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Canelo Alvarez vs Gennady 'GGG' Golovkin -Saturday September 16th |OT| This is Boxing
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i don't disagree, but i do think that canelo had the harder strikes than golovkin.
canelo's defence was really good.
teddy going in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwH4eA3C2mc
No, but there were a couple of shots that caught Canelo's attention and made him back up for awhile. A lot of times he kept trying to run the clock without even trying to engage to steal a round.
Thornton Reed
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Oh my god teddy atlas looses his shit
Imp the Dimp
Member
Being aggressive doesn't necessarily win you the round unless the other guy does nothing in return. Many of the all time greats were counter-punchers whose gameplan revolved around the opponent coming forward and throwing the first punch.
I for one think that
1) Golovkin has slowed down a bit (but not enough for it to be an excuse for not winning tonight)
2) Golovkin's been demystified. Alvarez is his only A tier opponent and Golovkin couldn't beat him. Come on, he is absolutely not as good as advertised and profited from a poor division. People who compare him to Hagler and the likes need to step back.
Counter-punchers generally do better in rematches because they got their opponent timed. Golovkin's relentless pressure makes for entertaining fights but be real, the guy is a bit one-dimensional and he's in his mid 30s. He ain't gonna change shit come the rematch. Canelo already proved to be more versatile, more skilled, more defenseively gifted, more accurate, but a bit less busy, which I don't think is that big a deal. Canelo will handily win the rematch, especially if he waits another 9-12 months with Golovkin steadily slowing down due to age.
Haha, that's certainly one way to spin it.
I didn't think Golovkin had the endurance to go 12 against a young fighter like Canelo in this style of a fight. Not only did he have it but Canelo actually looked more tired than him for many of those rounds. Pretty crazy. At that age to just keep coming at him like that over and over again while throwing 700 punches. Relentless Kazakh conditioning.
Imp the Dimp
Member
He had no A tier opponents, that's hardly a spin. Jacobs was his best opponent and he ain't A level by any standard.
Alvarez was his first test for greatness and Golovkin failed.
So the second test for greatness that Canelo has failed?
reggieandTFE
Member
This wouldn't have anything to do with everyone ducking him for years. Or fighters like COUGH COUGH Alvarez COUGH dropping a belt to avoid fighting him in his prime.
Imp the Dimp
Member
*shrug* Mayweather is better. Golovkin about as good as Canelo at 160. Lara fight was close. Overall Canelo has a good resume and will go down as a very good, maybe great fighter when all is said and done. He is a P4P top 10 boxer at the moment and absolutely A tier. 160 is not his weight class and he withstood the contemporary champ. Last night's fight did not hurt Canelo's legacy because his 154 resume has some impressive depth and he was the slight underdog. Golovkin's legacy ain't so hot in comparison. In 20 years who'll go crazy over the guy whose best wins are Jacobs, Murray, Lemieux? Golovkin's career reminds me of Tyson's without getting upset by an underdog and without ever stepping up for the big fights. KOing second rate fighter spectacularly with an in-your-face style that's entertaining for most people.
Ridiculous genes too id imagine.
Impressive resume lol Cotto and a gifted decision against Lara, oh he beat a 41 year old Mosley too lol.
Imp the Dimp
Member
Nice salt. I thought the bitterness on the internet over a Canelo win would keep me up these nights, but a draw did the job too.
Canelo's best wins:
1. Cotto
2. Lara (controversial but about as much of a robbery as tonight's fight)
3. Trout
4. Chavez Jr.
5. Khan (or Kirkland, I don't know. I don't rate Kirkland)
That's a good resume. Golovkin's best wins? Jacobs, Lemieux, Geale, Murray, no idea, other than Jacobs his opponents are all kinda similar in terms of skill level.
thehypocrite
Member
Gifted decision? This is how you know someone doesn't respect the sport. Canelo fighting Lara has nothing to do with gifts. It was a risky fight, it was not a money fight, fight with only downsides in a sport that any fight can be your last is no gift. The fight was close but I disagree with your judgement that Canelo was gifted the decision, close yes, gifted? C'mon.
TheAuldTriangle
Neo Member
Eh, GGG was the aggressor, but Canelo landed more cleanly.
GrizzleBoy
Banned
Golovkin did lose a lot more from the draw tbh.
He's the bigger, heavier, taller, longer armed guy with more power and couldn't trouble or hurt a bulked up welterweight who got tired from carrying the extra pounds to make the fight at middleweight, and just couldn't do anything significant in the fight.
On the other hand, Canelo moved up, took big punches from one of the most respected punchers in that division and waved them off, looking like the better fighter when he had the fuel. When he had the stamina, he was ripping Golovkin from the first bell. The moment he gassed and had no pop left in his punches Golovkin could just walk and throw as he liked with the weight and size difference. And even then he wasn't dominating Canelo.
Put it this way, if Golovkin was a true welterweight like Canelo, Golovkin would get destroyed. If Canelo was a true middleweight like Golovkin, Golovkin would still get destroyed.
My point is, when their handicaps are put into the equation, Canelo did better than Golovkin.
He's the bigger, heavier, taller, longer armed guy with more power and couldn't trouble or hurt a bulked up welterweight who got tired from carrying the extra pounds to make the fight at middleweight, and just couldn't do anything significant in the fight.
On the other hand, Canelo moved up, took big punches from one of the most respected punchers in that division and waved them off, looking like the better fighter when he had the fuel. When he had the stamina, he was ripping Golovkin from the first bell. The moment he gassed and had no pop left in his punches Golovkin could just walk and throw as he liked with the weight and size difference. And even then he wasn't dominating Canelo.
Put it this way, if Golovkin was a true welterweight like Canelo, Golovkin would get destroyed. If Canelo was a true middleweight like Golovkin, Golovkin would still get destroyed.
My point is, when their handicaps are put into the equation, Canelo did better than Golovkin.
Of the media and personality scores 51 have GGG win, 7 draw and 4 Canelo. The 4 for Canelo are 2 Golden Boy promoters and 2 other Mexican boxers.
GGG will never get a decision against Canelo, that's proven now, and I can't see him knocking Canelo out. Canelo handled his power, has great defence and knows he can back up and slip left for 12 rounds and won't be in danger of losing on decision. So I don't see how GGG wins the rematch.
GGG will never get a decision against Canelo, that's proven now, and I can't see him knocking Canelo out. Canelo handled his power, has great defence and knows he can back up and slip left for 12 rounds and won't be in danger of losing on decision. So I don't see how GGG wins the rematch.
I know mexicans are bias, but come on you guys can not seriously say that was a win or a draw for Canelo. All the media in Mexico is saying this fight was Canelo's and that there was nothing controversial about it, like WTF, how deluded can you be?
Remember, these people are the ones who also believe Mexico are contenders in every world cup.
Remember, these people are the ones who also believe Mexico are contenders in every world cup.
lol oh please, I like how you had to throw in the soccer shade in there too for no apparent reason.
Bits N Pieces
Member
Not as much as Imp the Dimp, lol.
thehypocrite
Member
Ok. But this isn't how boxing is scored.
NyMartin90
Member
Gennady benefitted from last night by winning a lot of Mexican fans. I love how he said he "wanted a Mexican fight." Implying Canelo wasn't fighting Mexican style of aggression. At the end of the night a crowd that was cheering Canelo was cheering for GGG during the interviews with Canelo getting some boos.
Thanks for that insight.
RealityPales
Member
I wasn't aware boxing was scored in one universal way. People are impressionable in very different ways, and this was another example in a long list of that in this sport.
perineumlick
Member
I'm good with the draw; neither guy dominated, both had their moments, I would say that Canelo has more of those moments. He countered Golovkin with some great shots that probably would have dropped lesser fighters, and he shrugged off or slipped Golovkin's best stuff. He also did great bodywork, something that GGG is known for too but was sorely lacking in this fight. Everyone that I've spoken to that thought GGG won point to his aggressiveness, but I just don't think he took advantage of it.
PleaseDontBanMe
Banned
I'm a fan of Canelo but there's not way this is a draw
GGG clearly dominated the fight
GGG clearly dominated the fight
GeordieMark
Member
I enjoyed the fight and the draw wasn't an unexpected result. Canelo had most of the highlights, but GGG was more consistent throughout the fight. Neither did enough to win it though.
The 118 - 110 score was offensively bad and stinks.
Fun fight.
Not surprised by the draw. It was close enough that some bullshit was bound to occur.
Biggest surprise was how easily they took each others shots.
Though maybe they were not going all the way into their punches because of respect for the other guy.
I expect the rematch to have both guys taking more chances. We will of course get a rubber match to decide it once and for all.
Not surprised by the draw. It was close enough that some bullshit was bound to occur.
Biggest surprise was how easily they took each others shots.
Though maybe they were not going all the way into their punches because of respect for the other guy.
I expect the rematch to have both guys taking more chances. We will of course get a rubber match to decide it once and for all.
SSGMUN10000
Connoisseur Of Tedium
Had a chance to watch the a replay without any commentary and score the fight. When watching it live I thought it was close but would have given the edge to GGG.
Here is my score based off the replay -
1 - Golovkin
2 - Canelo
3 - Canelo
4 - Golovkin
5 - Golovkin
6 - Canelo
7 - Golovkin
8 - Canelo
9 - Canelo
10 - Golovkin
11 - Canelo
12 - Canelo
115 - 113 Canelo
Some of the rounds were close, I had to re-watch some of them to get the round right. Obviously the judges dont have this luxury and do it live. I agree that the 118-110 score was absurd. With that being said it was a good fight and I am eager for the rematch.
Here is my score based off the replay -
1 - Golovkin
2 - Canelo
3 - Canelo
4 - Golovkin
5 - Golovkin
6 - Canelo
7 - Golovkin
8 - Canelo
9 - Canelo
10 - Golovkin
11 - Canelo
12 - Canelo
115 - 113 Canelo
Some of the rounds were close, I had to re-watch some of them to get the round right. Obviously the judges dont have this luxury and do it live. I agree that the 118-110 score was absurd. With that being said it was a good fight and I am eager for the rematch.
Don't take this one away from Breidis Prescott.
BrownWalrus
Member
lol giving 6, 8 and 9 to Canelo
thehypocrite
Member
There's a universal way for scoring in boxing. Maybe the OP for other boxing fights should have this to inform the discussion a little bit.
http://coolmaterial.com/feature/how-to-score-a-boxing-match/
Notice how the link posted doesn't disagree with what I said.
Yeah. 8-9 Canelo spent the entire round on the ropes getting hit over and over. He wasn't working nearly enough to warrant a 10-9 unless you give him points for good defending and that's not how this works. 5 and 6 were the rounds where people thought GGG finally showed up to the fight so giving Canelo 6 seems like a stretch as well.
thehypocrite
Member
I fail to see how he imposed his style or will on Canelo.
Pretty similar to my thoughts. GGG got the better of it on my card but I think a more consistent Canelo can beat Golovkin. He also needs to employ that sneaky body work with more regularity.
The Khan KO was satisfying as fuck.
Rastafarian42
Member
Canelo winning those last three rounds got him the draw.
NyMartin90
Member
Yea if Gennady solidified one of those rounds it would've been good for him to get the full win.
Rastafarian42
Member
Yeah he was outworking Canelo in the middle rounds up until that point. They don't call 10-12 the championship rounds for nothing.
SSGMUN10000
Connoisseur Of Tedium
Go watch a re-play of those rounds and let me know if you still think Golovkin dominated them. Round 9 if I remember correctly is where Canelo landed that monster uppercut. Also in a few of those rounds Canelo would win the first minute and half to 2 minutes and then Golovkin would come on. On initial view it did seem that Golovkin won the rounds mentioned.
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