bender
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He talks about wanting to move his family to another country out of fear, so the anger felt appropriate. He still expertly slices in humor like turning down the LAPD escort because, "he like me".
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Chappelle drops "8:46" mini special.
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He talks about wanting to move his family to another country out of fear, so the anger felt appropriate. He still expertly slices in humor like turning down the LAPD escort because, "he like me".
-Arcadia-
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Candace's response isn't good, imo.
You can respect people having their own opinions, and not be a cancel culture idiot, while not offering a completely weak response like that.
It wasn't a comedy routine, from what I understand. He straight up insulted her, and she's responding by conservative virtue signalling about not trying to get him cancelled.
She should defend herself and address the points he made. That isn't cancel culture or getting triggered. It's a logical, interesting (for an audience) counter-perspective.
You can respect people having their own opinions, and not be a cancel culture idiot, while not offering a completely weak response like that.
It wasn't a comedy routine, from what I understand. He straight up insulted her, and she's responding by conservative virtue signalling about not trying to get him cancelled.
She should defend herself and address the points he made. That isn't cancel culture or getting triggered. It's a logical, interesting (for an audience) counter-perspective.
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Rentahamster
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Did you watch it:?
haxan7
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I don’t disagree but I think she’s taking Chapelle’s popularity into account. Don’t forget how harshly he’s criticized wokeness before. She wants his audience and she’s smart enough not to alienate them.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Yup.
bender
What time is it?
He basically insinuated she sold out the black community for fame, power and money and her tweet reaffirms that insinuation. That's my read on it anyway.
-Arcadia-
Banned
Got my fill of IDPOL Dave two specials back. I don't care for 9 minutes more.
That's not what I said, and he wasn't silent about anything...
He was clearly distraught mentioning George Floyd compared to innocent policers that were murdered. Maybe he does care just as much, but that's not the impression I got
I've already watched the special, otherwise I wouldn't be commenting about it. I've already read her response, she came off reasonable and not offended at all.
Not sure how that constitutes being an "articulate idiot"
Also how are she & Dave Rubin "grifters"? Because they allowed their previously held world views to be challenge through discourse?
You just labeling them, but what evidence do you have?
-Arcadia-
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Maybe, but nobody respects a person that doesn't respect themselves.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
To be fair, that means you're relying on a third party to provide you with an opinion rather than generating one yourself via consuming first party sources. This is the same kind of thing that liberals do too often to conservative video clips.
He didn't also reference the officers directly in the title. That kind of silence. A perception that not talking about X in a particular way automatically infers a particular point of view. The same train of thought he was making fun of in the intro.
-Arcadia-
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And that's why I qualified the statement, ham ham. Anyone is free to see that and interject to the contrary.
I have no desire to listen to more of this for ten minutes to 'make sure'.
If the statement of Chapelle insulting Candace is wrong, I'll surely be corrected.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Yes, I understand the qualification. I'm just saying that cutting yourself off from first party sources and relying on others for your opinions is not a good first instinct. For many, the end of that road is group think.
He totally insulted her. A lot.
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bender
What time is it?
See my previous post re: Candice.
As for Dave, I've followed his career long enough and listened to him long enough (before and after his ideological change) that it's hard to fathom he has courage of his convictions especially with how often he comes off as mis- or under-informed and that's on both sides of the ideological spectrum he's pandered to. But again, respect the hustle.
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-Arcadia-
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The point though, is that I don't really care. Lol.
If Trump or Pelosi says something, then I want the first hand info.
A spat between a comedian and a Twitter personality? I doubt I will remember it in a week. It's not that important to require first hand documentation. I'm remarking on the situation as it was presented to me, by people I trust, about a guy I've been a fan of for twenty years, and understand extremely, and still qualified the statement. It's qualified in my mind too, if we need to go there.
You're talking to the wrong person, if you want to criticize damnation without first hand evidence.
I think she's making reference to how people online tend to want to cancel comedians whenever they make a joke about someone or a taboo subject.
Since people online have continually tried to cancel her. Her recent Gofundme campaign helping a cafe rebuild and to get back in business was terminated by on bullshit grounds of violating their TOS for supporting "intolerance." It's not about Dave, but her way of saying she has tough skin.
Noooo, that's not what I am saying at all. You're saying that.
I've made my point pretty clearly, not sure how you're misconstruing that.
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Pumpkin Seeds
Member
I've already seen some of it from people who were pearl clutching at the last special.
He didn't really make points to address. Just insulted her. She's just going "not mad".
Which is fine, because a Candace/Chappelle war would be an incredibly stupid waste of time.
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Revolutionary
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Not feeling it. Chappelle calls it unrefined but I think unrefined is an understatement.
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Don't see how that make either of them grifters. How is being under-informed make you a grifter, that's ridiculous.
Just sounds like you don't agree with them.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I'm going off what you said.
Disproportionate attention in the title.
Not enough distraught given to the police officers proportionally.
That these indicate a lesser level of concern for police officers. I get what you're saying that it can be perceived that way, especially as snippets taken away from the context of the entire piece. What I'm asking is if that's a fair judgement and does that invalidate his overarching message or the legitimacy of it?
-Arcadia-
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He likely has a lot of emotion to vent.
I really hope someone (sigh) 'red pills' him the rest of the way someday, but for now, it is what it is. I at least respect the constant raw honesty. Dave shills for nobody, and always speaks his mind.
Men_in_Boxes
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I hear you, but "Dave Chappelle" and "mini special" are two phrases a TON of people STRONGLY associate with stand up comedy. Then when you see Dave Chappelle walk around with a microphone and stool on a stage like setup, most people think "Oh he's going to be funny for 8 minutes".
Nothing against Dave. I still love his comedy, but this doesn't have any interest to me.
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bender
What time is it?
Path of least resistance to give you the most reach to get that paper. There are plenty of people I don't agree with that I respect their position (being well informed is a good base to earn that respect) but Dave Rubin definitely doesn't fit in that category. My exposure to Candice is far more limited. Maybe I spoke out of turn on her.
Maybe my brain is broken but the first thing I checked was the youtube runtime and then everything came into focus. I'm pretty backwards though. Thanks dyslexia!
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Rentahamster
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Of course. There are muuuuuch worse offenders of this. I get it. I don't have all the time or energy in the world to listen to everything first hand either and also occasionally rely on third party analysis. But the fact that worse offenders exist doesn't really matter to me as much. I'd rather have these kinds of conversations with friends than with them.
I'm fully aware of what I typed 2 hours ago lol
You used the terms I didn't use such as "silence is compliance" , which is an entirely different thing. I was pretty clear in my initial post.
His rant was heavily racial in tone. I don't believe Chappelle is being entirely honest if he thinks police brutality is a primary issue affecting black Americans to the degree he makes it out to be in his rant.
Whether or not there's an extended special, I'm commenting on what he expressed within that segment at least.
You think being a conservative, let alone a gay or black conservative, is the path of least resistance? I strongly disagree, especially within this current political and cultural landscape.
I think Dave Rubin is well informed, and that stems from his willingness to actually sit down and have civil discourse with people of different backgrounds and political leanings.
An approach that I very much prefer to see more of and see as a productive means to reaching understanding within society.
bender
What time is it?
It depends what type of audience you are trying to garner. Dave's pandered to both progressives and conservatives so he knows where his bread is buttered. And having a diverse spectrum of ideologies on his shows is admirable and something I wish more would do. My problem with him is in his research or lack thereof. It's hard to believe in someone's convictions when they have difficulty expressing why they believe what they believe or grasping simple concepts.
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Men_in_Boxes
Banned
Lol, I never said that!
"It's okay when we do it"
bender
What time is it?
My bad, fixed!
Ememee
Member
I mean, she should at the least address if her genitalia stinks or not.
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bender
What time is it?
Now that would have been funny.
bender
What time is it?
I'd say that's a tad hard but to be expected I think. Part of comedy is gigging and working out and refining your material. COVID has hampered the sharpening of material.
Fair enough, you have your criticisms of him. He's been made fun of before for not being critical enough of the guests on his show, which is understandable. Although I wouldn't consider what he does as pandering.
I think the approach of speaking with people you may disagree with or not fully understand is one of the best ways of having your worldview or convictions tested.
It prompts you to do research to become better informed about why you believe whatever it is you believe. The worst thing is to be stuck in idealogical bubble.That just leads to having a distorted view of reality, whether left or right.
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It's ok when it's being done to a cunt. I'd like to think we can call spades a spade.
Tesseract
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that's just another way of saying it's okay when we do it
-Arcadia-
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The problem is that you guys really suck at identifying spades, with an entirely inaccurate, manufactured worldview, so this contextual approach to morality always backfires on you.
You need to be 100% sure before you pull the immoral act trigger on someone.
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Stouffers
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I didn’t know thatHe did win the Mark Twain prize.
Dave Chappelle wins the 2019 Mark Twain Prize
https://www.kennedy-center.org/pages/specialevents/marktwain An outstanding lineup of entertainers gathered in the Kennedy Center Concert Hall to salute Dave Chappelle, recipient of the 22nd annual Mark Twain Prize for American Humor on October 27, 2019. The Prize, which is named to honor one...www.neogaf.com
Unfortunately, the PBS video is no longer available.
Nah, she's objectively a cunt
Tesseract
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care to expand?Nah, she's objectively a cunt
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Lewd
Halo is Back
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I don't like her but credit where credit is due.
Scotty W
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Now this is interesting. Virtue signaling vs virtue.
I would think that t taking revenge when someone insults you in order to bring them into a discussion is an actual Virtue- rather than just a symbol- whether the right or the left does it.
HighResTomato
Member
No it’s not.
He’s just being more blunt with it because the majority of his audience is fucking stupid.
Taking his “black jokes” as just that and not social commentary. Carlin ain’t fit the shine Chappelles boots.
King of Foxes
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You shut your whore mouth. You are not fit to even type Mr Carlin's name.
Super Mario
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I love Dave's work. This here, is cringe-worthy, lowest common denominator, garbage. Saying the black woman who constantly challenges blacks has a stanky pussy is one of the most cringe-worthy things I have ever seen . I would have rather seen a funny uncle Tom joke.
Anytime Michael Brown is mentioned, it is clear that anyone talking about it or agreeing with it doesn't care about any logic at this point. It's only agenda. Who can say the names of those 13 officers gunned down in racial hate? The best he could say is he understood why it happened. Very shameful Dave.
Anytime Michael Brown is mentioned, it is clear that anyone talking about it or agreeing with it doesn't care about any logic at this point. It's only agenda. Who can say the names of those 13 officers gunned down in racial hate? The best he could say is he understood why it happened. Very shameful Dave.