At this point, it's too late. He's crossed the line from Angry Tom to Bitter Tom. Refighting the 2015 election in 2019 would, for the NDP, be doubling down on failure, and since he led that failure, I don't think anyone is willing to give Mulcair a second chance. If he'd be better than any of Angus/Ashton/Singh/Caron, that's more because they're not great candidates than because he's an exceptional leader in his own right.
Try to think of it this way: their schtick didn't work when they tried to confine themselves to Canada, because the market for their specific brand of hate speech is so small, it's practically non-existent, and it's certainly not commercially viable the way it is in the US. They have a much bigger following outside of the country than in...which, admittedly, doesn't say much about the rest of the world, but at least it suggests that we, as Canadians, aren't so bad in that regard.
Second point first: I think Singh would keep the NDP competitive in the GTA and Metro Vancouver, but he'd have a really difficult time keeping their Quebec seats -- not just because he's Sikh (though that obviously doesn't help), but because I have a hard time imagining Quebec lending any significant amount of support to a first-time, non-francophone leader. The same goes for Angus and Ashton -- though, depending on how effectively he sells himself as a blue collar-type, I could potentially see Angus making the NDP a little more competitive against the CPC in some parts of the country.
To your first point, it's kind of crazy that there's no candidate who veers too much from the rest of the pack. As I said a few posts up to Firehawk, you'd think that everything that's happened in Canada and the US in the last few years would embolden someone to come in and brand themselves as the maverick outsider. If Avi Lewis & co. can raise money to turn their Leap Manifesto into an NGO and get their principles endorsed by the NDP itself, that clearly indicates there's some money and support to be had there. Who knows if it's electorally viable, but given that one of the frontrunners for the CPC leadership was openly advocating for an end to national health care and a return to the gold standard, I'm stunned that there's not a single NDPer willing to take on a similar campaign from the left.
As someone who thinks Mulcair could have and probably *should have* done better in the last election if the NDP had stuck to being passionate instead of middle-roading, it's definitely too late for him to do any kind of comeback now. Maybe later after the NDP runs through some more leaders.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Rebel media vs hanging out with Bannon.
Well, NOW I hope the Liberals can completely disavow him right?
matthewwhatever
Member
Well, NOW he's no longer in a position of power, so it's no longer a story, assuming that the PM's top advisor talking to the President's top advisor was ever really a story to begin with.
Speaking of Rebel Media, headlines and stories like this are appalling: Distancing himself from The Rebel might be a defining moment for Scheer and his party
Reminder: when Andrew Scheer sat down with Faith Goldy, it was very shortly after The Rebel had covered themselves in glory with their reporting on the Quebec mosque shootings. That the CBC doesn't even mention that -- and goes on to say that Scheer could be a "calming influence" on Rebel Media -- is pretty sad.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
A perfunctory "fuck Nazis" would still be nice, because, well, fuck Nazis.
Mulcair is going to be really old by then. I don't think he will try for the NDP leadership ever again.
You are correct, in that women MPs generally face more criticism than men MPs, usually in areas when men don't like how they're dressed (I recall doing a paper on how coverage in general for women MPs focuses more on their physical appearance rather than their policies, performance in debates, etc.). I feel like there are legitimate criticisms to be had with her as a candidate that all too often people mix in with varying degrees of sexism, to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if there was an article I missed saying Ashton would be doing better than Angus if only she smiled more.
Andrew Scheer 2019: He Draws the Line at Nazis!
In all seriousness, Scheer doesn't get to wipe his hands of being on that wretched white supremacist website just because of his, and let's be frank, rather weak attempt to distance himself from Rebel. He was perfectly fine to appear on the site while they were pumping out conspiracy theories about the Quebec mosque shooter being a Muslim, posting that "Ten Things I Hate About Jews" video (yes, really...and no, i'm not linking it for obvious reasons) and having a host cry out "Deus Vult" because "Oh noes, me am see Moose Lambs, me no understand why they here". Also, for a so-called feminist, you'd think he'd take issue with Levant's sexist slant on Rachel Notley. For me, this is an example of "too little, too late". I hope Scheer gets dragged for his prior support of/connections to Rebel in 2019 and forward.
No, I don't care if I sound petulant about Goldy's Islamophobia, her remarks are vile and a perfect representation of the anti-intellectual, regressive attitude commonly held by Rebel's contributors.
As an aside, it's disturbing how few CPC MPs have openly disavowed Rebel for, well, being Rebel when you consider how many of them have appeared on that propaganda-plagued platform: https://www.pressprogress.ca/25_of_...l_media_only_two_are_willing_to_denounce_them.
As another aside, Shaun&Jen had an excellent video on Rebel's Quebec "coverage": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb9dXSkZbTY
2023 could be amazing, if only because it could be the "Canada: The Next Generation (of Politicians)".
Mike Layton 2023: NDP
Caroline Mulroney 2023: CPC (Assuming the party is still together and not split apart again)
Justin Trudeau 2023: LPC
EDIT: Apparently Carole MacNeil dragged Andrew Scheer on CBC. Anyone have a link to it?
KernelPanic
Member
I hope Scheer doesn't get a free pass from this.
gutter_trash
Banned
hahaha Sheer skating on his answers.
own it Tory
own it Tory
Everyone needs to listen to this Canadaland episode on the Rebel, because holy shit.
http://www.canadalandshow.com/podcast/ezras-bad-week/
http://www.canadalandshow.com/podcast/ezras-bad-week/
matthewwhatever
Member
Interesting poll numbers in Ontario:
If I were a betting man, even if the PCs and the Liberals are basically tied, I'd still probably give the PCs a slight advantage. Notwithstanding what the rest of the article says, if you have two-thirds of the electorate saying they want a change, that's really hard for an incumbent to overcome. Then again, the election is still a long ways off, and Brown is still a huge unknown -- there's lots of time for him to be defined in a very negative way between now and next spring.
If I were a betting man, even if the PCs and the Liberals are basically tied, I'd still probably give the PCs a slight advantage. Notwithstanding what the rest of the article says, if you have two-thirds of the electorate saying they want a change, that's really hard for an incumbent to overcome. Then again, the election is still a long ways off, and Brown is still a huge unknown -- there's lots of time for him to be defined in a very negative way between now and next spring.
Random Human
They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
I can't imagine Wynne winning, but the problem is that Brown comes across as Patrick Batemen's less charismatic brother.
"Change" being as broad a term as it is could very well mean people like the Ontario Liberals more than the PCs but hate Wynne and thus want a change in Liberal leadership. As mentioned before, that's the only way I see them clinging to a minority, let alone a majority in the next election since I doubt "change" in this context means "let's vote for the party run by the whitest cream of a man that exists".
KernelPanic
Member
They polled our house and my wife chewed them out over the hydro situation and said we are leaning PC.
They mentioned they are thinking of attaching something to houses to reduce hydro costs further(no clue what BS this was lol).
I'm still undecided really.
They mentioned they are thinking of attaching something to houses to reduce hydro costs further(no clue what BS this was lol).
I'm still undecided really.
In Ontario that is exactly what change means
gutter_trash
Banned
just off the radio.
Guy Caron is going to double-down on the Sherbrooke Declaration even further and bring in Quebec identity politics into it on top of the Bill 101 for Federal Institutions crap.
Hey NDP, wake the fuck up and don't chose this man as your next leader.
It is already enough that we have Provincial Parties hammering identity politics in Quebec all the time with their Nationalism garbage, we don't need a "Federalist" Federal Party granting further legitimacy to "Nationalistes"
http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/p...n-de-la-loi-101-aux-entreprises-federales.php
Guy Caron is going to double-down on the Sherbrooke Declaration even further and bring in Quebec identity politics into it on top of the Bill 101 for Federal Institutions crap.
Hey NDP, wake the fuck up and don't chose this man as your next leader.
It is already enough that we have Provincial Parties hammering identity politics in Quebec all the time with their Nationalism garbage, we don't need a "Federalist" Federal Party granting further legitimacy to "Nationalistes"
http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/p...n-de-la-loi-101-aux-entreprises-federales.php
Judy Foote is resigning from Cabinet and the House of Commons due to cancer issues in her family (her children all have the BRCA2 gene and, I guess, she wants to spend more time with them).
The Liberals need not worry about the eventual by-election, seeing as Foote collected 82% of the vote last time.
The Liberals need not worry about the eventual by-election, seeing as Foote collected 82% of the vote last time.
matthewwhatever
Member
Dalton McGuinty was compared pretty frequently to Norman Bates (the main character in Psycho), and that didn't seem to hurt him too much in the long run. If anything is going to take down Brown, it'll be his terrifyingly regressive beliefs, not his bland creepiness.
^^^^^
The last federal election shows what happens when the "Time for a change" voters form an overwhelming majority of the population, and one opposition party is able to get the majority of those voters behind them. It's not looking great for the Ontario Liberals, but I think they're helped by the fact that the PCs haven't done much to solidify support behind themselves.
Also, I haven't looked closely at Ontario's provincial ridings, but it wouldn't shock me if they're similar to BC's, where the parties have pretty entrenched lines. If PC support is only going way up in rural Ontario and not moving at all in the urban centres, they can't win.
There's no way Caron is winning, but I kind of understand his strategy. The Bloc is pretty much dead, and the NDP's only hope of not reverting to pre-2011 levels is keeping that soft nationalist vote. I don't think it'll be successful, since the NDP is almost certain to pick a leader from English Canada (and their membership numbers in Quebec are so abysmal, this won't help Caron's campaign), but I get where he's coming from.
Sad news. It'll be interesting to see the cabinet shuffle this leads to. The rumour I've read is that Seamus O'Regan will replace her as an Atlantic Canadian minister, but that throws the male-female balance out of whack. Maybe they add a new ministry to get another woman in cabinet?
So...Mike Duffy is back in the news for events i'm surprised he didn't partake in sooner because Mike Duffy is the leftover scum from the Harper mold in Canada's shower that has yet to be cleaned: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mike-duffy-lawyer-announcement-1.4260510
In more positive news, Canadians can now abstain from choosing "man" or "woman" on their passport: https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...se-x-option-on-passports-starting-aug-31.html
In more positive news, Canadians can now abstain from choosing "man" or "woman" on their passport: https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...se-x-option-on-passports-starting-aug-31.html
I personally would have thought he'd go with Yvonne Jones, who, in addition to being a woman, would add another indigenous person to cabinet.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I missed that he was cleared of all charges. lol
I expect the Trudeau government is more than happy to have Duffy sue the government for Canada since they can just bring up that he's a Conservative any time anyone brings it up.
I kinda want people to say the government should settle.
matthewwhatever
Member
She'd be a pretty good choice too. I wouldn't be surprised if we had slightly larger shuffle. At the very least, they could replace Foote, and divide up Chagger's portfolios so she isn't House Leader, Minister of Small Business, and Minister of Tourism. I don't know where else they'd move people, but they'll have to hurry if they want to do it before the cabinet/caucus retreats in a few weeks.
Did you read the story? It sounds like he'd be more than happy to bash the Conservatives himself:
I mean, it's unfortunate that it's ultimately all of our money he's going after, but if he wants a platform to remind everyone of how terrible the CPC is, I wouldn't want to get in his way.
gutter_trash
Banned
big Léger poll on Provincial, Federal NDP leadership and other issues like access to English education for province of Quebec.
even if Qc Provincial election is one year away, it feels that the election they are in campaign mode. Especially with the "Nationalistes" parties (CAQ and PQ) trying to use the migrant "crisis" as fuel for populism. But the CAQ is gaining steem over the PQ, even if the PQ is trying hard go full xeno.
http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2017/08/26/legault-et-la-caq--cimentent-leur-remontee
http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/q...onfirme-la-caq-comme-alternative-en-gestation
the most important number above is the the 2nd place number in Montreal area. The CAQ has overtime gained in the 450 suburbs but never was able to gain inside the 514 island, now they are beating the PQ for 2nd place in the greater metropolitan area.
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Federal poll for the Province:
Trudeau has dropped 6 points due to his handling of the migrant "crisis" while Sheer improved over Ambrose's number.
LPC: 43%
NDP: 19 %
Bloc: 16 %
CPC: 15%
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NDP leadership poll in the province:
most important number: 58% = I don't know LOL
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http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/q...i-a-un-acces-plus-facile-aux-ecoles-anglaises
Quebec parents want improved access to English schools for their kids:
60% of Quebec parents want to see a softening of Bill 101's restrictions so they could have more access to English schools (elemetnry and secondary).
53 % of Quebec parents want to see a breech in the French Language Charter for it to be more flexible.
***Bill 101 prohibits non-Anglophones from having access to English Elementry and Secondary schools. Many Francophone parents want their kids to have better quality of learning English***
even if Qc Provincial election is one year away, it feels that the election they are in campaign mode. Especially with the "Nationalistes" parties (CAQ and PQ) trying to use the migrant "crisis" as fuel for populism. But the CAQ is gaining steem over the PQ, even if the PQ is trying hard go full xeno.
http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2017/08/26/legault-et-la-caq--cimentent-leur-remontee
http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/q...onfirme-la-caq-comme-alternative-en-gestation
the most important number above is the the 2nd place number in Montreal area. The CAQ has overtime gained in the 450 suburbs but never was able to gain inside the 514 island, now they are beating the PQ for 2nd place in the greater metropolitan area.
----
Federal poll for the Province:
Trudeau has dropped 6 points due to his handling of the migrant "crisis" while Sheer improved over Ambrose's number.
LPC: 43%
NDP: 19 %
Bloc: 16 %
CPC: 15%
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NDP leadership poll in the province:
most important number: 58% = I don't know LOL
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http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/q...i-a-un-acces-plus-facile-aux-ecoles-anglaises
Quebec parents want improved access to English schools for their kids:
60% of Quebec parents want to see a softening of Bill 101's restrictions so they could have more access to English schools (elemetnry and secondary).
53 % of Quebec parents want to see a breech in the French Language Charter for it to be more flexible.
***Bill 101 prohibits non-Anglophones from having access to English Elementry and Secondary schools. Many Francophone parents want their kids to have better quality of learning English***
NeoZeedeater
Member
I'm amazed how things like this are legal in Quebec. It seems like a direct violation of section 15 Charter rights.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
It's because allophones usually send their kids to English school otherwise, resulting in newer generations of non-French speakers. It honestly makes sense considering the status of the French language.
The solution is just to improve education of English as a second language. It's always been kind of shit unless you go in immersion classes.
Also: fuck la CAQ sérieux
The solution is just to improve education of English as a second language. It's always been kind of shit unless you go in immersion classes.
Also: fuck la CAQ sérieux
killer rin
Member
Just spitballing, but I wonder if a good solution to this would be to alternate French and English every other day. Granted I'm from Ontario, but I remember when I was in Grades 1-8 it was pretty common to alternate the subjects you learned day-to-day so it would be say Monday, Wednesday, Half of Friday would be half the subjects and Tuesday, Thursday and the other Half of Friday would be the other half.
So I wonder if they could do something similar with French/English education. Something like Monday, Wednesday, Friday are taught in French and Tuesday and Thursday are taught in English.
gutter_trash
Banned
Pierre Trudeau's biggest failure was the inclusion of the "Non-Whistanding Clause" in the Constitution.
which renders the Canadian Consitiution more of a joke when a Province can OPT OUT with their own Non-Constiutional laws.
Quebec school boards were Religious Based in the past.. Catholic, Protestant
Even if Italians were Catholic; they weren't felt welcome in schools ran by the Francophone Catholic School Boards during the 1960s and 70s so many parents sent they kids to English language Protestant Schools even their kids were Catholic because the English schools were more "welcoming" towards 1st genaration immigrant kids and 2nd generation kids.
Quebec's French problem also stems from their unwelcoming of "others" during the 20th Century. Instead of being "welcoming" they shoved "others" onto the side where the Anglos took adventeage of it and took them in.
Bill 101 was created 40 years ago in 1977 by the PQ to restict education based on parents' mother toungue.
Systemic xenophobia was sky high in the 1970s and 1980s. Even towards White European Catholic Non-Francophones just because they didn't have French names. So Image how it was for Persons of Colour and non-Catholics.
Even wehen I thought things calmed down, I witnessed it again as an young adult in 1995 where all Non-Francophones were "the enemy" because of their opposition to the 1995 Referendum.
Fuck the PQ
matthewwhatever
Member
Federal poll for the Province:
Trudeau has dropped 6 points due to his handling of the migrant "crisis" while Sheer improved over Ambrose's number.
LPC: 43%
NDP: 19 %
Bloc: 16 %
CPC: 15%
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NDP leadership poll in the province:
most important number: 58% = I don't know LOL
For the federal poll, I'm curious what'll happen to those numbers after the NDP pick their leader. Barring a shocking upset, the next leader won't be Quebecois, won't have any ties to Quebec (unlike Layton and Mulcair), and won't speak flawless French (in fact, if it's Angus, the next leader will be learning French on the job). I don't think the NDP will keep those voters, but I also have no idea where they'll go. The BQ seems to have run its course, and Scheer's appeal is limited to conservatives in Quebec City. Maybe a Solidaire-style party at the federal level?
And I don't think that the NDP poll is worth anything. There are, like, 3-4k total members in the province, so the odds that Leger -- great though they may be -- had a sample that included those people in any significant way is nil. I don't doubt that Caron will get most of his support from Quebec, but the vote totals there will be dwarfed by the numbers from BC and Toronto.
ETA: this is quite possibly the worst statement/response to an issue I've ever seen in my life. On the language/religion/Quebec stuff, Caron started the debate in the first place by saying he was for legislated secularism, Ashton decided to follow him by saying her position was similar to Caron's, Angus came out against it, and Singh...apparently doesn't have a cellphone?
gutter_trash
Banned
It's political suicide for them.
Quebec politics = nationalism pissing contest
"je suis plus Nationalist que toé" and so on
What's saving Couillard is a strong economy and low unemployment
The White Paper and usage of the War Measures Act in 1970 say hi.
Nah, I'd have to agree with gutter_trash with this one. The "Not-Withstanding Clause" has zero place in a constitutional document. As Chretien once put it (paraphrasing), the only cost to using it is political capital -- which only makes sense in a non-partisan, non-populist environment.
That, by itself, is the worst thing PET has ever done.
And that the others are a big joke.
Well I'm
Mixed on the BC NDP making good one their promise to nerf the tolls on the Port Mann bridge. Good because it will save my wife $130 a month in tolls.
Bad because I'm sure it will increase traffic so she'll spend even more time away from home. Plus I'm wondering how it's gonna be paid for. I think tolls are fair, just a lower rate.
Mixed on the BC NDP making good one their promise to nerf the tolls on the Port Mann bridge. Good because it will save my wife $130 a month in tolls.
Bad because I'm sure it will increase traffic so she'll spend even more time away from home. Plus I'm wondering how it's gonna be paid for. I think tolls are fair, just a lower rate.
~ Zyzomys ~
Member
From my personal experience this is not accurate. I am an Anglophone from southern Ontario and my two children attend English schools in the Outaouais. One is starting CEGEP and the other grade 7. My oldest is fluently bilingual while my youngest is well on her way. The Quebec education system does know how to teach French. I do agree that my children do and always will self identify as Anglophones - which may well be what you are saying (and I added nothing to the conversation). Carry on.
The bridges will be paid for by new debt, which shouldn't really be that controversial, since the bridges were already not being fully paid for by the tolls, so we were already going into debt to pay for them anyway.
This policy is a good example of the idiological differences between BC NDP and BC Liberal parties. The BC Liberals advocated tolls so that the users of the bridge for their new infrastructure, however this is regressive in that this disproportionately affects the working poor more than the wealthy. The NDP position is to have the bridge paid for with debt which would be serviced by general revenue, which comes from progressive income taxes.
I am a strong advocate of pricing bridges to control congestion, but having tolls on just two bridges in the region was a deeply flawed concept, as people would simply drive to another bridge to avoid a toll and this has been causing all sorts of problems. It's good that the NDP got rid of the tolls for this reason. That being said, the region does need to move to some sort of comprehensive road pricing that would affect the road network and all bridges in the same way (eg. $1.50 toll all bridges) .
Removing the tolls on these bridges may just be the first step toward mobility pricing. The NDP has announced a Mobility Pricing Independent Commission to investigate road pricing and they'll be reporting back in Spring.
The big question is whether the NDP will actually accept the commission's findings if it recommends some new road pricing system. Adding any new costs to drivers always seems deeply unpopular and politically dangerous. This idea of pitching a problem to a committee is of course the exact same play that Trudeau made with electoral reform and we saw how that went. Perhaps the NDP are being genuine, but they could be constructing a framework to back out of the idea too.
gutter_trash
Banned
NDP French language debate:
http://www.cpac.ca/en/programs/cpac-special/episodes/52594293
Angus' French quality is functional. Yeah his accent is heavy but it is competitive with Sheer's.
What I mean by functional, is that he is thinking clearly and getting his points across.
Sheer spaces out his words apart and speaks slowly, overthinking how to construct his phrase. Angus pieces his words quicker but just with a thick accent.
So Angus vs Sheer in French. Angus' is slight better .
***Angus is now adopting the Sherbrooke Declaration as well. Facepalm, fuck the NDP and their Bill 101 ball washing
so both Caron and Angus are FOR the Sherbrooke Declartion
I want Singh to win the Leadership
http://www.cpac.ca/en/programs/cpac-special/episodes/52594293
Angus' French quality is functional. Yeah his accent is heavy but it is competitive with Sheer's.
What I mean by functional, is that he is thinking clearly and getting his points across.
Sheer spaces out his words apart and speaks slowly, overthinking how to construct his phrase. Angus pieces his words quicker but just with a thick accent.
So Angus vs Sheer in French. Angus' is slight better .
***Angus is now adopting the Sherbrooke Declaration as well. Facepalm, fuck the NDP and their Bill 101 ball washing
so both Caron and Angus are FOR the Sherbrooke Declartion
I want Singh to win the Leadership
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