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Cat Stevens denied entry into the United States

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Spike Spiegel

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They talked about it this morning on GMA. I didn't catch all of it, but there was something about him giving money to charities and organizations in the 80s and 90s that have since been linked to Al-Qaeda.
 
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ManDudeChild

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Spike Spiegel said:
They talked about it this morning on GMA. I didn't catch all of it, but there was something about him giving money to charities and organizations in the 80s and 90s that have since been linked to Al-Qaeda.
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Not taking sides here, but the question is: did he knwo the charities and organizations had terrorism connections. Assuming that is the reason is true. I mean there have been reports of charities that seemingly look normal as doing that, right?
 
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bionic77

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Spike Spiegel said:
They talked about it this morning on GMA. I didn't catch all of it, but there was something about him giving money to charities and organizations in the 80s and 90s that have since been linked to Al-Qaeda.
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Ok, but if he is a citizen as I understand it you can't deny him entry into the United States. You can arrest a citizen once they are admitted, but as I understand immigration law you can't deny entry to a US citizen. Who knows, maybe he became a British citizen?
 
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Spike Spiegel

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bionic77 said:
Ok, but if he is a citizen as I understand it you can't deny him entry into the United States. You can arrest a citizen once they are admitted, but as I understand immigration law you can't deny entry to a US citizen. Who knows, maybe he became a British citizen?
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Is he a US citizen? I thought he was from the UK.
 
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bionic77

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Spike Spiegel said:
Is he a US citizen? I thought he was from the UK.
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Good question, that would explain why he was denied admission. For some reason I thought he was from Cali, but I don't know a lot about him.
 
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Lucky Forward

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He is a UK citizen. Some years ago when author Salman Rushdie was in trouble with Muslims for his book "The Satanic Verses", Cat Stevens publicly called for his execution. "Peace Train" indeed...
 
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FightyF

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This is and the other fellow who also spoke out against Islamic Terrorism...2 guys in the span of a couple of months!

WTF is the Bush Administration thinking?

It's as if the best thing to happen to the Bush administration was 9/11 and Osama bin Laden.

That's a great quote, if I reword it..."Osama bin Laden was the best thing to happen to the Bush Administration." Feel free to swap OBL with "9/11".
 
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FightyF

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They talked about it this morning on GMA. I didn't catch all of it, but there was something about him giving money to charities and organizations in the 80s and 90s that have since been linked to Al-Qaeda.
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Well the CIA actually trained some of these people in the 80s. Are we going to hold the CIA accountable for directly aiding Al Qaeda? And also consider the fact that all the US based organization that were originally charged with financially assisting Al Qaeda had their charges dropped. In one case it was because some guy had a picture of Osama bin Laden when he was a teen, in a group picture, on his computer.

Besides these points, my main point is that the Bush Admin is burning bridges with their strongest ally against terrorism, which shows me that they aren't really interested in destroying terrorism, but using it for their own benefits.
 
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ManDudeChild

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Fight for Freeform said:
Well the CIA actually trained some of these people in the 80s. Are we going to hold the CIA accountable for directly aiding Al Qaeda? And also consider the fact that all the US based organization that were originally charged with financially assisting Al Qaeda had their charges dropped. In one case it was because some guy had a picture of Osama bin Laden when he was a teen, in a group picture, on his computer.

Besides these points, my main point is that the Bush Admin is burning bridges with their strongest ally against terrorism, which shows me that they aren't really interested in destroying terrorism, but using it for their own benefits.
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That's another great point. If they can split hairs to this extreme, then the opposite should also happent to even it out. Now if only I could remember the name of the guy the U.S. helped out in Afghanistan in the 80's against the Soviet Union. On the tip of my tongue ...
 
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bionic77

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ManDudeChild said:
That's another great point. If they can split hairs to this extreme, then the opposite should also happent to even it out. Now if only I could remember the name of the guy the U.S. helped out in Afghanistan in the 80's against the Soviet Union. On the tip of my tongue ...
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John Kerry?
 
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Ripclawe

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My take will always be when people like Cat support filth like hamas, they are all gutter trash who mock/trash Islam and Muslims alike with their radical views. I have long since passed that point where I make excuses or try to "understand their pain" nonsense. Radical Muslims like these are a disaster and complete mockery of Islam which I grew up in. I hold myself up proud to be a moderate in matters such as this.


I can't help it if I wish wicked deaths on groups like Hamas and locally members of the Jamaat-al-Muslimeen group that in the name of ISLAM! tried a coup in Trinidad. The fact all 114 members were giving amnesty and not hung from the nearest set of trees does piss me off.
 
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ManDudeChild

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Ripclawe said:
My take will always be when people like Cat support filth like hamas, they are all gutter trash who mock/trash Islam and Muslims alike with their radical views. I have long since passed that point where I make excuses or try to "understand their pain" nonsense. Radical Muslims like these are a disaster and complete mockery of Islam which I grew up in. I hold myself up proud to be a moderate in matters such as this.


I can't help it if I wish wicked deaths on groups like Hamas and locally members of the Jamaat-al-Muslimeen group that in the name of ISLAM! tried a coup in Trinidad. The fact all 114 members were giving amnesty and not hung from the nearest set of trees does piss me off.
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Well aren't you an upstanding person. A real humanitarian.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4040310-103681,00.html

I think the most likely scenario is that, assuming any money was given, it was without his knowledge.
 
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If anyone has heard Cat Stevens music before and after his conversion, they'd realize that he's probably one of the most peace loving dudes around. Plus, he has publicly spoken out against attacks against innocents.
 
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bionic77

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Ripclawe said:
My take will always be when people like Cat support filth like hamas, they are all gutter trash who mock/trash Islam and Muslims alike with their radical views. I have long since passed that point where I make excuses or try to "understand their pain" nonsense. Radical Muslims like these are a disaster and complete mockery of Islam which I grew up in. I hold myself up proud to be a moderate in matters such as this.


I can't help it if I wish wicked deaths on groups like Hamas and locally members of the Jamaat-al-Muslimeen group that in the name of ISLAM! tried a coup in Trinidad. The fact all 114 members were giving amnesty and not hung from the nearest set of trees does piss me off.
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Cat Stevens sure doesn't sound like an extremist. How many people actually check out where their charitable donations go to? You just ASSUME when people are taking money for a good cause that it won't go to terrorists. I don't see why he gets heat about this unless they have proof that he knew he was raising money for terrorists. But, if he was raising money for "orphaned children of Palestian" or something and then the money went to Hamas, how the hell can he be held responsible for that when it is the people accepting the donations who are at fault.
 
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Ripclawe

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Cat Stevens sure doesn't sound like an extremist.
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http://www.fact-index.com/c/ca/cat_stevens.html

His comments in 1989 concerning Salman Rushdie after the publication of Rushdie's novel The Satanic Verses provoked controversy. During this time period an Islamic fatwa (religious ruling) was issued, holding that it was an obligation of Muslims to kill Salman Rushdie. Yusuf Islam publicly stated that Rushdie was indeed guilty of blasphemy against Islam, and Rushdie deserved to be killed. This led to a public outcry, and a drop in record sales. In response to this criticism, Yusuf Islam has since clarified that he believes that a death sentence can only be carried out by the authority of a court in an Islamic society, and that he is opposed to anyone taking the law into their own hands by murdering Rushdie.

During the Gulf War he raised further controversy by his comments in support of Saddam Hussein.
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As I said gutter trash who represents the filth side of Islam which I don't support and wish gone.
 
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Firest0rm

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Ripclawe he's not perfect, no one is. Although he seems to have taken a bit of a wrong understanding of Islam, he's not filth. Your going over board here.
 
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Ripclawe

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Firest0rm said:
Ripclawe he's not perfect, no one is. Although he seems to have taken a bit of a wrong understanding of Islam, he's not filth. Your going over board here.
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calling for the murder of an author because you don't like his book is wrong, no excuse for it. I am tired of people jumping to the defense of these people who have taken Islam, mocked and perverted it to the point of no return. I refuse to allow excuses for this kind of stupidity as a "bit of a wrong understanding" He knew damn well what he was saying.

He also said he was wrong about many of the views he took in the past and doesn't take a black and white view on everything as he did when he first converted.
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he converted in 1978, this wasn't close to being when he first converted, he only changed his stance because of a public backlash, not because he saw the light.
 
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What are you people mad about? If there is reason to believe that someone gave money to a widely recognized Islamic terrorist group, then they should not be allowed in a country that has been and still is a target of Islmaic terrorists.

Who gives a shit if the person is a quasi-celebrity who was quoted in a newspaper saying he disapproved of terrorism? You're going to ignore INS regulations for that? That's absurd.
 
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MASB

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The INS probably thought he was a threat because he might break out into song and sing "It's A Wild World" in Arabic. ;) As for the charges, I don't know. If he knew they were bad organizations when he contributed to them, I guess that would be enough justification. But how to prove he had any knowledge. As for some of his statements, yeah it's clear he has or had a screw loose, but he's a celebrity. It's their job to act that way. ;)
 
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Mermandala

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Cat Stevens meet Dog Chapman.

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ShadowRed

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Ripclawe said:
calling for the murder of an author because you don't like his book is wrong, no excuse for it. I am tired of people jumping to the defense of these people who have taken Islam, mocked and perverted it to the point of no return. I refuse to allow excuses for this kind of stupidity as a "bit of a wrong understanding" He knew damn well what he was saying.
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I read that he said he was missquoted. What he said was that he thought that the Satanic Versus was blasphamis but that he didn't support calling for his death. He's said this many time yet people always requote the intial report.
 
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iapetus

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Ripclawe said:
calling for the murder of an author because you don't like his book is wrong, no excuse for it
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There speaks a man who has never read anything by Piers Anthony.
 
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Deg

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I find it amusing they stick to a very specific profile for security etc. And then UK parliament gets stormed by posh countryboys instead :p
 
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videogamer

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Deg said:
I find it amusing they stick to a very specific profile for security etc. And then UK parliament gets stormed by posh countryboys instead :p
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heh or Buckingham palace somehow lets Batman get through
 
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Chrono

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Ripclawe said:
I can't help it if I wish wicked deaths on groups like Hamas and locally members of the Jamaat-al-Muslimeen group that in the name of ISLAM! tried a coup in Trinidad. The fact all 114 members were giving amnesty and not hung from the nearest set of trees does piss me off.
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Hung from the nearest set of trees... Are you insane? That achieves NOTHING.


btw are you a muslim or just a guy who cares about the image of islam (not being like he wants it to :p) ?
 
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nitewulf

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meh, cat stevens isnt quite normal, he's sorta deranged. he's a brainwashed muslim, the worst kind. actually all the people who convert into whatever religion/cult to "find a purpose" for their meaningless lives usually lean too much into whatever it is they get involved in.
 
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Ripclawe

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seems that Cat Stevens is not so innocent, He is either a fool or a liar.

http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=572cea4b-839c-4080-9999-f53611a46aba

TORONTO - Yusuf Islam, the British singer formerly known as Cat Stevens, was the guest of honour at a Toronto fundraising dinner hosted by an organization that has since been identified by the Canadian government as a "front" for the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas.

In a videotape of the 1998 event obtained by the National Post, Mr. Islam describes Israel as a "so-called new society" created by a "so-called religion" and urges the audience to donate to the Jerusalem Fund for Human Services to "lessen the suffering of our brothers and sisters in Palestine and the Holy Land."

The Jerusalem Fund is one of four "fronts" named in a secret Privy Council Office memo that was sent to Jean Chretien, then prime minister, on May 23, 2000, discussing what it called groups that "have unsavoury links with terrorism.
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He was expelled from the United States for national security reasons. "Yusuf Islam was placed on the watch list because of activities that could be potentially related to terrorism," a spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security told reporters.

The expulsion was criticized by Muslim groups, and Mr. Islam denies any ties to terrorism. "I never knowingly gave any terrorist group money," he said after being deported from Israel in 2000. "I've given to poor people and hospitals. I've helped to buy ambulances in the Holy Land. Obviously quite clear and supportable aims."

But on June 20, 1998, Mr. Islam gave the keynote address at a Jerusalem Fund fundraising dinner held in Toronto. The event was videotaped, and a copy was obtained by the SITE Institute, a U.S. terrorism research organization.
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FightyF

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My take will always be when people like Cat support filth like hamas, they are all gutter trash who mock/trash Islam and Muslims alike with their radical views. I have long since passed that point where I make excuses or try to "understand their pain" nonsense. Radical Muslims like these are a disaster and complete mockery of Islam which I grew up in. I hold myself up proud to be a moderate in matters such as this.
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Well you do know that initially Hamas was supported by Israel, right?

You're a uneducated hypocrite. Don't paint yourself in any other image.

Oh, and I liked how you referred to that National Post article. Don't you have your own equivelent, the National Enquirer? :lol:
 
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Ripclawe

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Well you do know that initially Hamas was supported by Israel, right?
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Hamas back then was just a political wing and it served a purpose by being opposed to arafat, then the militants took over in the 80's and turned it into islamic terrorists group that it is today. Israel "supported" by getting its own agents into the group. So if you think thats hard support, go for it.
IIRC, even when it was started it opposed Israel and seeked its destruction without actually doing anything violent at first.


Oh, and I liked how you referred to that National Post article. Don't you have your own equivelent, the National Enquirer
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If you have a probelm with the National Post, email them and say their story is false.
 
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B-B-Bomba!

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US 'security policy' is a morally contemptible front for a system of racism, xenophobia and torture. Does that have anything to do with Cat Stevens? No! Hahahaha.
 
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