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Celebrity Death Thread
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StabbyStabStabStabStab
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I don't think people will be offended nor think you're evil - everyone's entitled to an opinion of course and we respect that. I think you're coming at it at a sightly different angle insomuch you're assuming people who commit suicide are still of sound mind, and they still retain that Eros instinct, that innate drive to survive no matter what. If that's the case I can see your point, committing suicide knowing the impact it would have on others can be perceived as selfish - fair enough.
Depression however can be a form of psychosis, so those things you think you'll retain are gone, and what you once interpreted as a smile has become a look of distain. One of the defining things about a psychosis is the person experiencing it won't know they're in it, its just their reality. So judging their actions based on our reality and what we see/feel etc. is this misstep that people tend to make that leads to accusation of selfishness.
Now this isn't always the case of course - people commit suicide for a variety of reasons, people who commit suicide rather than face the music for their crimes for e.g. I'm however talking about how people fall through the cracks of society and end up in the above situation (which is why over the last few years we've had a few 'look out for each other / don't be afraid to talk' type of campaigns as preventative measures).
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
Yeah I suppose this could be. Hard to say when you never experienced it.
Hrk69
Member
I see you’re trying to be edgy, too bad you just come off as pathetic.
It's incredible how someone can go from irrelevant to revolting in one post.
rm082e
Member
That's what makes it a mental illness: When suicidal thoughts creep in, you are unable to feel/empathize with how it will hurt people around you. In fact, that gets reversed - you start to feel like your friends, family, coworkers, children, spouse, etc. would all be better off and even relieved/happy that you're no longer around. Your mind creates fake scenarios and conversations and feelings in other people that don't exist, but you're sure they're real because you feel it in your heart. It can be a very convincing feeling.
Saying people are "weak" and talking down to them does absolutely no good. For someone on the edge, it's just more justification for why they should remove themselves from the equation.
I had some depression creep in a few years ago. I was never suicidal, but I did start to have those feelings of "My family would be better off if I left and just isolated myself from them." That started to trend towards "What is even the point of continuing on?". I was able to step outside of myself enough to realize I needed some outside help. But before I did, I feel like I got a peek behind the curtain at what people with much worse depression and much stronger suicidal thoughts experience. It was eye-opening and scary.
Jaybe
Member
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
I already said people are free to call me a dick in a lower post. It's fine. I understand both points of views. Assuming its not drug related or psychosis, if he had the will/conscience to throw himself out, he also had the will to stop.
Either way may he RIP.
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rm082e
Member
I don't think you're a dick, and I wasn't offended or anything. You're also not wrong. It's more a matter of understanding. I just wanted to share my experience to provide perspective.
Before I went through my dark period a few years ago, my entire lived experience was so positive and forward leaning, I couldn't understand how anyone could reach the point of suicide. It was a learning experience for me. I can imagine if you haven't had that experience, it's hard to wrap your mind around.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
In 2019 I was suffering from chronic depression. I had a mental breakdown and was completely detected from reality.
I can't pinpoint what the trigger was. Probably a combination of work stress, relationship issues and emotional trauma from my childhood that I never dealt with. Regardless, it almost caused me to take my own life.
I was so close. I thought about the people who would be hurt, especially my son, but it didn't take the urge to end my suffering. I honestly felt like it was the only escape.
Obviously I didn't do it. What stopped me was a flash of a rational thought telling myself this isn't normal behavior and I only feel like I want to kill myself because I'm sick and need help. Luckily I got the help and I'm not stronger than ever, but it could have easily have been so different.
It's hard to explain to people who've never experienced real depression what the feeling is like. It's certainly not a weakness. It's a mental health issue that requires emergency medical assistance.
The problem is that there is still a lot of people who don't want to talk about their mental health issues because they're scared of being judged and called weak. That's when they feel the only way out is to end their life. People need to be more supportive and open about mental health instead of hand waving it away as a weakness.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
I never dismissed it as a mental health issue. It's true for both, including the weakness part. At least thats how I see it. :\
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I understand why people see it as a weakness if they've never experienced it before.
I'm sure you'll agree that depression is a serious mental health condition, therfore not a sign of weakness. People struggling with depression often experience intense feelings of sadness, hopelessness, and worthlessness that can make it incredibly difficult to cope. They're not in full control and most of the time completely detached from reality.
My personal problem with labeling suicide a weakness is that it can further isolate and hurt those who are already struggling with mental health issues or grieving the loss of someone to suicide.
This isn't aimed at you, but most people who believe suicide is a weakness are men. Unsurprisingly, men suffer more with mental health issues than women and men are far more likely to take their life, purely because they feel they can't get help without being judged as weak.
All men need to do better in helping out their brothers.
Monkfish877
Member
I just saw on the news Liam Payne from one direction died, fell off a balcony in Argentina, apparently he was on drugs and alcohol, that's a recipe for disaster, sad as hell.
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INC
Member
I find it pretty weird that before this happened, we'd heard nothing about him for ages if not years, and literally days before he was on the news for leaning over a balcony being odd to fans. So he goes from being pretty much irrelevant and having 2 news stories about him and balconies
Kinda of ironic now when think about it
Kinda of ironic now when think about it
Suicidal thoughts are thoughts of irrational thinking normally through mental illness or drug induced. It isn't a case of having the ability to stop oneself or even recognize there are other paths. It most cases it is the only path someone sees because everything else is failure.
It is kind of like telling a depressed person, just stop being depressed. They don't have the option to just stop. With depression, there is no joy in anything, at all. Some people may not realize they are in a state of depression because there are highs and lows but it is when the lows get lower and the highs not so high anymore that things become an issue. There are signs (mostly revolving around self care and attitude) when others need to advocate for the individual.
I knew someone who committed suicide because of the medication they were on messed with their mind and they did not like being on it. Instead of consulting with a therapist to adjust meds, it was I hate this medication and killed themself.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
Depression in itself of course not. Especially nowadays.
On this we can agree. Most men are told to just go to the gym to fix their depression while women get crazy amounts of care.
Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
You are not a dick/evil for having those opinions. I did interpret your comments as coming from someone who has lived a very sheltered and provided for life.
Doesn't mean I am right and I am not dismissing/invalidating your opinion, again just my interpretation.
FullMetalx117
Member
RIP Liam Payne so young
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
If you mean rich, nope. Im actually "poor" as shit and live with my parents at 36. I pay for most stuff in the house with my own job, been doing it for more than 10 years. Had to quit college because I needed a job to help my parents. In a way, I do have a house over my head and food and can buy games and what I want, but I wouldnt say my life is fully happy but not bad either. Certainly not depressive, at least from my point of view. Others would consider it depressive tho. I do have a very thick skin, im eastern european after all, I take no shit and give no shit either, very severe kinda guy and I do workout a bit as well because it does in fact help mentally, not just escaping reality with gaming. So thats why it's a bit hard for me to accept suicide. Even at my worst I'd rather just keep going mentally. Depression is a form of giving up mentally in my eyes. Killing yourself is even worse. I dont even wanna go into drugs territory. Theres a great Korean show I recommend watching on this matter as a bit of offtopic.
Death's Game
After struggling for seven years without securing a stable job, Choi Yi Jae becomes engulfed in despair and hopelessness. Believing that ending his life...
mydramalist.com
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Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
Everyone has different definitions of rich. You have parents that you live with, have a job that lets you support all three, have leisure time to enjoy gaming and a heavy rotation at the gym...all while enjoying enough foreign films to be able to pull one out to address a topic in this thread.If you mean rich, nope. Im actually "poor" as shit and live with my parents at 36. I pay for most stuff in the house with my own job, been doing it for more than 10 years. Had to quit college because I needed a job to help my parents. In a way, I do have a house over my head and food and can buy games and what I want, but I wouldnt say my life is fully happy but not bad either. Certainly not depressive, at least from my point of view. Others would consider it depressive tho. I do have a very thick skin, im eastern european after all, I take no shit and give no shit either, very severe kinda guy and I do workout a bit as well because it does in fact help mentally, not just escaping reality with gaming. So thats why it's a bit hard for me to accept suicide. Even at my worst I'd rather just keep going mentally. Depression is a form of giving up mentally in my eyes. Killing yourself is even worse. I dont even wanna go into drugs territory. Theres a great Korean show I recommend watching on this matter as a bit of offtopic.
Death's Game
After struggling for seven years without securing a stable job, Choi Yi Jae becomes engulfed in despair and hopelessness. Believing that ending his life...
While I am poking fun a little (the foreign film comment) it sounds like you are quite wealthy...maybe not in money judging from your comments, but certainly in the other areas of your life you are doing far better than most. Good for you man, enjoy it and I hope you always have those things (or fond memories as you and your parents get older).
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
Certainly not on money. My dad has a decent pension as an ex-military and I dont think he has many years to live and without him or in a more mean way, without his pension, I dont think I can afford to support my mom and myself or worse case scenario myself only. Dunno. I am expecting the worst at any moment. I dont actually enjoy living with them, its pretty bad, I cant have my own private life and I am missing out on other things, nor can I afford to buy my own place and just leave them be. It may sound good on paper, but reality is different, but yes, others have it far worse and I cant complain as I can keep doing what I love, playing games and other things
Thank you tho, hope you have a good life as well.
mansoor1980
Member
gar3
Member
Teri Garr just died:
www.cnn.com
Teri Garr, star of ‘Young Frankenstein’ and ‘Tootsie,’ dead at 79 | CNN
Teri Garr, an Oscar-nominated actress known for her work in films like “Young Frankenstein,” “Tootsie” and “Mr. Mom,” has died, according to her manager.
www.cnn.com
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Loved her in Mr Mom. Sad to hear.
Damn, time to review his, uh, filmography. Damned LEGEND back in the day! RIP and may all the angels suffer
Damn. My fav of hersTeri Garr just died:
Teri Garr, star of ‘Young Frankenstein’ and ‘Tootsie,’ dead at 79 | CNN
Teri Garr, an Oscar-nominated actress known for her work in films like “Young Frankenstein,” “Tootsie” and “Mr. Mom,” has died, according to her manager.
SirTerry-T
Member
Quincy Jones dead at 91
Quincy Jones, producer of Michael Jackson and Frank Sinatra, dies aged 91
Jones was best known as the producer of three Michael Jackson albums - Off the Wall, Thriller and Bad.
www.bbc.co.uk
Fucking Awefull News.
Loved his directed films aswell. So Close and DOA. Both Fun and Sleazy. Sucks he only directed two.
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kruis
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Quincy Jones dead at 91
Quincy Jones, producer of Michael Jackson and Frank Sinatra, dies aged 91
Jones was best known as the producer of three Michael Jackson albums - Off the Wall, Thriller and Bad.www.bbc.co.uk
Ooh ... that's a big loss to the music world. The man is ... was a legend ... RIP
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Quincy innovated the music industry by bringing in acts that changed music many times over!
Such a loss!
Such a loss!
Forsythia
Member
Tony Todd was great. I remember the first time I saw him in Tom Savini's remake of NotLD when I first started to get into horror. Then I started noticing him in other stuff. Great performance as an old Jake Sisko in DS9. Candyman of course, and his part in the Final Destination movies. Man, I'm gonna miss him.
Big Baller
Al Pachinko, Konami President
RIP.
Soltype
Member
Most people probably won't know her unless they're into Japanese stuff, but Miho Nakayama died. Her work is what got me into Japanese media, sad to see her go so young.
www.bbc.com
Miho Nakayama: J-pop star and actress found dead at 54
Nakayama, best known for her role in the 1995 film Love Letter, was found dead in a bathtub at home.
www.bbc.com
I guess this one is showing my age. Thom Christopher died. He played Hawk on the Buck Rogers tv show from the late 70's early 80's. I'm assuming Bird Person from Rick and Morty is based on that character.
Soltype
Member
I knew him from OLTL, I think he won an Emmy for it. He was a great actor.